Las Vegas tourism seems to be in deep trouble

That's not the cost for the water.
I guess one has to make things excruciatingly obvious for people.

I know that that is not the cost for the water. The point is, that no charge anywhere near this amount, should be anywhere near any bottled water, or nasty grams about altering configurations or putting personal items on top of, well, wherever that message happens to be. I would go out of my way not to stay here just to avoid receiving stupid messages like this. It's not anywhere in the neighborhood of customer service.

Just don't provide bottled water if you have to go to that extent. Such nanny messages are not well received by customers. The cost of water is infinitesimal compared to the loss of goodwill generated by a message like this.
 
i was just there last week monday to thursday . Airport was packed .going to and from Vegas . Had a rental car so just drove on the strip , but did not walk on it . We ate at off strip places and the prices were ok . Had an awesome steak dinner for 7 for $110 a head all in with couple bottles of wine and drinks . Lots of other food also . Best deal on steak house meal .

Driving the strip in the afternoon it looked pretty slow, but it was 103 outside . At night it was a lot busier . If you don't dine on the strip area the food and drink is much lower
 
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Atlantic City doesn't do this. It's reason enough to never go to Vegas or anyplace else that does this.
So let me get this straight. If you bump into the mini bar and knock something off, would you be charged a fee? Can you tell the Guest Services to just disable it and you don't want anything to do with it by accident?
 
Gosh do people ever think about stuff before they implement? Customers will vote with their feet. And for what? What does a bottle of water cost the hotel? A couple of dollars? Penny wise, pound foolish.

Customers have voted with their feet.

The entire travel and hospitality industry relies heavily on price discrimination tactics, and revenue streams from junk fees.

People want cheap, only look at the base advertised prices, and think they're getting a deal.

The industry likes it this way, and fights tooth and nail against any effort to make them advertise the true, all inclusive costs for plane fares, lodging, etc.

Things aren't going to change, as long as people accept it, and the lobbyists pay off the legislators to kill any efforts at transparency.

The notion that a hotel will rent a guest that 300 sq ft of furnished, habitable space, then reserve a lousy 1% of it as an additional gouging stream with penalty for "misuse" is not only absurd, but offensive.
 
So let me get this straight. If you bump into the mini bar and knock something off, would you be charged a fee? Can you tell the Guest Services to just disable it and you don't want anything to do with it by accident?
I wouldn't know for sure. I've personally never stayed in a hotel room with a mono bar. Supposedly at some places one can ask for things like having it cleared out for personal use or otherwise locked, yes.
 
So let me get this straight. If you bump into the mini bar and knock something off, would you be charged a fee? Can you tell the Guest Services to just disable it and you don't want anything to do with it by accident?
I haven't seen one in ages, but back in the day the items were in sort of trays - not too dis-similar to a vending machine, and they were in fairly tightly - you weren't going to knock any out by bumping it. If you did remove one and put it back however, the sensor would go off and you would be charged. They had some sort of limit switch in them.

I haven't seen one in decades.
 
Customers have voted with their feet.

The entire travel and hospitality industry relies heavily on price discrimination tactics, and revenue streams from junk fees.

People want cheap, only look at the base advertised prices, and think they're getting a deal.

The industry likes it this way, and fights tooth and nail against any effort to make them advertise the true, all inclusive costs for plane fares, lodging, etc.

Things aren't going to change, as long as people accept it, and the lobbyists pay off the legislators to kill any efforts at transparency.

The notion that a hotel will rent a guest that 300 sq ft of furnished, habitable space, then reserve a lousy 1% of it as an additional gouging stream with penalty for "misuse" is not only absurd, but offensive.
I agree with this.

Vegas used to be the place you went for a low budget visit to the sun. Hotel was cheap, food was cheap, flight was cheap. The casino's banked on the fact that some number of people would loose a bunch of money to cover the rest. I remember lots of people would take those 3 day specials - flight and hotel - just for something to do. It was the rebel without a cause trip - sin city, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas sort of thing.

Somewhere that ended. Don't think it will come back either. The types that liked that sort of thing have moved on, and the younger generation has no interest.
 
I agree with this.

Vegas used to be the place you went for a low budget visit to the sun. Hotel was cheap, food was cheap, flight was cheap. The casino's banked on the fact that some number of people would loose a bunch of money to cover the rest. I remember lots of people would take those 3 day specials - flight and hotel - just for something to do. It was the rebel without a cause trip - sin city, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas sort of thing.

Somewhere that ended. Don't think it will come back either. The types that liked that sort of thing have moved on, and the younger generation has no interest.

I watched it all happen in front of me and here's the timelines as I recall it.

In the late 80's it was still old school mob controlled vegas.
20 dollar rooms during the week and 5-10 prime rib buffets.
"Loose" mechanical slots were still everywhere.
Nudie dancing shows and full on adults only.

89 was the mega high end hotels started like the Mirage that required larger scale funding.
I was there the opening night - they ran out of quarters it was so busy.

In the 90's the corporations came en masse and started looking for ROI above return repeat visitors.
The big time shows started ticket prices hit 100 a seat.
Room comping and dinner buying stopped - corporations are far crueler than the mob -- they didnt care if you came back.

The 2000's saw the finality of the facelift and the destination was now child friendly with yet more mega hotels.
Child friendly arcades, pools, activities, and underground malls and more corporate facelifts.

By 2005 the last remnants were gone, and it will never return.

