How much over the speed limit is too much?

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by zorobabel
Originally Posted by StevieC

As for sitting in traffic, that is created by idiots that are too afraid to go over the limit because they think that speed itself causes accidents when it's anything but the speed itself. It's the skill level and the conditions not warranting the speed. How are they ever going to learn to operate a vehicle at a higher rate of speed without proper education and the chance to actually go faster if we keep telling them that the speed itself is the cause of accidents and not other factors or other factors combined with the speed that I mentioned.

Sitting in traffic means going the speed limit in Ontario, and you're complaining LOL. Around here it means stop and go traffic on the freeway ... for hours.
Similar freeways in California and Montana have 65mph vs 80mph limits - must be the harsh weather here.
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.


You clearly don't know Toronto and surrounding area traffic. We have 2 rush-hours. All day and all night on the 401.




Alright, so sitting in traffic makes the speed limit issue moot. Why are you confusing these two scenarios?

 

[StevieC]

There are places without traffic. Like our really expensive Hwy 407 toll road at $0.40/km

 

[Pew]

Originally Posted by StevieC
You clearly don't know Toronto and surrounding area traffic. We have 2 rush-hours. All day and all night on the 401.


I've found that a handful of times of me driving around in Canada (Toronto included) to be better than any metro/surrounding areas in the US at the same given time. I actually feel at peace in Canada's traffic versus anything down here.

 

[zorobabel]

Originally Posted by StevieC

You clearly don't know Toronto and surrounding area traffic. We have 2 rush-hours. All day and all night on the 401.

Nice

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by Pew
Originally Posted by StevieC
You clearly don't know Toronto and surrounding area traffic. We have 2 rush-hours. All day and all night on the 401.


I've found that a handful of times of me driving around in Canada (Toronto included) to be better than any metro/surrounding areas in the US at the same given time. I actually feel at peace in Canada's traffic versus anything down here.


Were you here in the summer or a long weekend? Since "back to school" the roads have been a nightmare through the week. I commute over 100km to my office and back on the days I'm in the office and if I didn't have my 407 (toll highway) paid for I would literally be stuck in traffic 3 hours each way.

 

[Pew]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by Pew
Originally Posted by StevieC
You clearly don't know Toronto and surrounding area traffic. We have 2 rush-hours. All day and all night on the 401.


I've found that a handful of times of me driving around in Canada (Toronto included) to be better than any metro/surrounding areas in the US at the same given time. I actually feel at peace in Canada's traffic versus anything down here.


Were you here in the summer or a long weekend? Since "back to school" the roads have been a nightmare through the week. I commute over 100km to my office and back on the days I'm in the office and if I didn't have my 407 (toll highway) paid for I would literally be stuck in traffic 3 hours each way.


Both actually, from Chicago to your rocky mountains last September (that was a long and boring drive) and then to Toronto last month during a weekend. The Seattle/Tacoma area seems to have traffic out for no reason (like dead-stop traffic for 3 miles at 5AM). Then Chicago, god forbid you have to touch any of the three highways that lead in/out of it during any weekday. I imagine Los Angeles to have the worst traffic though.

 

[StevieC]

Weekend Toronto isn't weekday Toronto and yes Chicago traffic is bad. I was there last week for IMTS. The cab drivers are nuts there.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by irv
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by irv
Originally Posted by Shannow
You've been ranting about your safe driving over the limit in the wrong lane while getting tailgated by maniacs for a decade.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-tailgaters-get-this-product#Post1278177


This ^^

It is quite clear to me, and likely most everyone else as well, that Grampi likely encounters roadraged drivers, gets flipped the bird or honked at quite consistently.

Despite those incidents and what he is told here, in his mind, he still doesn't accept that fact, but because this likely happens quite often to him, he posts over and over again trying to convince others that it is not his fault, but all of our's.

I never get honked at. I stay out of the left lane unless I'm passing, but that doesn't stop the idiots who are driving 20+ MPH over the limit...what fault am I at? You sound like one of the people who drive 20+ and think it's the people who drive closer to the limit who are the problem...


Grampi, because you say you only go 5 over the speed limit, when you are passing someone, do you ever exceed your self imposed limit of 5 mph when doing so?
For example, say the road/hwy you are on has a speed limit of 60 mph. When passing someone who say is doing 63, do you pass that vehicle only doing 65 or do you pass them at a little more faster pace than that, especially if someone is right behind you also wanting to pass?

Personally, since you asked, I usually cap my speed at around 20 over on a hwy. Despite that, I am likely viewed by you as being a maniac or an unlawful abiding idiot that should be arrested, but I still get passed by people and I have no qualms about that. That is their business/choice, which doesn't affect me at all.

If I am passing someone and someone is behind me also looking to pass, I will pick up the pace (if safe to do so) if I am passing that vehicle rather slowly. Never in my life have I ever considered getting a sign to hang off of my rear deck/bumper to tell the people behind me to back off.

I said I usually drive no more than 5 over the limit, but I will go faster long enough to make a pass when necessary. Since you drive 20 over, do you have an amount over the limit that you think is too fast?

