Is problem with camphasers an oil issue or a bad design...
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Originally Posted by Navi
I am in the car service industry in and around the NYC area. I dont tow anything but I start and stop my car several times a day, 7 days per week...severe service like a taxi.
#1. The 5 liter has been around a long time in the Ford world. I owned a 1991 Ford Mustang 5.0. Im not sure if that is the same 5 liter, probably a lot of changes since 1991, but when I had the 5 liter it was very reliable. There shouldnt be issues but I could be wrong. This is the engine I would get for an F150 if in the market for one. Fords naturally aspirated V6s are also good.
#4. There is an old saying...dont buy a first model year vehicle. Its best to buy 4th year and up to allow the manufacturer to get rid of any wrinkles. So the 2020 Ford F150 I would imagine would be more reliable than the 2017. My 2018 Lincoln Navigator developed the rattle at 85000 miles operated like a taxi which is a bit better than some 2017 F150 owners who got theirs at 30000 miles. So something has changed but it needs to change a little more.
#5. The cold start rattle I got was not the only problem. The 10 speed transmission went at 70000 problems requiring full replacement new in the box.
#6. To the guy who has the Titan I would suggest waiting until the 2021 Ford F150. The F250 and Toyota Tundra are more reliable. The Ram and GM offerings are a bit worse... the 10 speed is still new on the scene and needs time to mature. Buy the largest extended warranty Ford offers. Monitor Consumer Reports and Car Complaints website too.
#7. Outside of the engine and trans I have not had other problems, but the engine and trans are very serious problems! Truck has been deadlined 2 months this year..lots of drama!
The old 5.0 and the coyote are hugely different mills DOHV 4V vs 2V cam in block.
On first model year -agreed - however I found myself with no choice in 04 and the titan has served quite well with no severe problem and just under 100K of almost 100% towing duty work.
These trans and rattle problems are ridiculous in a well maintained clean sheet designs and given my titan is still going strong Im just watching.
Im not sure Fords warranty is worth anything anymore.
On the boating forums we've had cracked pistons on ecoboosts, diesel failures with Ford finding ways to weasel out of warrantying them on 3 occasions -
In each occasion ford claimed water one the fuel and denied warranties even though extended warranties were purchased in 2 of 3 occasions.
(3rd parties as well as station logs refuted this - but Ford made them fight.) - add to that my kid bought a focus that had trans problems and I'm incredibly leery of Ford these days which makes me sad because my SHO and my lighting were both great products.
UD
I am in the car service industry in and around the NYC area. I dont tow anything but I start and stop my car several times a day, 7 days per week...severe service like a taxi.
#1. The 5 liter has been around a long time in the Ford world. I owned a 1991 Ford Mustang 5.0. Im not sure if that is the same 5 liter, probably a lot of changes since 1991, but when I had the 5 liter it was very reliable. There shouldnt be issues but I could be wrong. This is the engine I would get for an F150 if in the market for one. Fords naturally aspirated V6s are also good.
#4. There is an old saying...dont buy a first model year vehicle. Its best to buy 4th year and up to allow the manufacturer to get rid of any wrinkles. So the 2020 Ford F150 I would imagine would be more reliable than the 2017. My 2018 Lincoln Navigator developed the rattle at 85000 miles operated like a taxi which is a bit better than some 2017 F150 owners who got theirs at 30000 miles. So something has changed but it needs to change a little more.
#5. The cold start rattle I got was not the only problem. The 10 speed transmission went at 70000 problems requiring full replacement new in the box.
#6. To the guy who has the Titan I would suggest waiting until the 2021 Ford F150. The F250 and Toyota Tundra are more reliable. The Ram and GM offerings are a bit worse... the 10 speed is still new on the scene and needs time to mature. Buy the largest extended warranty Ford offers. Monitor Consumer Reports and Car Complaints website too.
#7. Outside of the engine and trans I have not had other problems, but the engine and trans are very serious problems! Truck has been deadlined 2 months this year..lots of drama!
The old 5.0 and the coyote are hugely different mills DOHV 4V vs 2V cam in block.
On first model year -agreed - however I found myself with no choice in 04 and the titan has served quite well with no severe problem and just under 100K of almost 100% towing duty work.
These trans and rattle problems are ridiculous in a well maintained clean sheet designs and given my titan is still going strong Im just watching.
Im not sure Fords warranty is worth anything anymore.
