Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly

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Originally Posted By: DanMiller
I talked to Petro Canada and they produce and bottle the Mazda 0w20 Oil for Mazda Canada and it has the same specs as the PC
0W20 so the link

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?63516-mazda-s-0w20

Entry #15 is Wrong. It still isn't a bad deal but just not as good as the US Version.


Who did you talk to at Petro-Canada? It's sent to the Clarkson refinery along with Honda/Acura motor oil from Idemitsu in Indiana to be bottled by Petro Canada. Petro-Canada (now a Suncor Energy business) is nothing more than a intermediary distributor for the respective dealer networks. Nonetheless, on the retail and end-user side, it is marketed and sold by Petro-Canada and therefore can lead to the assumption that it is Petro-Canada that makes it (my local mazda dealer parts manager believed this as well).

Regardless, from what I have read in this thread, it is evident that the Idemitsu supplies two different types of 0W20 to Canada and the US respectively.
 
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Can't edit, but I wanted to add that as recent as a few months ago (last year), I paid approximately $5 tax in/qt at Mazda of Toronto with a club discount. The cost of Petro-Canada 0W20 is significantly more per/qt even with employee discount.
 
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Originally Posted By: zzz3
Originally Posted By: DanMiller
I talked to Petro Canada and they produce and bottle the Mazda 0w20 Oil for Mazda Canada and it has the same specs as the PC
0W20 so the link

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?63516-mazda-s-0w20

Entry #15 is Wrong. It still isn't a bad deal but just not as good as the US Version.


Who did you talk to at Petro-Canada? It's sent to the Clarkson refinery along with Honda/Acura motor oil from Idemitsu in Indiana to be bottled by Petro Canada. Petro-Canada (now a Suncor Energy business) is nothing more than a intermediary distributor for the respective dealer networks. Nonetheless, on the retail and end-user side, it is marketed and sold by Petro-Canada and therefore can lead to the assumption that it is Petro-Canada that makes it (my local mazda dealer parts manager believed this as well).

Regardless, from what I have read in this thread, it is evident that the Idemitsu supplies two different types of 0W20 to Canada and the US respectively.

Not true.
The Idemitsu made Honda/Acura Canada 0W-20 is bottled by Idemitsu in the States.
The Mazda Canada 0W-20 is made and bottled for them by Petro-Canada and is the same as PC's own 168 VI low moly 0W-20.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Thanks for letting us know.

Yes that translates into a 225 VI which compares favourably with the Toyota 0W-20 (KV40 37.39cSt, 216 VI) and is an improvement on the SM GF-4 Idemitsu high moly oil with it's VI of "only" 197. I've used both oils and the SM Idemitsu oil is much heavier on start-up to the Toyota product.
Hopefully all the current users of the Idemitsu 0W-20; namely, Subaru, Mitsubushi and Honda/Acura Canada will start getting the new SN high moly, high VI oil.

The other NA high VI 0W-20's are SynGard (VI 220) and the lightest 0W-20, Sustina (KV40 32.69cSt, VI 229).
It should be noted that it's great to have a high virgin VI but what counts is how much of that high VI is retained in service.
The VIs of the Toyota and Idemitsu oils do drop about 10% in service. The premium priced Sustina does not.


Idemitsu now has a SN GF-5. Is this the same as the Mazda GF-5 product? It would be strange if it wasn't.
 
Idemitsu has had a SN GF-5 0W-20 that Subaru uses going back two or three year. It only has a 169 VI and little moly.
The Mazda high VI, high moly 0W-20 is Idemitsu's most recent 0W-20 formulation. As far as I know only Mazda USA is using it at present. Idemitsu does supply other companies such as Mitsubishi. It's been over a year since I checked but they were still using the SM GF-4 197 VI high moly 0W-20 that Honda/Acura Canada is still using.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Idemitsu has had a SN GF-5 0W-20 that Subaru uses going back two or three year. It only has a 169 VI and little moly.
The Mazda high VI, high moly 0W-20 is Idemitsu's most recent 0W-20 formulation. As far as I know only Mazda USA is using it at present. Idemitsu does supply other companies such as Mitsubishi. It's been over a year since I checked but they were still using the SM GF-4 197 VI high moly 0W-20 that Honda/Acura Canada is still using.


