I posted here earlier on another thread, that I was looking for something better than breakfree for lube purposes. I took a look at fp-10, and am considering ordering weaponshield. The wear tests I was able to find on a search indicate that fp-10 might be better at controlling wear, but it stinks at corrosion resistance- I don't know how biased the testing was, but the fp-10 contains AW/EP additives. FP-10 is available locally at two locations I frequent, so I'm tempted to try it. I'm aware of how tricky blending chemistry can be, but was considering blending breakfree clp with fp-10 at a 10:1 ratio, using fp-10 itself as an additive to get the best compromise. Anyone care to throw in their .02 lincolns on this? I have been blending breakfree successfuly with browning synthetic gunlube at a 50/50 ratio, and started doing so because the BSG was an excellent lube, but also stunk at preventing rust. All comments are welcome.
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Unless you know more than the people making these products, I see no reason to mix them. Chemistries can compete with each other. You are trying to get the best of both, but you may get the worst of both.
I would skip FP10 and go straight to Weapon Shield. A markedly better product.
BF is not my favorite, but there are much worse out there.
I would skip FP10 and go straight to Weapon Shield. A markedly better product.
BF is not my favorite, but there are much worse out there.
Originally Posted By: milwaukee
Has breakfree failed you in any way? I have used a lot of breakfree and fp10. The only difference I can notice is the Breakfee is better at corrosion protection.
Nope, but I mentioned in a previous thread that I'm looking around to see what else is out there. Breakfree is excellent at corrosion, but according to testing I've read, it provides about half the lubrication/load capacity of fp-10. I have a 1911 gc, whose trigger noticeably improved when I applied fp-10, but yeah, it leaves alot to be desired with corrosion protection. Another poster here suggested eezox to me, but the more I research weaponshield and read user reviews, the better that stuff is looking-kinda pricey, though.
Has breakfree failed you in any way? I have used a lot of breakfree and fp10. The only difference I can notice is the Breakfee is better at corrosion protection.
Nope, but I mentioned in a previous thread that I'm looking around to see what else is out there. Breakfree is excellent at corrosion, but according to testing I've read, it provides about half the lubrication/load capacity of fp-10. I have a 1911 gc, whose trigger noticeably improved when I applied fp-10, but yeah, it leaves alot to be desired with corrosion protection. Another poster here suggested eezox to me, but the more I research weaponshield and read user reviews, the better that stuff is looking-kinda pricey, though.
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but according to testing I've read, it provides about half the lubrication/load capacity of fp-10.
Got a link?
but according to testing I've read, it provides about half the lubrication/load capacity of fp-10.
Got a link?
FP10 and Weapon Shield both chlorineated and will give very good anti scuff protection BUT I get the stuff for free and will not puit any Chlor on my guns inhibited or not.
bruce
bruce
Is there an anti-wear affect from CP?
And, got any AN laying around?
And, got any AN laying around?
Would it not be nice if there were a gun oil available that had none of that clorinated stuff and yet was a good synthetic gun oil with a real AW/EP additive package? Why is it that no company seems to be willing to market something like that?
As much as they charge for even conventional gun oils like Hoppes surely somebody could develop a gun oil that had the necessary AW/EP additives.
As much as they charge for even conventional gun oils like Hoppes surely somebody could develop a gun oil that had the necessary AW/EP additives.
Maybe we should approach Amsoil or Redline to make some gun oil for us? Just a pure base stock with the necessary AW/EP additives and nothing else that a gun doesn't need or shouldn't have.
Originally Posted By: Tempest
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but according to testing I've read, it provides about half the lubrication/load capacity of fp-10.
Got a link?