On the boating forums we've had cracked pistons on ecoboosts, diesel failures with Ford finding ways to weasel out of warrantying them on 3 occasions -
In each occasion ford claimed water one the fuel and denied warranties even though extended warranties were purchased in 2 of 3 occasions.
(3rd parties as well as station logs refuted this - but Ford made them fight.) - add to that my kid bought a focus that had trans problems and I'm incredibly leery of Ford these days which makes me sad because my SHO and my lighting were both great products.
UD
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by kstanf150
Ford only offers
3:15 - 3:55 and 3:73 rear gears in F150's
I think GM still may offer 3:23's but not sure
Sorry "315" or 355 - I doubt very highly that milage came from the 373.
To me the 3:55 is the prefect gear for the F150
Originally Posted by kstanf150
Ford only offers
3:15 - 3:55 and 3:73 rear gears in F150's
I think GM still may offer 3:23's but not sure
Sorry "315" or 355 - I doubt very highly that milage came from the 373.
To me the 3:55 is the prefect gear for the F150
Lets just say I would like to think in 28 years the Ford V8s are still reliable. It seems like the old 5 liter and 4.6 liter were "bulletproof". It seemed like Ford knew how to make a V8. If thats not the case with the new 5 liter its pretty sad. I guess they should ban me and let me back when they ready to make a good V8 again. The V8s I remember did no wrong.
Originally Posted by kstanf150
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by kstanf150
Ford only offers
3:15 - 3:55 and 3:73 rear gears in F150's
I think GM still may offer 3:23's but not sure
Sorry "315" or 355 - I doubt very highly that milage came from the 373.
To me the 3:55 is the prefect gear for the F150
I towed 7500 with a 355 and a 373 6 speed truck and the 355 truck struggled.
Im guessing the 10 speed would be better but Id buy the 373 truck based on my experience.
UD
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by kstanf150
Ford only offers
3:15 - 3:55 and 3:73 rear gears in F150's
I think GM still may offer 3:23's but not sure
Sorry "315" or 355 - I doubt very highly that milage came from the 373.
To me the 3:55 is the prefect gear for the F150
I towed 7500 with a 355 and a 373 6 speed truck and the 355 truck struggled.
Im guessing the 10 speed would be better but Id buy the 373 truck based on my experience.
UD
Originally Posted by Navi
Lets just say I would like to think in 28 years the Ford V8s are still reliable. It seems like the old 5 liter and 4.6 liter were "bulletproof". It seemed like Ford knew how to make a V8. If thats not the case with the new 5 liter its pretty sad. I guess they should ban me and let me back when they ready to make a good V8 again. The V8s I remember did no wrong.
Ford V8's are reliable a few know a friends cousins husbands boyfriend who destroyed 29 out of 800000 built in a certain year thus human nature determines it a problem engine.
Lets just say I would like to think in 28 years the Ford V8s are still reliable. It seems like the old 5 liter and 4.6 liter were "bulletproof". It seemed like Ford knew how to make a V8. If thats not the case with the new 5 liter its pretty sad. I guess they should ban me and let me back when they ready to make a good V8 again. The V8s I remember did no wrong.
Ford V8's are reliable a few know a friends cousins husbands boyfriend who destroyed 29 out of 800000 built in a certain year thus human nature determines it a problem engine.
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Navi
Lets just say I would like to think in 28 years the Ford V8s are still reliable. It seems like the old 5 liter and 4.6 liter were "bulletproof". It seemed like Ford knew how to make a V8. If thats not the case with the new 5 liter its pretty sad. I guess they should ban me and let me back when they ready to make a good V8 again. The V8s I remember did no wrong.
Ford V8's are reliable a few know a friends cousins husbands boyfriend who destroyed 29 out of 800000 built in a certain year thus human nature determines it a problem engine.
29 out of 800,000
My God Ford needs a recall I'd say !!!!!
But your right Dave
A hand full makes em all 💩's in some folks eyes around here
Originally Posted by Navi
Lets just say I would like to think in 28 years the Ford V8s are still reliable. It seems like the old 5 liter and 4.6 liter were "bulletproof". It seemed like Ford knew how to make a V8. If thats not the case with the new 5 liter its pretty sad. I guess they should ban me and let me back when they ready to make a good V8 again. The V8s I remember did no wrong.
Ford V8's are reliable a few know a friends cousins husbands boyfriend who destroyed 29 out of 800000 built in a certain year thus human nature determines it a problem engine.
