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Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
It comes down to this:

-Most people know absolutely nothing about cars besides what they hear from the media or their friends
-Most of these auto testing groups are media-based, so they can be swayed to provide biased misinformation
-Everyone has different taste and requirements


I agree 100% I buy my vehicles to meet MY needs and MY budget. I could not care less what anyone else thinks.
 
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Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
If you bought an i3 the paint finish will look new, except for key marks from jealous people. Why will it look new? Is it BMW's new super-eco freak water based paint? No... it will always be in the garage getting repaired.

Literally what?

Take your misguided rant elsewhere.



hahaha, it was a JOKE!

Don't give a hoot about anyone else's opinions, I buy what tickles my fancy. I also keep them longer than most, my sig car is heading into its 13th year at nearly 110k miles...
 
I've bought new cars in the past. Before I learned how financially stupid it was to do so. I buy a vehicle based on how it will suit my needs. Since I'm a surfer and have been most of my life, that influences my car buying. I started out with station wagons but the auto industry pretty much did away with them replacing them with SUVs. I'm OK with that...certainly eliminates the lack of choice issue. I have enjoyed owning the Volvo XC90, the Jeep Cherokee. ..in its last year of being the quintissenstial SUV...2001. Getting ready to sell it with 268,000 miles on it.
Decided to go American again....2009 Lincoln MKX w/55,000 on it. A gussied up Ford Edge but I like it and it is well put together.

I am sceptical of Asian cars but for Mazda. I looked at the CX9. It's a great SUV IMO. I like to take note of mainstream vehicles that are 10-15 years old and there are plenty still on the road. What you don't see is: BMWs, VWs, Mitsubishis and some others.
 
[/quote=MCompact] I agree 100% I buy my vehicles to meet MY needs and MY budget. I could not care less what anyone else thinks.[/quote]

Yes, my whole point. I too now buy vehicles that fit my needs rather than buying the highest rated/scoring/reliable car in a segment. They're all quite good & reliable these days, even NISSAN!
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Toros said:
I've bought new cars in the past. Before I learned how financially stupid it was to do so.

And I too am buying pre owned or certified vehicles as well and getting not only what fits my needs but at a le$$er price now than ever before.
 
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Please explain how buying a new car is financially stupid.
Do so using numbers for ten years and 150K of ownership and not by quoting some self-proclaimed personal finance guru.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Please explain how buying a new car is financially stupid.
Do so using numbers for ten years and 150K of ownership and not by quoting some self-proclaimed personal finance guru.


You can find good deals on used cars.... other times the seller is unrealistic and it makes more sense to buy brand new.
 
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Please explain how buying a new car is financially stupid.
Do so using numbers for ten years and 150K of ownership and not by quoting some self-proclaimed personal finance guru.


You can find good deals on used cars.... other times the seller is unrealistic and it makes more sense to buy brand new.



You can and we have but you can also find good deals on new cars that come with full factory warranty, free money financing and no potentially dodgy maintenance or driving habits from a previous owner.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Please explain how buying a new car is financially stupid.
Do so using numbers for ten years and 150K of ownership and not by quoting some self-proclaimed personal finance guru.


excellent point. When you keep them a long time they can work out quite nicely...
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Please explain how buying a new car is financially stupid.
Do so using numbers for ten years and 150K of ownership and not by quoting some self-proclaimed personal finance guru.


If you don't understand the concept of depreciation you are an idiot and I'm not schooling you on it here.
 
Originally Posted By: Toros
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Please explain how buying a new car is financially stupid.
Do so using numbers for ten years and 150K of ownership and not by quoting some self-proclaimed personal finance guru.


If you don't understand the concept of depreciation you are an idiot and I'm not schooling you on it here.


It depends, used car inventory was severely depressed the last couple of years and the cost per mile for used was more than new. You need to run the numbers for the vehicle you're buying in your location and decide. If you're keeping something 10 years or more the savings is so insignificant it's usually not worth buying used, but that's a concept I'm not going to school an idiot on here.
 
