Longest OCI youve done with Penzzoil Ultra?

[fdcg27]

I know that you're being a little tongue in cheek here, but your question is a valid one.
If Ultra is all that and it probably is, then why doesn't SOPUS spend a dime to gain the certs that would demonstate just how good this oil really is?
As it is now, as you note, Ultra carries certs that match those of some of the least expensive oils available.
The oil nerds here may recognize it as a superior product, although it exceeds the needs of most of us.
Why not pony up for something beyond basic certs to prove the value of this premium priced oil?
XOM does this with most flavors of M1, and maybe if SOPUS wants to play in the big-boy league, they need to as well.

 

[Garak]

Exactly. PU is second to none. It doesn't need to be cushioned by a whack of disclaimers and short OCIs by SOPUS. Castrol uses some pretty bizarre marketing at times, but at least they push the durability of their oils and back them up with certifications.

Take a look at Walmart up here. For Castrol European oils, there's GC, 0w-40, and 5w-40. The rest of them have A1/B1 A5/B5 certs as applicable. PU isn't on the shelf, even in 5w-30, and hasn't been for an extraordinarily long time.

And we know darn well that Shell sells A1/B1 A5/B5 oils in Europe, and I highly doubt that they aren't one of Formula Shell Synthetic, QSUD, PP, or PU. So, quit with the ACEA 2002 specifications and put current ones on the bottles where they apply.

 

[johnachak]

On the SOPUS site it says that PU outcleans PP that outcleans their PYB. That's about all I got from it.

 

[itguy08]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27

If Ultra is all that and it probably is, then why doesn't SOPUS spend a dime to gain the certs that would demonstate just how good this oil really is?

Outside of Dexos, what certs is it missing?

Quote:
Pennzoil Ultra™
Ultra Class Synthetic Motor Oil

Industry specifications:
API SN, SM, SL and SJ
ILSAC GF-5
Exceeds ILSAC GF-5 engine cleansing and protection requirements
OEM specifications:
GM 4718M (Corvette and Cadillac)
Chrysler MS-6395 (SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-30)
GM 6094M (SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-30)
FORD WSS-M2C945-A and WSS-M2C929-A (SAE 5W-30)
FORD WSS-M2C946-A and WSS-M2C930-A (SAE 5W-20)
HTO-06
Specifications may vary by viscosity grade.


It's only available in a few grades, 10w30, 5w30, 5w20, and the Euro formulas.

Quote:
Pennzoil Platinum®
Advanced Full Synthetic Motor Oil

Exceeds the requirements of the following industry specifications:

Exceeds API SN and all previous categories; ILSAC GF-5 (Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20, 5W-20, 5W-30 and 10W-30)
Pennzoil Platinum® 0W-20 meets requirements for Toyota/Lexus, Nissan, Honda, Suzuki, Subaru and other manufacturers where SAE 0W-20 is required
Pennzoil Platinum® 5W-20 exceeds Chrysler MS-6395, Ford WSS-M2C945-A/WSS-M2C930-A, dexos1™ Certification and GM 6094M
Pennzoil Platinum® 5W-30 exceeds Chrysler MS-6395, Ford WSS-M2C946-AWSS-M2C929-A, GM 6094M, GM 4718M, dexos1™ Certification and Honda/Acura HTO-06
Pennzoil Platinum® 10W-30 exceeds Chrysler MS-6395, GM 6094M and GM 4718M
Pennzoil Platinum® European Ultra Diesel 5W-30 meets API SL/CF, ACEA C3, A3/B4-08, MB Approval – 229.51, BMW LL-04, VW 505 01, Chrysler MS-11106
Pennzoil Platinum® Euro Ultra 5W-30 meets API SH/CF, ACEA A3/B4, MB-Approval 229.5, BMW LL-01, and VW 502 00/505 00/503.01
Specifications may vary by viscosity grade.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: itguy08
Outside of Dexos, what certs is it missing?

They're both missing some very important specs (aside from the Euro varieties). Most of the manufacturers' specs they list are nothing beyond SN/GF-5 and are met by many conventionals. The only impressive ones are the Honda and the Vette spec, both of which are obsolete.

Ultra not having dexos1 is idiotic. Their top motor oil isn't appropriate for use in a new GM vehicle? Mobil owns the synthetic market as it is. Why hand them the GM market on a platter?

Where are A1/B1 and A5/B5? M1 and Syntec proudly display it. Odds are that PP and PU meet them, and they're essentially self-policing specs. So why play musical chairs with the ACEA specs and claim twelve year old versions of them, if any? I do note that the newest PP sheet does list A1 and A5, but "barely," as in the sheet is a mess once again and the ACEA specs are claimed in one place and left blank in another part of the sheet; there was a very recent link somewhere here on the site. There are guidelines as to how to list the ACEA specs an oil meets. They seem to follow them with the Euro grades, but have a giant mess on the A1/B1 A5/B5 type grades.

See this current PP 5w-30 sheet to see what I mean. Page one mentions A1/B1, and the A5/B5 on a separate line, for some unknown reason. On the second page, the chart leaves the ACEA section blank. At least the new Ultra does show dexos1 certification, along with the ACEA stuff listed properly. So, I am happy about that.