29 out of 800,000
My God Ford needs a recall I'd say !!!!!
But your right Dave
A hand full makes em all 💩's in some folks eyes around here
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Be curious to see the hour meter. Id bet the odometer only tells part of the story on this rig.
The more I read about valve train failures on 3.5 eco boosts, the less confidence I have in fords OLM system.
UD
Back in the day (a few years ago) all the rage around here was to trust the OLM as if it were a Bible. Me, being old school, would always comment about how I would NEVER trust a OLM and the fix for them is to put black electrical tape over them. Man, would I ever get hounded. Well, I still don't believe in them, and it seems this thread only proves my theory as well, NOT to trust them!
Be curious to see the hour meter. Id bet the odometer only tells part of the story on this rig.
The more I read about valve train failures on 3.5 eco boosts, the less confidence I have in fords OLM system.
UD
Back in the day (a few years ago) all the rage around here was to trust the OLM as if it were a Bible. Me, being old school, would always comment about how I would NEVER trust a OLM and the fix for them is to put black electrical tape over them. Man, would I ever get hounded. Well, I still don't believe in them, and it seems this thread only proves my theory as well, NOT to trust them!
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Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by BISCUT
UD:
I'm interested to see what happens for me with my 15 F150 OLM. First time I'm doing 7500k plus on an OCI. THis is more a family travel truck. We hit a lot of beaches and mountains. Mae the ride from NY to Myrtle Beach (740miles each way; 11:38 minutes travel time). I have a Leer cap and took off my Thule bars off the cap for this ride. I left my home at 2am and was blessed with some very uncluttered miles on 95. Extensive stretches of 85+ with cruise control to stretch the legs was really appreciated. Man after 85mph the gas mileage drops. Even without the Thule bars I saw 15.8 at those speeds. Drop down to 72 and I'm back to 18/18.5. Total drive average was 17.1 NOT hand calculated. I've found that with the LEER cap 18.8 at 70/72 is best I'm going to get. No cap at 70/72 I can see upper 19mpg.
I'm due for a UOA and will do one sometime early September after we get back. Posted earlier about moving to 5-30 over 0-20.
Do you have the 355 or 323 rear end?
UD
3.55 in mine
Originally Posted by BISCUT
UD:
I'm interested to see what happens for me with my 15 F150 OLM. First time I'm doing 7500k plus on an OCI. THis is more a family travel truck. We hit a lot of beaches and mountains. Mae the ride from NY to Myrtle Beach (740miles each way; 11:38 minutes travel time). I have a Leer cap and took off my Thule bars off the cap for this ride. I left my home at 2am and was blessed with some very uncluttered miles on 95. Extensive stretches of 85+ with cruise control to stretch the legs was really appreciated. Man after 85mph the gas mileage drops. Even without the Thule bars I saw 15.8 at those speeds. Drop down to 72 and I'm back to 18/18.5. Total drive average was 17.1 NOT hand calculated. I've found that with the LEER cap 18.8 at 70/72 is best I'm going to get. No cap at 70/72 I can see upper 19mpg.
I'm due for a UOA and will do one sometime early September after we get back. Posted earlier about moving to 5-30 over 0-20.
Do you have the 355 or 323 rear end?
UD
3.55 in mine
Well there is the problem here I have never experienced a situation were the iOLM wasn't tripped in a livery situation within 7K miles. Also a few stories on the interwebs does not mean a trend.
Honestly I would not be surprised if a few of these stories are from paid actors from the firm which has filed a few class action suits against Ford.
Honestly I would not be surprised if a few of these stories are from paid actors from the firm which has filed a few class action suits against Ford.
Originally Posted by BISCUT
Modern auto manufacturers and parts availability has really become a hot mess. And not just you Ford or Chevy. BMW has cut so lean that there are many with 75/90k dollar vehicles and in loaners for 3-8 weeks due to parts unavailable.
Frankly parts availability and what appears to be BMW intentionally designing plastic parts to only run for a certain period of time (and I don't men long term) I'm pulling myself away from a high dollar X5 that I REALLY am in love with.
Parts backorders are such a pain to deal with. Random parts are on backorder too. Like on a ton of 90s and 00s Ford cars and trucks with column shift, the tube that always breaks that the shifter pins to, that is on backorder with no date off.
