Maintaining batteries in winter

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I have two car batteries and a lawn tractor battery that don't get used in the winter, and I've decided I need to be a little more proactive in terms of ensuring they have reasonably long lives. I know the CTEK trickle charger/float charger/battery maintainer/battery tender is popular on here, but Pep Boys has the Battery Tender Jr. on sale for $30; is a CTEK 3300 really $45 better? For that matter, is the Battery Tender Jr. $20 better than a Harbor Freight unit? They're all made in China
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IMO, it depends on how proactive you actually want to be, as well as the age of the batteries. I know the Batteryminder (which I own) purports to desulphate batteries, but, simply trickle charging each battery once/month (or every couple of weeks if you'd like) overnight will be good enough to keep up with any self-discharge, and keep the batteries where they like to be, topped off.

Are these batteries (besides for the tractor) installed in anything that has gizmos that might drain the battery, such as an alarm system. The more self-sustaining draw, the more often I'd run the trickle-charger. Anything more on battery that has no draw, such as a disconnected batter, is a waste, IMO.
 
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stick with the CTEK. I have a season car which I store in the winter and I've always used my CTEK 3300 on it during the winter with great results.
 
I have battery tenders and minders and other such devices. $45 better? Doubtful...

Get the tender and save the money. They all do roughly the same charging scheme.
 
The better tenders can solve some minor issues, have a stronger output, and less ripple -- if you want/need those features.

If a battery is staying connected to a newer computer-laden vehicle, I am much less comfortable with a $20 tender. I can buy a dozen new batteries and chargers for the price of a fried upper body controller or ECM. I also put the tender on a good TVS (transient protector) for the same reason.

But if it's out of a vehicle in good shape just needing to get through winter, or on something like a lawn tractor, no way you need a Ctek. The $20 Tender, Jr. is fine there.
 
Originally Posted By: Donald
The Battery Minder is a float charger with a desulfation cycle. That is what i would get (and I have one).


I have four of these and they work great with my classic cars...
 
Originally Posted By: Volvohead
The better tenders can solve some minor issues, have a stronger output, and less ripple -- if you want/need those features.

If a battery is staying connected to a newer computer-laden vehicle, I am much less comfortable with a $20 tender. I can buy a dozen new batteries and chargers for the price of a fried upper body controller or ECM. I also put the tender on a good TVS (transient protector) for the same reason.

But if it's out of a vehicle in good shape just needing to get through winter, or on something like a lawn tractor, no way you need a Ctek. The $20 Tender, Jr. is fine there.


I am going to use the CTEK 3300 on the new battery. Decided I will probably sell the Samsung Galaxy SIII I bought
 
I just use the 2 amp setting on my Diehard battery charger/car starter every once in awhile. Seems to work great. My lawn tractor battery is 6.5 years old, and has been brought back from the dead once since my dad left the ignition and lights on. Its still going strong.
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I was planning on disconnecting the car batteries, even though they're not in computer-packed vehicles. My Nova has no computers, but it has old wiring that has been hacked on by POs, and my sister's 1995 Z28 does have a computer, but she doesn't mind resetting her radio presets in the spring. The lawnmower has a digital hour meter, and I don't know what would happen to that if I left the battery disconnected for an extended period of time.

Sounds like the CTEK would be overkill for my purpose, as I rather suspected.
 
I have been thinking of doing something like this for my fleet as well. I plan to park the 1975 BMW this winter, and I also have a lawn tractor and a Ford 8N tractor. That real tractor has a 6V battery. Is there a trickle charge solution for that, 6V?

The 6V battery gets infrequent use. It plows the (big) garden in the spring and the fall, and gets used when I need to plow snow in the winter.

Back on the trickle charge, I already have a newer battery charger with a 2A mode, digital display, and it will shut off automatically when the battery is at "100%". Is there any benefit to a separate battery tender, or whatever?

Thanks for any responses.
 
Batteries store better in the cold, don't they?. If you're not using it during winter, I'd say disconnect it, and let it sit. Hook it up occasionally for trickle charging or floating.
 
From years of boating, one learns to keep batteries fresh over the off-season. Four or five marine starting batteries is a big nut to risk every winter.

For long-term storage of a charged battery, a tender is what you want. A $20 750ma tender is not very good at charging weak batteries. So if you want to charge and store, then a bigger "smart" charger is the ticket. The better ones have some added features, but they all do basically the same thing. Some advertise 4 charging/tender stages, others as many as 8. They vary voltage and amperage during charging, but the tender stage is either a float or a pulse.

With a good tender, once the battery capacity reaches 95-100%, the trickle charge stops. As the storage voltage drops below 95%, the tender will apply a light pulsing charge to bring it back up above 95%, and then stop. It will go on doing this indefinitely.

If your charger has a tender function like that, then you're set.

What you don't want to do is leave a battery sit on a traditional 10 or 20A+ charger indefinitely, even the "automatic" ones. The trickle charge float is too high and doesn't really shut off, which can lead to electrolyte boil off. We have a big Rizk charger that works great to revive a flat battery, but you don't want to use one for storage.

The other thing you want to avoid is deep discharge of a starting battery. Most never fully recover from it. Letting the battery just sit unconnected in the cold all winter will lead to some self-discharge. Leaving it connected to a unused modern car is a sure way to discharge it. With some computer-laden cars, a dead battery creates more problems.

A decent tender for off-vehicle battery maintenance is about $20. A smart charger starts at about $30. Using a tender will also relieve the alternator if the car sits weeks between starts. If connected to a modern vehicle, absolutely use a TVSS spike/surge protector, just like you would with any other computer.

There are 6v chargers and tenders, and universal models that handle both 6 and 12v. The big two "smart" makers are Ctek and Schumacher, but there are many others.
 
Originally Posted By: crw
I have been thinking of doing something like this for my fleet as well. I plan to park the 1975 BMW this winter, and I also have a lawn tractor and a Ford 8N tractor. That real tractor has a 6V battery. Is there a trickle charge solution for that, 6V?

The 6V battery gets infrequent use. It plows the (big) garden in the spring and the fall, and gets used when I need to plow snow in the winter.

Back on the trickle charge, I already have a newer battery charger with a 2A mode, digital display, and it will shut off automatically when the battery is at "100%". Is there any benefit to a separate battery tender, or whatever?

Thanks for any responses.


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