Originally Posted By: HM12460
Car magazine review's and .90 will buy you a cup of coffee. Reliability, fuel economy, comfort, and ease of entering/exiting are my priorities. Most of these are not reviewed or commented on. I looked at the new Chevy Colorado as I like that size in a truck, and being the Motor Trend truck of the year, thought it was worth looking at. I found it difficult to enter. The roof line was too low and the sill plate was too high. Do your homework as best you can and buy whatever it is that blows your hair back!


Pretty typical. Some cars have just awful visibility out the windows. That's a real-life practical concern, but one rarely even discussed by the car writers. Esae of entry and exit is too. Never discussed. Durability was practically a taboo in the old days. If the Car magazines liked, say, the (highly prepped) FIAT 128 for the week or two they drove it then that was that. It was aces.

Had some friends in Phoenix, years ago who were discussing A VW compared to I think an Isuzu. (As I said, it was years ago). Why VW I asked? "The airconditioning" they replied. Everyone knows that VWs have the best air conditioning.

Well, no, I didn't know that. I expect it was true, but you never would have read it anywwhere.
 
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Originally Posted By: Toros
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Please explain how buying a new car is financially stupid.
Do so using numbers for ten years and 150K of ownership and not by quoting some self-proclaimed personal finance guru.


If you don't understand the concept of depreciation you are an idiot and I'm not schooling you on it here.


IOW, you can't come up with a good argument supported with any sort of arithmetic.
I've done the numbers many times and there is little to favor buying used other than that's what you can afford.
If you actually do the arithmetic, there is little or nothing to be saved on a cost per mile basis in buying a used car.
Depreciation matters if and only if one trades off cars frequently and those that do should probably be leasing, unless they dispose of cars regularly because they do really heroic annual mileage.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: Toros
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Please explain how buying a new car is financially stupid.
Do so using numbers for ten years and 150K of ownership and not by quoting some self-proclaimed personal finance guru.


If you don't understand the concept of depreciation you are an idiot and I'm not schooling you on it here.


IOW, you can't come up with a good argument supported with any sort of arithmetic.
I've done the numbers many times and there is little to favor buying used other than that's what you can afford.
If you actually do the arithmetic, there is little or nothing to be saved on a cost per mile basis in buying a used car.
Depreciation matters if and only if one trades off cars frequently and those that do should probably be leasing, unless they dispose of cars regularly because they do really heroic annual mileage.


I pay cash for cars. I could care less about zero financing options as they are usually [censored] cars that are being offered. Now if you find it prudent to pay cash for a $45,000.00 car that's worth $25,000.00 in three years with 36K on the clock you are a genius. I would rather put that capital to work for me earning money, not losing it. Investments, real estate...whatever. But not a car. It's a commodity to me. You get one when you want or need one. I bought a 2009 Lincoln MKX from a Lincoln dealer for 14,000.00 with 55k on it. I'll drive it to 150K or so than give it to one of my kids or sell it or trade it. In any event, it's smarter financially than plunking 46 or 50,000 for a new one. Listen pal, if driving a new car is important to you. Go for it. I'd rather drive a used car snd have my beach house and home in Tucson than parade around in a 55,000.00 car. But that's just me.
 
Still no cost per mile numbers to validate your claim, only some generalizations of dubious validity along with a few gratuitous insults?
About what I expected.
Certain cars have unusually heavy depreciation which can make them look like a good buy used, but that's typically because either nobody wants them or because they have a well earned record of being expensive to keep and use.
We have another member here who drives a mid-level Mercedes for which he paid less than what we paid for either of our newer cars.
Want to take a guess as to why I didn't avail myself of such a deal?
Anyway, it's all good.
Enjoy life in PA.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Please explain how buying a new car is financially stupid.
Do so using numbers for ten years and 150K of ownership and not by quoting some self-proclaimed personal finance guru.


If you buy a new car and keep it 10 years or 150k miles it makes sense. Not many people do that.

Most people who buy brand new cars keep them 5 years max then get a new one. That is where it usually isn't the best financial decision because it is the time period where the car experiences the greatest depreciation. Buying one off lease that has been well maintained and is in good shape is probably the biggest bang for the buck.
 