Modern auto manufacturers and parts availability has really become a hot mess. And not just you Ford or Chevy. BMW has cut so lean that there are many with 75/90k dollar vehicles and in loaners for 3-8 weeks due to parts unavailable.
Frankly parts availability and what appears to be BMW intentionally designing plastic parts to only run for a certain period of time (and I don't men long term) I'm pulling myself away from a high dollar X5 that I REALLY am in love with.
Parts backorders are such a pain to deal with. Random parts are on backorder too. Like on a ton of 90s and 00s Ford cars and trucks with column shift, the tube that always breaks that the shifter pins to, that is on backorder with no date off.
If I owned an Ecoboost Truck Id feel as though Motorcraft Syn Blend might be inadequate for the task. Not knocking Motorcraft, it and the family of oils it belongs to (Kendall, Shield, Trop) are excellent oils, and I plan on using shield in my Ram, but I'd feel like it wouldnt be optimal for the turbo ecoboost application, especially when hauling.
For warranty purposes I'd find a full synthetic with a bigger dose of Moly, meets ford WS spec, and atleast an ACEA A1/A5.
Out of warranty? I'd use something like Redline 5w30/5w40, as it's on the thicker end of the weights.
Shoot, out of warranty I'd even look at something like Eneos Racing Street 0w50.
Are these trucks having issues with lubrication on the upper engine? I've honestly not looked much into Ford truck engines since the Mazda/Ford engine days.
For warranty purposes I'd find a full synthetic with a bigger dose of Moly, meets ford WS spec, and atleast an ACEA A1/A5.
Out of warranty? I'd use something like Redline 5w30/5w40, as it's on the thicker end of the weights.
Shoot, out of warranty I'd even look at something like Eneos Racing Street 0w50.
Are these trucks having issues with lubrication on the upper engine? I've honestly not looked much into Ford truck engines since the Mazda/Ford engine days.
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Originally Posted by GumbyJarvis
If I owned an Ecoboost Truck Id feel as though Motorcraft Syn Blend might be inadequate for the task. Not knocking Motorcraft, it and the family of oils it belongs to (Kendall, Shield, Trop) are excellent oils, and I plan on using shield in my Ram, but I'd feel like it wouldnt be optimal for the turbo ecoboost application, especially when hauling.
For warranty purposes I'd find a full synthetic with a bigger dose of Moly, meets ford WS spec, and atleast an ACEA A1/A5.
Out of warranty? I'd use something like Redline 5w30/5w40, as it's on the thicker end of the weights.
Shoot, out of warranty I'd even look at something like Eneos Racing Street 0w50.
Are these trucks having issues with lubrication on the upper engine? I've honestly not looked much into Ford truck engines since the Mazda/Ford engine days.
GumbyJarvis I did exactly what you have described in your post. I owned a 2011 3.5 and I as well didn't feel comfortable running MC. I drained the FF at 2500 and ran QSUD 5W-30 till I traded it off at 125K and never had a single issue and never added oil on 5K oci
If I owned an Ecoboost Truck Id feel as though Motorcraft Syn Blend might be inadequate for the task. Not knocking Motorcraft, it and the family of oils it belongs to (Kendall, Shield, Trop) are excellent oils, and I plan on using shield in my Ram, but I'd feel like it wouldnt be optimal for the turbo ecoboost application, especially when hauling.
For warranty purposes I'd find a full synthetic with a bigger dose of Moly, meets ford WS spec, and atleast an ACEA A1/A5.
Out of warranty? I'd use something like Redline 5w30/5w40, as it's on the thicker end of the weights.
Shoot, out of warranty I'd even look at something like Eneos Racing Street 0w50.
Are these trucks having issues with lubrication on the upper engine? I've honestly not looked much into Ford truck engines since the Mazda/Ford engine days.
GumbyJarvis I did exactly what you have described in your post. I owned a 2011 3.5 and I as well didn't feel comfortable running MC. I drained the FF at 2500 and ran QSUD 5W-30 till I traded it off at 125K and never had a single issue and never added oil on 5K oci
Originally Posted by BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Be curious to see the hour meter. Id bet the odometer only tells part of the story on this rig.
The more I read about valve train failures on 3.5 eco boosts, the less confidence I have in fords OLM system.
UD
Back in the day (a few years ago) all the rage around here was to trust the OLM as if it were a Bible. Me, being old school, would always comment about how I would NEVER trust a OLM and the fix for them is to put black electrical tape over them. Man, would I ever get hounded. Well, I still don't believe in them, and it seems this thread only proves my theory as well, NOT to trust them!
