How well would the U.S. survive a collapse?

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I am no Texa-Republican Separatist .....

However I am confident Texas may be able to survive independently albeit with some "foreign trade" involved. The infrastructure and super economy is already in place here. Major highways, 4-hub airports (DFW, IAH, DAL), heavy manufacturing, medical & law schools, and major academic centers (UT-Austin), Military centers (Ft Hood-USA, San Antonio-USAFville) Natural Gas Fields (Barnett Shale formation, largest in US), off shore crude (Gulf of Mexico) .... and the economic & cultural connections/proximity with Mexico may ensure steady trade of produce and labor.

California may also have similar independent strength, but I will defer to Kalifornastanians for thier opinion.
 
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I am no Texa-Republican Separatist .....

However I am confident Texas may be able to survive independently albeit with some "foreign trade" involved. The infrastructure and super economy is already in place here. Major highways, 4-hub airports (DFW, IAH, DAL), heavy manufacturing, medical & law schools, and major academic centers (UT-Austin), Military centers (Ft Hood-USA, San Antonio-USAFville) Natural Gas Fields (Barnett Shale formation, largest in US), off shore crude (Gulf of Mexico) .... and the economic & cultural connections/proximity with Mexico may ensure steady trade of produce and labor.

California may also have similar independent strength, but I will defer to Kalifornastanians for thier opinion.


I think OK would join TX if it came down to it. Secede from the rest of the whiny states. :)
 
Hey, New Mexico would like to join Texanistan. We've got green chili, fossil fuel deposits, and a few UFO museums to offer. Oh, and a heck of a lot of nukes. :)
 
From the article, I especially liked this:

"The latest innovation is the photo finish election, where each party buys 50% of the vote, and the result is pulled out of statistical noise, like a rabbit out of a hat."
 
Originally Posted By: outrun
I am no Texa-Republican Separatist .....

However I am confident Texas may be able to survive independently albeit with some "foreign trade" involved. The infrastructure and super economy is already in place here. Major highways, 4-hub airports (DFW, IAH, DAL), heavy manufacturing, medical & law schools, and major academic centers (UT-Austin), Military centers (Ft Hood-USA, San Antonio-USAFville) Natural Gas Fields (Barnett Shale formation, largest in US), off shore crude (Gulf of Mexico) .... and the economic & cultural connections/proximity with Mexico may ensure steady trade of produce and labor.

California may also have similar independent strength, but I will defer to Kalifornastanians for thier opinion.


Texas rocks!
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Wow, there are alot of good points in that presentation. He is so right that the vast majority of people in the US and Canada have no real survival skills anymore. Most are totally reliant on the good folks at the grocery store who import food from 1000's of miles away, and junk from walmart...

I think the problem with a capitalist society during a collapse is that more and more useful assets get owned by fewer people until the majority have to break the laws of the society to survive... And once people begin breaking property and possesion laws its hard to stop there. The free market won't be very fun when people think everything is "free" at gunpoint...

We are more self sufficient than most, but we would still need the vast majority of people who aren't self sufficient to suffer queitly and lawfully, and let us live in peace to survive...
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
So what is his angle?


Other than the book he's selling, it appears to be just another one of those articles that attempts to maintain the superiority of the now collapsed Soviet System.

And like usual it's written by an author who's now living in the west. That in itself is telling I think.
 
I feel that he made some well thought out points and I would suppose they would hold true to some extent.

It was interesting to read what is going to happen to property owners. Maybe being communist will prevail in the end.

I'm gonna write a book--How to be a happy communist and make millions.
 
If there were hyperinflation, there would be a period between getting a hyper raise, and getting laid off, which would provide an excellent opportunity to pay off one's fixed mortgage.

Alternatively, the gov't would pass, say, a 90-day moritorium on foreclosures... which would either be continuously renewed or foreclosure action ignored. Either way people presently in houses would wind up squatting in them.

This reads like another peak oil or bird flu doomsday article with little new material.
 
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I think the problem with a capitalist society during a collapse is that more and more useful assets get owned by fewer people until the majority have to break the laws of the society to survive... And once people begin breaking property and possesion laws its hard to stop there. The free market won't be very fun when people think everything is "free" at gunpoint...


Calling Tempest ..Call for Mr. Tempest

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We are more self sufficient than most, but we would still need the vast majority of people who aren't self sufficient to suffer queitly and lawfully, and let us live in peace to survive...


Depending on who you're referring to by "we" .. I've often found it such side splitting comedy to hear some expect civil obedience in the midst of poverty and despair while viewing it from comfort and security.

It's a foolish notion.
 
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I think the problem with a capitalist society during a collapse is that more and more useful assets get owned by fewer people until the majority have to break the laws of the society to survive... And once people begin breaking property and possesion laws its hard to stop there. The free market won't be very fun when people think everything is "free" at gunpoint...


Calling Tempest ..Call for Mr. Tempest

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We are more self sufficient than most, but we would still need the vast majority of people who aren't self sufficient to suffer queitly and lawfully, and let us live in peace to survive...


Depending on who you're referring to by "we" .. I've often found it such side splitting comedy to hear some expect civil obedience in the midst of poverty and despair while viewing it from comfort and security.

It's a foolish notion.

I'm not sure who Mr. Tempest is, please explain.

Also I totally agree with you on your second point, by "we" I meant my family, I have no illusions that the 3+ million people within 4 days walk of my place will be well behaved if they were starving to death...

I don't obsess over the collapse of western civilization but these days its worth some thought... Even how to survive on one or no income, a personal financial collapse, is worth thinking about.

In the month of August the only things we bought from the grocery store was coffee and breakfast cereal... We ate very well from buying directly from local producers and our own backyard.
Buying locally as an exercise probably would be a good test of how collapse proof your area is now. If you can't buy food produced within 30-40 miles, don't expect it to magically appear when the shelf is bare at the grocery store.
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I've got my tools and a few street smarts. The best part is that the people who most depend on society's function to survive, such as those in the cities, often know the least of how to maintain/repair the mechanism.

If a collapse does happen, the people who seemingly know everybody will be the ones who rise to the top. They'll be the ones having to pull in favors and mediate between competing factions to get things done. Except it will be for much bigger stakes than the PTA bake sale...
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Is this the same Russian dude who proclaimed the US to be on the brink of collapse and would separate into 5 different countries?



No, that was this guy -

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

I always wondered why he didn't predict the fall of the USSR.
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I suppose the guy who wrote the first article has a point in a way. The people in the USSR might have been more prepared for the fall of their economic system since it was barely functional in the first place.
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I'm not sure who Mr. Tempest is, please explain.


My good friend ..Tempest. Our resident Natural Law anarchist
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He wants to help those who (when the "stuff hits the fan") can "help themselves" ..so to speak.
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(only semi j/k).

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Buying locally as an exercise probably would be a good test of how collapse proof your area is now. If you can't buy food produced within 30-40 miles, don't expect it to magically appear when the shelf is bare at the grocery store.


We're totally at the mercy of mass availability. I'm too close to a 4M+ population major metro area. I doubt that there's 2 days of supply in the pipeline at any time for just about everything.

Even getting to a strategic remote location (like our relative's "half mountain" where the deer and critters play) would be like running a gauntlet.
 
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