Liquid moly MoS2 a good add for my Hemi engine?

[Mad_Hatter]

Originally Posted by JAG
Don't buy it. Read Edward Kollin's posts about it here: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...07575/all/Small_Particle_MoS2_Settling_T


Thanks for the share 👠I haven't used the stuff and I don't think I'm in any hurry to either, after reading that.

 

[GumbyJarvis]

Originally Posted by GZRider
I'd just go with a higher Moly oil next time you change it, there's lots and lots of good options these days.


This^

For a cost of something that most owners manuals say no to (aftermarket oil additives) just add that to your cost of oil and get a higher moly, in spec oil.
Pennzoil, QS, Schaeffers, etc.

I'd even go Redline route before putting anything extra to "help out" the oil

 

[OilUzer]

Originally Posted by incognito_2u
So much bad info being disiminated here......

Can you please elaborate ?

btw, It's $8.85 for 0.31 quart on amazon

With that price and add $12 shipping & handling , it better produce extra 100 horse or torque or something ...

product with a very good Profit margin I assume ...

 

[Dragon44]

Originally Posted by JAG
Don't buy it. Read Edward Kollin's posts about it here: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...07575/all/Small_Particle_MoS2_Settling_T

I don't see the negative in that? Only if you're truck sits longer than 8 days the moly sinks to the bottom. But wouldn't it be suspended again after startup? My truck is a DD so it doesn't sit to long ether. The plated moly would still be bonded to the metal to and would not sink. Am I correct on this?

 

[paulri]

I called the liquimoly support and asked them about this possibility. The guy said it wasn't going to happen if the vehicle is used frequently; and even if it isn't, all I had to do was start the car, and then mos2 would be mixed throughout the oil again.

FWIW I've got MOS2 running in both the cars in my sig.

Originally Posted by Dragon44
Originally Posted by JAG
Don't buy it. Read Edward Kollin's posts about it here: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...07575/all/Small_Particle_MoS2_Settling_T

I don't see the negative in that? Only if you're truck sits longer than 8 days the moly sinks to the bottom. But wouldn't it be suspended again after startup? My truck is a DD so it doesn't sit to long ether. The plated moly would still be bonded to the metal to and would not sink. Am I correct on this?

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Originally Posted by OilUzer
Originally Posted by incognito_2u
So much bad info being disiminated here......

Can you please elaborate ?

btw, It's $8.85 for 0.31 quart on amazon

With that price and add $12 shipping & handling , it better produce extra 100 horse or torque or something ...

product with a very good Profit margin I assume ...


Maybe he's referring his (mis)spelling of "disiminated" ?🤔

The irony......‚

 

[talest]

Originally Posted by GumbyJarvis
Originally Posted by GZRider
I'd just go with a higher Moly oil next time you change it, there's lots and lots of good options these days.


This^

For a cost of something that most owners manuals say no to (aftermarket oil additives) just add that to your cost of oil and get a higher moly, in spec oil.
Pennzoil, QS, Schaeffers, etc.

I'd even go Redline route before putting anything extra to "help out" the oil


QSUD also has a lot of Moly.

That said, unless the LM product is clogging anything there could be argument made for that it is only helping. A rarity in the additive world, yes, but that one is no snake oil !

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Originally Posted by talest
Originally Posted by GumbyJarvis
Originally Posted by GZRider
I'd just go with a higher Moly oil next time you change it, there's lots and lots of good options these days.


This^

For a cost of something that most owners manuals say no to (aftermarket oil additives) just add that to your cost of oil and get a higher moly, in spec oil.
Pennzoil, QS, Schaeffers, etc.

I'd even go Redline route before putting anything extra to "help out" the oil


QSUD also has a lot of Moly.

That said, unless the LM product is clogging anything there could be argument made for that it is only helping. A rarity in the additive world, yes, but that one is no snake oil !


Are there other forms of moly besides MoS2 that provide similar friction reducing properties but better stay in suspension, that mfgs like Redline are using?? Or is it the higher moly content in oils like Redline is mainly due to them being geared towards race engines as opposed to daily drivers, which daily drivers seems to be the market for off the shelf brands from sopus, chevron and such???

Maybe the need (by mfgs/blenders) to stay at a particular price point is more of a determining factor in moly content? Or are the quality of the base stocks and other AW additives being used, such that the formulators don't see the need (or ROI, the tension btw marketing and engineering) to boost moly content beyond industry avgs for the daily driver??

 

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Dragon44
Originally Posted by JAG
Don't buy it. Read Edward Kollin's posts about it here: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...07575/all/Small_Particle_MoS2_Settling_T

I don't see the negative in that? Only if you're truck sits longer than 8 days the moly sinks to the bottom. But wouldn't it be suspended again after startup? My truck is a DD so it doesn't sit to long ether. The plated moly would still be bonded to the metal to and would not sink. Am I correct on this?


He said some very negative things, including it is essentially useless in motor oil.

He said: "I have tested it quite thoroughly at Exxon, as many have done before me, and found it essentially useless in motor oil."

In a later post he said: "Even at high loadings solid MoS2 did little."

Use an oil that has a lot of MoDTC, which is the most common soluble form of moly. Some oils have more than 700 PPM of it.