I still go twice a year for business and the view I look forward to most is the whole place in my rearview mirror.
 
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I watched it all happen in front of me and here's the timelines as I recall it.

In the late 80's it was still old school mob controlled vegas.
20 dollar rooms during the week and 5-10 prime rib buffets.
"Loose" mechanical slots were still everywhere.
Nudie dancing shows and full on adults only.

89 was the mega high end hotels started like the Mirage that required larger scale funding.
I was there the opening night - they ran out of quarters it was so busy.

In the 90's the corporations came en masse and started looking for ROI above return repeat visitors.
The big time shows started ticket prices hit 100 a seat.
Room comping and dinner buying stopped - corporations are far crueler than the mob -- they didnt car if you came back.

The 2000's saw the finality of the facelift and the destination was now child friendly with yet more mega hotels.
Child friendly arcades, pools, activities, and underground malls and more corporate facelifts.

By 2005 the last remnants were gone, and it will never return.

I still go twice a year for business and the view I look forward to most is the whole place in my rearview mirror.
When I have to work in Las Vegas, I stay in Henderson. I don't want to submit a travel voucher with a Las Vegas hotel receipt.

Las Vegas strip hotels today are a great example of "everything undesirable" from corporate America.
 
I watched it all happen in front of me and here's the timelines as I recall it.

In the late 80's it was still old school mob controlled vegas.
20 dollar rooms during the week and 5-10 prime rib buffets.
"Loose" mechanical slots were still everywhere.
Nudie dancing shows and full on adults only.

89 was the mega high end hotels started like the Mirage that required larger scale funding.
I was there the opening night - they ran out of quarters it was so busy.

In the 90's the corporations came en masse and started looking for ROI above return repeat visitors.
The big time shows started ticket prices hit 100 a seat.
Room comping and dinner buying stopped - corporations are far crueler than the mob -- they didnt car if you came back.

The 2000's saw the finality of the facelift and the destination was now child friendly with yet more mega hotels.
Child friendly arcades, pools, activities, and underground malls and more corporate facelifts.

By 2005 the last remnants were gone, and it will never return.

I still go twice a year for business and the view I look forward to most is the whole place in my rearview mirror.
I believe you. My first trip would have been late 90's. They used to do a lot of industrial trade shows and conferences there, when that was a thing. I actually did (company paid, I planned) a big technical training there for people from all over the country. We had it there because it was cheaper to fly everyone there and rent the meeting space than fly everyone to our corporate office where the meeting space was "free".

I actually got stuck there in 9/11/2001 - another trade show. They turned off all the exterior lights, but the gambling never stopped. Not for a minute.
 
My first trip to Vegas was in a bus tour stop as a kid in the early 90s, and the highlight of the trip was the pirate ship in front of Treasure Island. The next trip was a road trip as a teenager with my parents and the same Treasure Island was still just as great. Vegas got a lot more fancy with newer hotels on the strip but was still nice and clean. Steak was still $6 a set in a buffet and you can still walk around on the strip.

I went about 3-4 years ago again as a dad, it became too crowded and became the worst urban city tourist trap I can think of. No room to walk, no room to drive without getting stuck in traffic, no free parking even if you are going to spend money in a hotel nearby, nothing worthy to stay in, food is probably cheaper than San Francisco but if you want subsidized food you have to drive far out of the strip and into a new casino in the outskirt, and eat in their "food court". The new fancy things they have now seem to be the concerts and hotels around the club and concert scene, instead of casino.

My kids didn't like Vegas like I did as a kid, they forbid us taking family trips there again. I agree with them, probably wouldn't go back.
 
Everyone is citing examples of $10.00 water bottles and $30.00 burgers- but all reports are weekends are still packed. Not my thing - but people are still going there as are trade shows.
I think the death of Las Vegas is greatly exaggerated.
 
i was there last month and will be there in sep. the amount of folks going will not hurt the casinos as long as the gambling revenue stays the same. Who it will hurt is the ancillary folks like restaurants and others that rely on tourist .

I have been going Vegas for almost 35 years , usually once or twice a year. I have seen it change a lot over the years . Saw the resort fee and parking instituted . Vegas is still relatively cheap when compared to other place in states like NYC . For $250 a night one can stay in 5 star hotel . Try that in NYC or LA .

I can find 3 day packages at ok hotels in Vegas for around $350 on weekdays all the time . If you eat and drink on the strip expect to pay a lot . I don't even go on the strip most of the time when i am there . Off the strip the food and drink is so much less.

Strip places have been sending out a lot more free rooms etc to entice folks to go is what I have heard . More than usual in recent memory . They have no incentive to lower rates on anything until they revenue go down.

One of oddities i have found is Chinese food is expensive there compared to where i am from . Something simple like Beef Chow Fun is like $18 to $26 in Vegas . Go figure
If you don't go to the strip most of the time what else is there to do in Vegas?
 
I believe you. My first trip would have been late 90's. They used to do a lot of industrial trade shows and conferences there, when that was a thing. I actually did (company paid, I planned) a big technical training there for people from all over the country. We had it there because it was cheaper to fly everyone there and rent the meeting space than fly everyone to our corporate office where the meeting space was "free".

I actually got stuck there in 9/11/2001 - another trade show. They turned off all the exterior lights, but the gambling never stopped. Not for a minute.

How many days after 9-11 did it take to get back home ?
 
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