 

[vavavroom]

Originally Posted by grampi


While I agree that slower drivers should move right, who is more wrong, the driver driving in the left lane at the speed limit holding other drivers up, or those speeding?




In most states the left lane is considered the passing lane and it is to be used only as such. If you go the speed limit in the left lane and speeders pass you, you all should get tickets.

 

[spasm3]

Every time i see a left lane control freak, it causes packs of cars on the highway. Packs of cars seem to me to be more dangerous and when traffic backs up, emergency vehicles have to wait for cars to figure out how to get or of the way. Everyone slows down and then its harder for traffic to get in the right lane. Also packs of cars jamming up the left lane makes it much more difficult for Law enforcement to catch and ticket speeders in front of the "pack".

 

[Leo99]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by zorobabel
Originally Posted by StevieC

As for sitting in traffic, that is created by idiots that are too afraid to go over the limit because they think that speed itself causes accidents when it's anything but the speed itself. It's the skill level and the conditions not warranting the speed. How are they ever going to learn to operate a vehicle at a higher rate of speed without proper education and the chance to actually go faster if we keep telling them that the speed itself is the cause of accidents and not other factors or other factors combined with the speed that I mentioned.

Sitting in traffic means going the speed limit in Ontario, and you're complaining LOL. Around here it means stop and go traffic on the freeway ... for hours.
Similar freeways in California and Montana have 65mph vs 80mph limits - must be the harsh weather here.
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.


You clearly don't know Toronto and surrounding area traffic. We have 2 rush-hours. All day and all night on the 401.


I know a little about the 401. It's not good. Where are all the cars coming from?

 

[irv]

Originally Posted by Leo99
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by zorobabel
Originally Posted by StevieC

As for sitting in traffic, that is created by idiots that are too afraid to go over the limit because they think that speed itself causes accidents when it's anything but the speed itself. It's the skill level and the conditions not warranting the speed. How are they ever going to learn to operate a vehicle at a higher rate of speed without proper education and the chance to actually go faster if we keep telling them that the speed itself is the cause of accidents and not other factors or other factors combined with the speed that I mentioned.

Sitting in traffic means going the speed limit in Ontario, and you're complaining LOL. Around here it means stop and go traffic on the freeway ... for hours.
Similar freeways in California and Montana have 65mph vs 80mph limits - must be the harsh weather here.
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.


You clearly don't know Toronto and surrounding area traffic. We have 2 rush-hours. All day and all night on the 401.


I know a little about the 401. It's not good. Where are all the cars coming from?


Population explosion and our last Liberal Gov't who lowered the standards saying driving is a right and not a privilege so everyone who wants to drive, whether they can or not, gets a license.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by irv
Population explosion and our last Liberal Gov't who lowered the standards saying driving is a right and not a privilege ...


Driving has never been a right in the US. Some people here don't even think they need a license to drive.

 

[oilpsi2high]

Ask any judge and they'll tell you 1 MPH.

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted by oilpsi2high
Ask any judge and they'll tell you 1 MPH.


I've been a judge(full time/retired) since 1986. My answer would be: "It depends."

 

[Garak]

Here, a judge will say 1 km/h over the limit is speeding. Bring someone in for speeding 1 km/h over the limit, though, and they might leave with a $1 fine, assuming they're convicted in the first place.

 

[asiancivicmaniac]

Around town, I usually do 5 over, but the blue hair population usually do speed limit or 5-10 under so it's harder to speed here. On the highway I go speed limit to 10 over unless I'm the slowest one and start becoming an obstacle. Then I try to match traffic. Most recently, I was on alligator alley (section of I75 between Miami and Naples) and there were barely any cars around and no police so I floored it and got up to about 110 for maybe 10-15 seconds just to see how it feels before backing off and resuming normal cruising speed. Of course, all this assumes normal road conditions without any special circumstances like road work, school zones, etc.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by spasm3
Every time i see a left lane control freak, it causes packs of cars on the highway. Packs of cars seem to me to be more dangerous and when traffic backs up, emergency vehicles have to wait for cars to figure out how to get or of the way. Everyone slows down and then its harder for traffic to get in the right lane. Also packs of cars jamming up the left lane makes it much more difficult for Law enforcement to catch and ticket speeders in front of the "pack".


I wouldn't say most of the left lane campers I encounter are control freaks. I'd say they're more like clueless morons. Most of these people act like they're the only driver on the road and they don't have clue about what's going on around them...

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted by grampi


I wouldn't say most of the left lane campers I encounter are control freaks. I'd say they're more like clueless morons. Most of these people act like they're the only driver on the road and they don't have clue about what's going on around them...



Agreed. I came up on a left lane camper over the weekend doing 57 mph. I expected it to be some texting idiot, but instead it was a middle aged woman doing her best.

 

[k1xv]

Whether you are "speeding" by being over the posted limit depends on degree and duration.

So, for example, cruising along on cruise control set at 70 in a 60 zone is, in my book, speeding. However, in the same 60 zone, if you are passing a slower 18 wheeler and during the pass, hit 75 mph, and slow back down after the pass is accomplished, that is not speeding.