Sorry, no link-I understand computers even less than women (and that's sayin' sumthin). I did a yahoo search using breakfree/fp-10 as a parameter, and got lots of interesting reading. Again, I cannot vouch for anything I read as being unbiased, but one guy posted a thread complete with photos of corrosion tests he did on his own with several popular lubes, weaponshield wasn't part of that particular post. I knew that fp-10 contained chlorinated ingredients, but wasn't aware of such with weaponshield. It's still probably harmless for my uses, considering I use brake cleaner to clean my guns, the "good" chlorinated stuff. I ordered the weaponshield, and might phase out my old cleaning practices if it performs. I'll give it a try and post my results and observations for you guys. I'd love to see redline make a gunlube, but ain't holding my breath. It took them forever to release a mercon sp compatible product for my superduty. One of the local shops I frequent carries an aeresol amsoil spray, but I don't think it's specifically formulated for firearms use. After reading the label, it strikes me as a general purpose lube/penetrant.
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but according to testing I've read, it provides about half the lubrication/load capacity of fp-10.
Got a link?
Sorry, no link-I understand computers even less than women (and that's sayin' sumthin). I did a yahoo search using breakfree/fp-10 as a parameter, and got lots of interesting reading. Again, I cannot vouch for anything I read as being unbiased, but one guy posted a thread complete with photos of corrosion tests he did on his own with several popular lubes, weaponshield wasn't part of that particular post. I knew that fp-10 contained chlorinated ingredients, but wasn't aware of such with weaponshield. It's still probably harmless for my uses, considering I use brake cleaner to clean my guns, the "good" chlorinated stuff. I ordered the weaponshield, and might phase out my old cleaning practices if it performs. I'll give it a try and post my results and observations for you guys. I'd love to see redline make a gunlube, but ain't holding my breath. It took them forever to release a mercon sp compatible product for my superduty. One of the local shops I frequent carries an aeresol amsoil spray, but I don't think it's specifically formulated for firearms use. After reading the label, it strikes me as a general purpose lube/penetrant.
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Would it not be nice if there were a gun oil available that had none of that clorinated stuff and yet was a good synthetic gun oil with a real AW/EP additive package?
The Jardine's grease is what you are describing. It is a VERY light grease.
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Sorry, no link-I understand computers even less than women (and that's sayin' sumthin).
FP10 (at least the original product) and WS were formulated by the same person. This person has been formulating chlor products for more than 20 years so he knows a thing or 2 about the stuff. Bruce doesn't like chlor products and really I can't blame him considering their history, but FP10 and WS have very good reputations. I have been actively looking for reports of corrosion on either product. Only a few for FP10 (mostly recently), and none for WS.
Would it not be nice if there were a gun oil available that had none of that clorinated stuff and yet was a good synthetic gun oil with a real AW/EP additive package?
The Jardine's grease is what you are describing. It is a VERY light grease.
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Sorry, no link-I understand computers even less than women (and that's sayin' sumthin).
FP10 (at least the original product) and WS were formulated by the same person. This person has been formulating chlor products for more than 20 years so he knows a thing or 2 about the stuff. Bruce doesn't like chlor products and really I can't blame him considering their history, but FP10 and WS have very good reputations. I have been actively looking for reports of corrosion on either product. Only a few for FP10 (mostly recently), and none for WS.
""Is there an anti-wear affect from CP?""
big time at 3-5% works well with a good TBN boost from a CA sulfonate they work very well but IMHO over time and in storage i would worry about HCL forming and perhaps staining my guns Tho maybe a long shot I do not use CP's for that reason plus IMHO a nic fitted 1911 does NOT need a real high EP/AW system a more mild system will work fine the big thing needed IMHO is a oil/grease that stays on it that is done then a mild AW system is all you need.
""And, got any AN laying around?"'
Yeah want some?
bruce
big time at 3-5% works well with a good TBN boost from a CA sulfonate they work very well but IMHO over time and in storage i would worry about HCL forming and perhaps staining my guns Tho maybe a long shot I do not use CP's for that reason plus IMHO a nic fitted 1911 does NOT need a real high EP/AW system a more mild system will work fine the big thing needed IMHO is a oil/grease that stays on it that is done then a mild AW system is all you need.
""And, got any AN laying around?"'
Yeah want some?
bruce
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Yeah want some?
