Originally Posted By: Traction
Originally Posted By: AboutTires
Once again you folks have given me a great idea for an article. My Tire Review column is aimed at tire techs, and I have in mind an article on what to do when the balancer starts "chasing weights" like that.
Zzyzzx: Can I use your picture for the article? It's a perfect illustration of what not to do.
CapriRacer: I would say that there are four possible causes for this.
1. A serious imbalance, maybe fixable by match mounting with a road force balancer.
2. Tire and/or wheel out of round, sometimes also fixable by match mounting.
3. Bad centering, either because the cone is in wrong or the hub center is damaged. Maybe needs lug centering.
4. Bad balancer calibration.
Any other causes/remedies you can think of?
Water or something in the tire. I hate to admit it, but a couple of years ago I had 1 tire out of 4 that I kept chasing weights around. Drove me crazy. Finally pulled the tire back off, and there was the packing slip that I'd forgot I stuck inside of the tire. Couldn't believe how much just a piece of paper screwed up the balancing.
First, I think that if a balancer is functioning correctly, the original call for weights would be pretty close - that the check spin should only result in the smallest increment - 5 grams or 1/4 oz. That's round off error.
If the 2nd check spin doesn't zero out, then it's time to check things.
If the 1st check spin calls for more than 5 grams (1/4 oz), look for something loose or perhaps something inside the tire. The 1st check spin not only should be close, but the call for weights ought to be either AT the previous weight location or 180° opposite. In other words, it's round off error.
If 1st check spin calls for weights somewhere other at or 180°, then check the set up. (OK, be careful not to over think this. 150° is close enough to 180° for it not to be a difference.)
I suspect that photo is just somebody being cute.
And lastly, I think it is important that the difference between RoadForce Balancing and regular balancing be explained. It's bad enough that the average guy doesn't know the difference, but tire techs ought to learn and not confuse the 2.
Originally Posted By: AboutTires
Once again you folks have given me a great idea for an article. My Tire Review column is aimed at tire techs, and I have in mind an article on what to do when the balancer starts "chasing weights" like that.
Zzyzzx: Can I use your picture for the article? It's a perfect illustration of what not to do.
CapriRacer: I would say that there are four possible causes for this.
1. A serious imbalance, maybe fixable by match mounting with a road force balancer.
2. Tire and/or wheel out of round, sometimes also fixable by match mounting.
3. Bad centering, either because the cone is in wrong or the hub center is damaged. Maybe needs lug centering.
4. Bad balancer calibration.
Any other causes/remedies you can think of?
Water or something in the tire. I hate to admit it, but a couple of years ago I had 1 tire out of 4 that I kept chasing weights around. Drove me crazy. Finally pulled the tire back off, and there was the packing slip that I'd forgot I stuck inside of the tire. Couldn't believe how much just a piece of paper screwed up the balancing.
First, I think that if a balancer is functioning correctly, the original call for weights would be pretty close - that the check spin should only result in the smallest increment - 5 grams or 1/4 oz. That's round off error.
If the 2nd check spin doesn't zero out, then it's time to check things.
If the 1st check spin calls for more than 5 grams (1/4 oz), look for something loose or perhaps something inside the tire. The 1st check spin not only should be close, but the call for weights ought to be either AT the previous weight location or 180° opposite. In other words, it's round off error.
If 1st check spin calls for weights somewhere other at or 180°, then check the set up. (OK, be careful not to over think this. 150° is close enough to 180° for it not to be a difference.)
I suspect that photo is just somebody being cute.
And lastly, I think it is important that the difference between RoadForce Balancing and regular balancing be explained. It's bad enough that the average guy doesn't know the difference, but tire techs ought to learn and not confuse the 2.