Too bad the Idemitsu product is so different, It's a lot cheaper the the dealer price of almost $10 for the Mazda oil. I just bought a Mazda6 and was annoyed to find that Mazda calls for an oil change at 7500 miles or 6 months, whichever comes first, if you stretch it, they can deny warranty claims. Since I retired, I drive a max of 4,000 miles per year so this means changing the oil every 2,000 miles or less (and also having to dispose of twice as much oil as I used to). With the mileage I go, maybe I can get away with the Idemitsu GF-5. It's got to be better than the bulk Peak stuff the dealer uses. You'd think that the Mazda dealers would use the Mazda oil in the service department, but they don't. Is there another reasonably priced alternative for me?
 
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olc I agree with you that a 6 month OCI with only 2,000 miles on the oil is a ridiculously short OCI and a waste of oil.

It is nice to use a highly advanced lubricant like the Mazda 0W-20 but I wouldn't pay $10/qt for it. Shop around like Mark_Wall suggests. You could also consider the Toyota 0W-20 which has a similar high VI formulation and it is cheaper than the Mazda oil.

Regarding your warranty, it really depends on how literally you want to take it. The technical reason for the 6 months time period is to deal with very short trips in a cold winter climate where the oil does not get up to temperature burn/evaporate off condensation and fuel that contaminates the oil.
Since you live in a mild climate oil degradation due to short trips it's less of an issue. You haven't said but if you do routinely get you oil up to temperature then mileage not time is the important criterion in setting an OCI.

7,500 miles is also part of the recommended OCI so you could go for an annual OCI and 4,000 miles. You'd be well within the mileage limit. While I'm sure your oil will still be serviceable at 4,000 miles you could have a UOA done to confirm it. The UOA would also be proof that the oil was still good for the why you drive should the issue ever come up in the very unlikely event of an oil related engine warranty claim.
 
Originally Posted By: Mark_Walk
Shop around...I can get the Mazda oil from local dealer for $7/qt.


The Idemitsu GF-5 is about $5 if you shop. What is annoying is Mazda's insistence that I change oil every 6 months, when I never get to even 2,000 miles. So more expensive oil and having to waste time taking the car in for the change is a hassle. I'm too old to change my oil like I used to.

They cannot give me a reason why this makes any sense. I have been changing oil once a year(synthetic) since synthetics first appeared, on any number of cars.
 
Mazda (or rather you Mazda dealer) is not "insisting" that you change the oil at 6 months, they are recommending.
It's your car (assuming it's not leased) and you can change the oil whenever you want.
On BITOG we run across this type of oil use issue all the time with many manufacturers. It really comes down to common sense.
If you're still uncomfortable exceeding the 6 month time period then use the cheapest 0W-20 oil you can find; every oil company makes the grade now so there is plenty of choice.
 
Originally Posted By: olc
You'd think that the Mazda dealers would use the Mazda oil in the service department, but they don't.


Yes, one would logically think that, but 9 out of 10 mazda dealers I call about this oil say that they just use M1 0W-20 in bulk, even for the skyactiv engine cars for which this stuff was developed/produced. Go figure.
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Some do not even know what I am asking for, even when I give them the actual Mazda part number for a quart.
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Mazda 0-20 can be bought online for 6.29usd

http://www.partsvp.com/products/GF%252d5-0W20-W%7B47%7DMOLY-%28QR-%28Mazda-%252d-0000%252dG5%252d0W20%252dMQ%29.html
 
Originally Posted By: M6ser
Mazda 0-20 can be bought online for 6.29usd

http://www.partsvp.com/products/GF%252d5-0W20-W%7B47%7DMOLY-%28QR-%28Mazda-%252d-0000%252dG5%252d0W20%252dMQ%29.html



Their shipping is pretty expensive and adds a couple bucks to the price of each quart. My local dealer quoted me $6.36 per quart, or $6 per quart if I buy a case.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: pscholte
Just came across this; if Mazda has its own proprietary oil what is the deal with this? The first link is a Mazda Utah Website and the second is a link from that website.Mazda Recommends Castrol http://www.driveamazda.com/MusaWeb/pdf/parts_service/castrol_products.pdf

What's the date of that link?
There is nothing newer than SM oils.


I will try to find out. I ran across it doing a search for Mazda dealerships. I will see what I can find out.
 
Found a Mazda Twin Cities website with the same info but could find no dates. SO, either it is old info and the partnership turned out to be "tactical" rather than "strategic," or there is a secret we don't know OR the most likely, I have been hacked by the Elves. I tried to explain my shift because das Grun is almost gone but they are not good listeners. Sorry I could not deliver on a date. Any Mazda owners taking in you car for service and getting Castrol fluids?
 
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caterham , would PP 0-20 be a nice (thin) alternative to Mazda's super FE 0-20 formula ?
What would be most FE synthetic 0-20 on the market at this time ?
 
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