Microgard @ approximately 7000 miles

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Not a Fram fan but they came with the $10 PEAK oil deal so I will for sure use them. I was actually very impressed with the construction of this filter. The media was glued exceptionally well and it was very hard to remove from the fiber end caps. Media looks dry because it sat in the garage for a week after I pulled it apart.

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The OCOD is far from the best filter but it is good for basic oil changes, not extended ones. The only filters that really scare me are E-Cores, and I hope that economics does not make E-Cores more common.
 
I know. I am always scared of MIcroguard, Fram Orange Can, and Nissan OEM (they have cardboard caps).

However, when you actually look at one like this used, it doesn't look too bad!

We should sometimes change our philosophy I guess when evidence shows a different result.
 
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Yes, when used for a reasonable OCI the Fram elements really don't seem too bad at all. The recent posts that show some lacking quality control aren't very favorable but that does happen. If it isn't the norm then it really isn't a huge deal, we see issues from a lot of manufacturers.

Thanx for posting!
 
I forgot to add that this is the Microgard MGL6607 used on my 1997 Subaru.

I agree with most of the folks here. I will not buy a FRAM filter but I'll use them in a situation like the free filter deal. Nothing against FRAM, I just think there are better filters for the price. Overall though, I was pleasantly surprised by the way it held up for 7K.
 
I've seen so many good pics like this I'm beginning to believe many of the orange can horror pics are of filters pushed way beyond reasonable limits. For reasonable OCI's they seem just fine.
 
Originally Posted By: KevGuy
Nothing wrong with FRAM.


What are you, a parrot or a high functioning autistic? That is about all you say.
 
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I've seen so many good pics like this I'm beginning to believe many of the orange can horror pics are of filters pushed way beyond reasonable limits. For reasonable OCI's they seem just fine.


As humans, we tend to focus on the negative. Get 1 bad orange can filter and the Internet is plastered with "FRAM is junk." As soon as a good result from the orange can is posted, it gets a few " so-so" comments and then dies away quickly.
 
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Just a broken record ...


DON'T FEED THE TROLL!


I think you are an Internet bully. You should be careful as these kind are being cracked down on.
 
Originally Posted By: KevGuy
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Just a broken record ...


DON'T FEED THE TROLL!


I think you are an Internet bully. You should be careful as these kind are being cracked down on.


And I think you are a shill for Fram. Either way you are not doing anything to enhance their reputation.
 
Originally Posted By: KevGuy
As soon as a good result from the orange can is posted, it gets a few " so-so" comments and then dies away quickly.


That may be true, but in a lot of ways, Fram has only itself to blame for this. They've made that particular product low hanging fruit, and it gets targeted accordingly.

Few people here complain about Fram air filters. Fewer still complain about the top end Fram oil filters. In my view, it's because those two examples are what the Fram orange can should be. The first two products I mentioned are priced very well and have good quality. The orange can is overpriced for what you get. When I can get a Wix or Hastings substantially cheaper than an orange can for my F-150, or the Motorcraft FL-1A for the same price as the orange can, you should not be surprised when I don't buy the orange can.

On the other hand, when I get air filters for my G and I find the Frams at half the price of the Wix, with better build quality to boot, one shouldn't be surprised that I choose Fram. Nor should one ignore the Fram Synthetic oil filter when, at least up here, it's significantly cheaper than the K&N or M1.

Perhaps you're too young to remember when Walmart Canada used to sell AC Delco oil filters alongside the Frams. The AC ones were cheaper, and you can guess which ones I chose.
 
Originally Posted By: KevGuy
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I've seen so many good pics like this I'm beginning to believe many of the orange can horror pics are of filters pushed way beyond reasonable limits. For reasonable OCI's they seem just fine.


As humans, we tend to focus on the negative. Get 1 bad orange can filter and the Internet is plastered with "FRAM is junk." As soon as a good result from the orange can is posted, it gets a few " so-so" comments and then dies away quickly.


I think it's more than "1 bad orange filter". Reputations exist for a reason.

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: KevGuy
As soon as a good result from the orange can is posted, it gets a few " so-so" comments and then dies away quickly.


That may be true, but in a lot of ways, Fram has only itself to blame for this. They've made that particular product low hanging fruit, and it gets targeted accordingly.


Exactly ... lots of people are very technical and not dummies. They call it like they see it, which is the reality of product evaluation by the masses that use them.

Every filter has an issue now and then ... I had a Purolator Classic that had torn media. But for FRAM to get the reputation it has (especially their low tier orange cans), it took many instances of the users' bad experience to end up where it has.
 
Hard to argue this Z06 but I do think it is a bit over exaggerated here. Likely made worse by the fact that they have a different construction. Lots of people are very technical and not dummies but a lot also do not like change or things that are different.

Let me also add that in IMO, some members take the wrong approach in combating the bias here.
 
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