I understand that mentality, and dont remember anyone hurting an engine doing an early OCI - especially on a timing chain car with VVT hardware
That said I dont believe all OLM's are created equal- even i within brands some are better than others.
Hondas V6 for example seems well sorted out and with no chain to shear or wear extended OCI's become viable with little downside.
UD
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Be curious to see the hour meter. Id bet the odometer only tells part of the story on this rig.
The more I read about valve train failures on 3.5 eco boosts, the less confidence I have in fords OLM system.
UD
Back in the day (a few years ago) all the rage around here was to trust the OLM as if it were a Bible. Me, being old school, would always comment about how I would NEVER trust a OLM and the fix for them is to put black electrical tape over them. Man, would I ever get hounded. Well, I still don't believe in them, and it seems this thread only proves my theory as well, NOT to trust them!
I understand that mentality, and dont remember anyone hurting an engine doing an early OCI - especially on a timing chain car with VVT hardware
That said I dont believe all OLM's are created equal- even i within brands some are better than others.
Hondas V6 for example seems well sorted out and with no chain to shear or wear extended OCI's become viable with little downside.
UD
Originally Posted by BISCUT
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by BISCUT
UD:
I'm interested to see what happens for me with my 15 F150 OLM. First time I'm doing 7500k plus on an OCI. THis is more a family travel truck. We hit a lot of beaches and mountains. Mae the ride from NY to Myrtle Beach (740miles each way; 11:38 minutes travel time). I have a Leer cap and took off my Thule bars off the cap for this ride. I left my home at 2am and was blessed with some very uncluttered miles on 95. Extensive stretches of 85+ with cruise control to stretch the legs was really appreciated. Man after 85mph the gas mileage drops. Even without the Thule bars I saw 15.8 at those speeds. Drop down to 72 and I'm back to 18/18.5. Total drive average was 17.1 NOT hand calculated. I've found that with the LEER cap 18.8 at 70/72 is best I'm going to get. No cap at 70/72 I can see upper 19mpg.
I'm due for a UOA and will do one sometime early September after we get back. Posted earlier about moving to 5-30 over 0-20.
Do you have the 355 or 323 rear end?
UD
3.55 in mine
Thanks -
For the 6 speed trucks...
I got 21 in the 355 truck at 65-70 with three people in using the cruise control 95% of the time no agressive passing - grandpa road trip style.
Even one foot down " whooop" would kill that.
On the same route the 373 truck got 17-18
UD
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by BISCUT
UD:
I'm interested to see what happens for me with my 15 F150 OLM. First time I'm doing 7500k plus on an OCI. THis is more a family travel truck. We hit a lot of beaches and mountains. Mae the ride from NY to Myrtle Beach (740miles each way; 11:38 minutes travel time). I have a Leer cap and took off my Thule bars off the cap for this ride. I left my home at 2am and was blessed with some very uncluttered miles on 95. Extensive stretches of 85+ with cruise control to stretch the legs was really appreciated. Man after 85mph the gas mileage drops. Even without the Thule bars I saw 15.8 at those speeds. Drop down to 72 and I'm back to 18/18.5. Total drive average was 17.1 NOT hand calculated. I've found that with the LEER cap 18.8 at 70/72 is best I'm going to get. No cap at 70/72 I can see upper 19mpg.
I'm due for a UOA and will do one sometime early September after we get back. Posted earlier about moving to 5-30 over 0-20.
Do you have the 355 or 323 rear end?
UD
3.55 in mine
Thanks -
For the 6 speed trucks...
I got 21 in the 355 truck at 65-70 with three people in using the cruise control 95% of the time no agressive passing - grandpa road trip style.
Even one foot down " whooop" would kill that.
On the same route the 373 truck got 17-18
UD
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GumbyJarvis I did exactly what you have described in your post. I owned a 2011 3.5 and I as well didn't feel comfortable running MC. I drained the FF at 2500 and ran QSUD 5W-30 till I traded it off at 125K and never had a single issue and never added oil on 5K oci
Exactly. A turbocharged truck that has what? 400+ lb ft torque? 370 or so hp?
Again, I'm not knocking Motorcraft it's a good oil in most cases, but FoMoCo needs to look at something wayyyy more stout than a Synthetic Blend with low moly numbers. Something that is equal to or better than a full synthetic ACEA A1/A5 or Dexos 1 Gen 2.