You have a PM.
The main reason I like to have some sort of low temp EP (such as chlor) is the boundary/sliding that occurs in guns. The relatively rough surface finish (compared to automotive parts) only serves to reduce the bearing surfaces even more. Chlor lays down a slippery, embedded film that also improves the surface finish to help improve load bearing and I think that is a big plus for reliable operation....IMH non-professional opinion anyway. Seems to make cleaning easier as well.
Now the "dry lube" claims of Militec are pure horse pucky, IMHO. People still ask all over the place if hair drying their guns will get Militec to "bond" to the metal....
Yeah want some?
You have a PM.
The main reason I like to have some sort of low temp EP (such as chlor) is the boundary/sliding that occurs in guns. The relatively rough surface finish (compared to automotive parts) only serves to reduce the bearing surfaces even more. Chlor lays down a slippery, embedded film that also improves the surface finish to help improve load bearing and I think that is a big plus for reliable operation....IMH non-professional opinion anyway. Seems to make cleaning easier as well.
Now the "dry lube" claims of Militec are pure horse pucky, IMHO. People still ask all over the place if hair drying their guns will get Militec to "bond" to the metal....
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html
Is that the link?
Yeah, that's one of 'em. I found out there's more than one guy out there doing their own testing. Most are careful about using an untreated steel sample as a control group, and degrease any potential contaminants before the tests. One of the tests I read had several photos spanning different hour points over two or three days, he used common household nails or screws. Maybe not a lab quality test, but I found it informative.
http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html
Is that the link?
Yeah, that's one of 'em. I found out there's more than one guy out there doing their own testing. Most are careful about using an untreated steel sample as a control group, and degrease any potential contaminants before the tests. One of the tests I read had several photos spanning different hour points over two or three days, he used common household nails or screws. Maybe not a lab quality test, but I found it informative.
An update for you guys-I've ordered and tried weaponshield. I'm impressed, to say the least. It's pretty thick, so I won't be using grease on the rails or locking lugs anymore. I tried it on a 1911 I own, the trigger feels much better and the slide is smoother. No placebo effect here, this gun has thousands of rounds and dry firings under it's belt-I would know the feel of this gun in my sleep. As mentioned on an eezox thread here, I can't comment on corrosion protection yet, but I'll let you know what I find. I can't locate any testing on the www, I might just have to do my own. P.S., I did try a blend of breakfree with a trace amount of fp-10, and noticed some slight lube improvement, with just about no loss of rust protection. I didn't worry about competing chemistries, as my understanding is breakfree contains teflon, but no AW/EP additives. Someone here correct me if I'm wrong.
BF claims AW and EP. An old MSDS showed antimony AW. Have no idea what they are using now. I really doubt that they have a serious EP package in the oil.
Glad you are happy with WS. Clean only with the oil and it will get easier the more you use it.
Glad you are happy with WS. Clean only with the oil and it will get easier the more you use it.
Since I love to blend:
20% Cylestic Synthetic Turbine Oil ISO 32, 25% Mobil #1 75W-90, 15% Break Free, 15% FP 10, 15% Permatex Engine Assembly Lube, 10% ATF.
Hey, I have used all of them with good results, why not mix them. I intend to do some tests on the corrosion aspect.
20% Cylestic Synthetic Turbine Oil ISO 32, 25% Mobil #1 75W-90, 15% Break Free, 15% FP 10, 15% Permatex Engine Assembly Lube, 10% ATF.
Hey, I have used all of them with good results, why not mix them. I intend to do some tests on the corrosion aspect.
I gotta' ask why?
Turbine oil is the real odd one out. Has almost no additives.
Turbine oil is the real odd one out. Has almost no additives.
An update, FWIW- after using ws a little longer, I have to give it the nod in the corrosion protection department. I used to get rust in my grip screw and msh slots, but no more. Anyone know the temp range for weaponshield? I remember seeing it once, but can't find it anymore. I wanted to compare with breakfree and fp10.
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