 

[digger327]

I'm still finishing off my Liqui-moly stash in my Son's car. Half a can in 5 quarts gives ~140 ppm MoS2. I'am plan on going to Zepro advanced dexos 1 soon. It is supposed to have ~300 ppm of Moly.

 

[incognito_2u]

Thanks for pointing out my spelling error, Teacher.....

What I was referring to was the multiple use of the words " I think..." , " I hope..." , and " I always thought....". Any reply should be backed with a SOURCE!

Do you agree?

#disseminate

 

[Dragon44]

Originally Posted by JAG
Originally Posted by Dragon44
Originally Posted by JAG
Don't buy it. Read Edward Kollin's posts about it here: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...07575/all/Small_Particle_MoS2_Settling_T

I don't see the negative in that? Only if you're truck sits longer than 8 days the moly sinks to the bottom. But wouldn't it be suspended again after startup? My truck is a DD so it doesn't sit to long ether. The plated moly would still be bonded to the metal to and would not sink. Am I correct on this?


He said some very negative things, including it is essentially useless in motor oil.

He said: "I have tested it quite thoroughly at Exxon, as many have done before me, and found it essentially useless in motor oil."

In a later post he said: "Even at high loadings solid MoS2 did little."

Use an oil that has a lot of MoDTC, which is the most common soluble form of moly. Some oils have more than 700 PPM of it.

What about all the other great studies showing it actually does do something even here on the whiteboard Bob says you can see it plating to metal? There's a lot more positive things than negative things on moly in oil.

 

[OilUzer]

I don't think the question is if moly is good or bad ... The issue is adding your own to the mix and messing with the formula. I had a few posts looking for high moly oil ... but after some reading/research, came to the conclusion not to add my own since I don't know what I'm doing. Internet vs. real scientists ...

I think JAG has a good advice.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Originally Posted by incognito_2u
Thanks for pointing out my spelling error, Teacher.....

What I was referring to was the multiple use of the words " I think..." , " I hope..." , and " I always thought....". Any reply should be backed with a SOURCE!

Do you agree?

#disseminate


Oh stop it. Last i checked, this wasn't a board for academics only. If that's the case, I'm out. Most of us aren't self anointed oil gurus nor want to be, so we're just here to learn and hopefully pick up some useful stuff to take back with us. We're not perfect, we often use the wrong verbiage and don't have the latest and greatest to substantiate our "seems like" opinions. Besides, better than half the posts in my estimation are based on anecdotal or empirical evidence. Such as, "You could run 5w30 and be just fine" or "You should use X degreaser". Even if one were to make a post that cites something as "objective" evidence, we all know data can be manipulated, outdated, skewed or just not representative of real life use. A perfect example is an additive mfg manipulating a lubricity tester to provide glowing results of their product. So even supposed "evidence" (in this case, lubricity tester results) can be just as subjective and worthless as your "I think", "I feel" and so on..

(fwiw, I don't normally play the part of spelling and grammar cop but in this case, I thought it was pretty rich of you to go on about fake news when you couldn't (especially) even spell "disseminate" right.. that was just too good to pass up ...‚)

 

[incognito_2u]

But you did.....so you are OUT!
Seems like you know more than me......ðŸ‘...€
And "fake news" was never mentioned, except by you!
May 2019 joined........your up!

 

[incognito_2u]

All day, grammar cop, all day........

 

[JAG]

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What about all the other great studies showing it actually does do something even here on the whiteboard Bob says you can see it plating to metal? There's a lot more positive things than negative things on moly in oil.

I read it and it was like reading a story. There were no references to studies and there was no testing. It seems like you want it to be a good additive. Don't let emotions overpower rational thought.

 

[RDY4WAR]

If you wanted a higher level of MoDTC, you could sub in a quart of M1 Racing 0w30 or HPL BAS 5w30. Starting with an oil that contains 80 ppm, blending 4:1 would bring it up to 400-420 ppm, blending 5:1 would bring it up to 350-370 ppm, and you wouldn't have any concerns with it falling out of suspension.

Even then the cost wouldn't be worth the reward as the friction reduction benefit shows greatly diminishing returns above about 100 ppm.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
If you wanted a higher level of MoDTC, you could sub in a quart of M1 Racing 0w30 or HPL BAS 5w30. Starting with an oil that contains 80 ppm, blending 4:1 would bring it up to 400-420 ppm, blending 5:1 would bring it up to 350-370 ppm, and you wouldn't have any concerns with it falling out of suspension.


I don't know this for fact but don't racing oils typically contain higher amounts of ZDDP as well? So if you blended in racing oil in any meaningful amounts, you would also be raising the zddp to levels that might not be good for engines with a catalytic converter??

 

[Dragon44]

Originally Posted by JAG
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What about all the other great studies showing it actually does do something even here on the whiteboard Bob says you can see it plating to metal? There's a lot more positive things than negative things on moly in oil.

I read it and it was like reading a story. There were no references to studies and there was no testing. It seems like you want it to be a good additive. Don't let emotions overpower rational thought.

No I'm just trying to understand because now Im Confused

Theres a boat load of good reviews on here. But now you post a link where half the people think it's a good idea not to use it because it may settle and the other half poke a bunch of holes in what he said and say moly addictive is great. Is what he did even scientific really?