Weve had numerous reports here of ecoboost engine oil smelling like straight gas, and have seen UOAs on here and F150 forums where Motorcraft in these applications shear to a 20 grade with some fuel dilution, it's pretty ridiculous and in the long run, ain't helping these engines or cams IMO.
fwiw, I'm not a "syn is god" person, I'll run anything from conventional to blend to synthetic except for a few cases, turbocharged applications are one of those cases where I'd be looking for Synthetic + Euro Specs.
GumbyJarvis I did exactly what you have described in your post. I owned a 2011 3.5 and I as well didn't feel comfortable running MC. I drained the FF at 2500 and ran QSUD 5W-30 till I traded it off at 125K and never had a single issue and never added oil on 5K oci
Exactly. A turbocharged truck that has what? 400+ lb ft torque? 370 or so hp?
Again, I'm not knocking Motorcraft it's a good oil in most cases, but FoMoCo needs to look at something wayyyy more stout than a Synthetic Blend with low moly numbers. Something that is equal to or better than a full synthetic ACEA A1/A5 or Dexos 1 Gen 2.
Weve had numerous reports here of ecoboost engine oil smelling like straight gas, and have seen UOAs on here and F150 forums where Motorcraft in these applications shear to a 20 grade with some fuel dilution, it's pretty ridiculous and in the long run, ain't helping these engines or cams IMO.
fwiw, I'm not a "syn is god" person, I'll run anything from conventional to blend to synthetic except for a few cases, turbocharged applications are one of those cases where I'd be looking for Synthetic + Euro Specs.
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Originally Posted by GumbyJarvis
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GumbyJarvis I did exactly what you have described in your post. I owned a 2011 3.5 and I as well didn't feel comfortable running MC. I drained the FF at 2500 and ran QSUD 5W-30 till I traded it off at 125K and never had a single issue and never added oil on 5K oci
Exactly. A turbocharged truck that has what? 400+ lb ft torque? 370 or so hp?
Again, I'm not knocking Motorcraft it's a good oil in most cases, but FoMoCo needs to look at something wayyyy more stout than a Synthetic Blend with low moly numbers. Something that is equal to or better than a full synthetic ACEA A1/A5 or Dexos 1 Gen 2.
Weve had numerous reports here of ecoboost engine oil smelling like straight gas, and have seen UOAs on here and F150 forums where Motorcraft in these applications shear to a 20 grade with some fuel dilution, it's pretty ridiculous and in the long run, ain't helping these engines or cams IMO.
fwiw, I'm not a "syn is god" person, I'll run anything from conventional to blend to synthetic except for a few cases, turbocharged applications are one of those cases where I'd be looking for Synthetic + Euro Specs.
Your right, Ford needs to FF Ecoboost engines with synthetic and that's just my opinion. Even though the turbos are water cooled those things get hot as hail 🔥 and Ecoboost owners can by QSUD for the same price as MC syn Blend at Wally World
And right now RGT is even cheaper than both of those with the $10 rebate
So why not
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GumbyJarvis I did exactly what you have described in your post. I owned a 2011 3.5 and I as well didn't feel comfortable running MC. I drained the FF at 2500 and ran QSUD 5W-30 till I traded it off at 125K and never had a single issue and never added oil on 5K oci
Exactly. A turbocharged truck that has what? 400+ lb ft torque? 370 or so hp?
Again, I'm not knocking Motorcraft it's a good oil in most cases, but FoMoCo needs to look at something wayyyy more stout than a Synthetic Blend with low moly numbers. Something that is equal to or better than a full synthetic ACEA A1/A5 or Dexos 1 Gen 2.
Weve had numerous reports here of ecoboost engine oil smelling like straight gas, and have seen UOAs on here and F150 forums where Motorcraft in these applications shear to a 20 grade with some fuel dilution, it's pretty ridiculous and in the long run, ain't helping these engines or cams IMO.
fwiw, I'm not a "syn is god" person, I'll run anything from conventional to blend to synthetic except for a few cases, turbocharged applications are one of those cases where I'd be looking for Synthetic + Euro Specs.
Your right, Ford needs to FF Ecoboost engines with synthetic and that's just my opinion. Even though the turbos are water cooled those things get hot as hail 🔥 and Ecoboost owners can by QSUD for the same price as MC syn Blend at Wally World
And right now RGT is even cheaper than both of those with the $10 rebate
So why not
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