The advantage in buying new is that you know exactly what you're getting which is never the case with any used car.
We've bought six new cars in the past 34 years.
1. 1986 Civic Wagon, kept 17 years and 203K, brakes, tires, a couple of batteries, a starter, a fuel pump, a clutch and the timing belt and that was it. Last car we bought without AC.
2. 1997 Aerostar 3.0, kept for 14 years and 175K, brakes, tires, a battery, a starter and that was it.
3. 1999 Accord LX (VTEC), kept 13 years and 175K, brakes, tires, a battery, a starter, a clutch and a timing belt and that was it.
4. 2009 Forester PP, now a little under 100K. Tires, brakes, a battery and just had the timing belt done. Active vehicle.
5. 2012 Accord LXP, around 75K now, needed the OEM tires replaced last year. Active vehicle.
6. 2017 Forester PP, bought in July, around 4K now. Active vehicle.

We buy them and keep them. According to my calculations, there would have been no savings per mile of use in buying comparable vehicles that already had years and mileage on them and that would also have involved dealing with vehicles that had already seen potentially poor maintenance as well as bad driving habits. All of these cars were also bought at prices that would have made a used example look like a foolish purchase. There are no great deals on used recent model year Hondas or Subarus and the Aerostar was unbelievably cheap ( Anyway, my point is that buying new makes a lot of financial sense if you treat the car as a long-term investment in transportation, the value of which is measured in cents per mile of use including repairs.
If anyone thinks that buying cars new or buying something used and cheap is the difference between wealth and penury then they either don't have a very healthy family income or they don't know how to manage their money in general.
Also note that none of the new vehicles we've bought have been at all extravagant although we've gotten great utility out of all of them.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Still no cost per mile numbers to validate your claim, only some generalizations of dubious validity along with a few gratuitous insults?
About what I expected.
Certain cars have unusually heavy depreciation which can make them look like a good buy used, but that's typically because either nobody wants them or because they have a well earned record of being expensive to keep and use.
We have another member here who drives a mid-level Mercedes for which he paid less than what we paid for either of our newer cars.
Want to take a guess as to why I didn't avail myself of such a deal?
Anyway, it's all good.
Enjoy life in PA.


It's more like generalization from the masses. I think if you do your research, certain years and models are better than others. I stayed away from the 2006-2007 E-350 as those were known to have balance shaft problems. Early 2003 E-320's were also pretty bad. So far I've put about 40k on my E-350 and maintenance hasn't been too crazy. The forums help for some things and the indy I take it to is pretty cheap. It'd be pretty crazy at the dealer, heard them quote one guy $1000 for front brakes which includes rotors and pads. But I just did a pad slap, rotors were thick enough and the front and rears cost me about $170 including brake flush at an indy. That was about $100 for the pads, $50 for labor and $20 for the fluid. Or go to the dealer and pay $1k+. And I do my own oil change instead of $300 at the dealer, Autozone clearance oil at $17 for 8.5 quarts plus another $5 for the cartridge filter.
 
Well, you did do your homework before you bought the car and you've kept costs in check through understanding that a 1K brake job with new rotors might not really be necessary as well as by doing your own oil changes.
You've also found an indy who is willing to work with you.
You've done everything right and have enjoyed a blissfully inexpensive ownership experience to date.
This is not the norm for most used Mercedes buyers, who will buy one of the known (unknown to them) troublesome models because its cheap, looks nice, has lots of toys and, of course, wears the star while remaining blissfully unaware of the wallet draining demons ready to unleash their destruction.
Used Mercedes and BMW cars are pretty cheap with good reason, but as your experience indicates, a buyer who has done his research may well score a very nice car for cheap and may continue to enjoy low costs of ownership for some years and miles.
You did get a bargain on this Benz and given the amount of research you've done, you are probably also aware that any Mercedes dealer can order any part for literally any car and their parts prices aren't all that awful, probably no worse than what Honda, Toyota or Subaru dealers get for dealer only parts.
When we owned Mercedes cars, I was very impressed with how reasonable parts prices were.
 
Well, buying new can help with the "transaction cost" of ownership. Basically, the spread between selling at wholesale and buying at retail, which, by definition is what we all do. It's easier to buy and hold with a new car.

I'd include used car risk as a transaction cost. That low mileage Toyota is a good risk, but you never know. It won't be covered by a warranty like a new car.
 
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