He was a little too serious about oil filters. He need some BITOG to patronize his products of preference.
Got chewed out in Advance today...
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Originally Posted By: rudolphna
So, I was in advance waiting to get the code scanner for my CEL, and I was talking to a guy about oil filters, and we were talking about how fram is [censored], and this one guy just comes up and starts screaming at us about how we didn't know anything, we were stupid and idiots and worked for purolator, that he's used fram his entire life and his dad before him blah blah blah. I was like O_O OMG really? He finally just left in a huff, and me and everyone else in the store were just like ummm... That guy is off his rocker.. It was very, very strange.
Classic example of what happens when someone believes something strongly and has little or no real evidence for it. All you have to do is say you disagree in a semi-credible way and they feel threatened.
Although, yelling in an auto parts store at people who weren't even talking to him is taking it to another level...
So, I was in advance waiting to get the code scanner for my CEL, and I was talking to a guy about oil filters, and we were talking about how fram is [censored], and this one guy just comes up and starts screaming at us about how we didn't know anything, we were stupid and idiots and worked for purolator, that he's used fram his entire life and his dad before him blah blah blah. I was like O_O OMG really? He finally just left in a huff, and me and everyone else in the store were just like ummm... That guy is off his rocker.. It was very, very strange.
Classic example of what happens when someone believes something strongly and has little or no real evidence for it. All you have to do is say you disagree in a semi-credible way and they feel threatened.
Although, yelling in an auto parts store at people who weren't even talking to him is taking it to another level...
Originally Posted By: Johnny248
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Well, I did use a fram. Never again. It looked pretty beat when I pulled it.
That may be true, but I have never seen any engine ruined as a result of using an oil filter that may not be as good as another filter.
I don't think it hurt the engine. But when I see the 1st filter I pulled out, and it is in the same shape it was when I put it in....
Compared to the Fram, in which it looked like I put the Jaws of Life between the pleats....
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Well, I did use a fram. Never again. It looked pretty beat when I pulled it.
That may be true, but I have never seen any engine ruined as a result of using an oil filter that may not be as good as another filter.
I don't think it hurt the engine. But when I see the 1st filter I pulled out, and it is in the same shape it was when I put it in....
Compared to the Fram, in which it looked like I put the Jaws of Life between the pleats....
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
fram makes an excellent product. for a while they let things slide, but this internet discussion forum shamed them into cleaning up the act and now they are only making top quality.
as with any mass produced item, sometimes there will be a defective one. the drain back valve though, is poor, and for that reason i stay away from them. the actual filter part though, is actually fairly good.
I wouldnt say excellent at all. Useable at best when it comes to their standard orange cans. Their air filters are good though.
fram makes an excellent product. for a while they let things slide, but this internet discussion forum shamed them into cleaning up the act and now they are only making top quality.
as with any mass produced item, sometimes there will be a defective one. the drain back valve though, is poor, and for that reason i stay away from them. the actual filter part though, is actually fairly good.
I wouldnt say excellent at all. Useable at best when it comes to their standard orange cans. Their air filters are good though.
I have never used a fram before, but wouldnt say they are [censored].
16 years ago, when i first met my wife, she calls me to come pick her up, cause her car is "smoking real bad and wont go". Ok, i go to pick her up and as i approach i see a huge cloud of smoke. "oh no!" i think as i pull up.
I pop the hood and wait for the smoke to clear. This thing was freakin hot! 1986 ford escort with a 1.9L 4 banger. Finally im looking around the engine compartment and suddenly see the block has a huge crack in it and the head it cracked too! I pull the dipstick and its covered in white-ish thick sludge, ewww! Really nasty stuff thats more like raw crude than free flowing oil.
I ask her "When is the last time you had the oil changed?"
"Well i add oil to it all the time. My grandpa showed me how." she responds.
"No, i mean, when was it last changed out?" i say.
"I did it last week!" She tells me.
I ask "You had it changed last week? Someone actually was underneath and did the service to it?"
"No! Ive been adding the oil to it for the last three yeas!!"
*facepalm*
Had it towed home and one day crawled under it out of sheer morbid curiousity and saw a [censored] fram oil filter stuck to it. I could not get that thing off! I ended up ripping it to shreds trying to get it off and never got the base off. It pretty much disetegrated as i tried.
So, i gotta say that after three years in the Arizona desert and never having the oil changed after she drove it from Oregon to AZ, she went about 52,000 miles before it finally gave out.
Pretty awesome if you ask me. Im not saying Fram is the sh!t, but d@mn, it sure put up a fight.
16 years ago, when i first met my wife, she calls me to come pick her up, cause her car is "smoking real bad and wont go". Ok, i go to pick her up and as i approach i see a huge cloud of smoke. "oh no!" i think as i pull up.
I pop the hood and wait for the smoke to clear. This thing was freakin hot! 1986 ford escort with a 1.9L 4 banger. Finally im looking around the engine compartment and suddenly see the block has a huge crack in it and the head it cracked too! I pull the dipstick and its covered in white-ish thick sludge, ewww! Really nasty stuff thats more like raw crude than free flowing oil.
I ask her "When is the last time you had the oil changed?"
"Well i add oil to it all the time. My grandpa showed me how." she responds.
"No, i mean, when was it last changed out?" i say.
"I did it last week!" She tells me.
I ask "You had it changed last week? Someone actually was underneath and did the service to it?"
"No! Ive been adding the oil to it for the last three yeas!!"
*facepalm*
Had it towed home and one day crawled under it out of sheer morbid curiousity and saw a [censored] fram oil filter stuck to it. I could not get that thing off! I ended up ripping it to shreds trying to get it off and never got the base off. It pretty much disetegrated as i tried.
So, i gotta say that after three years in the Arizona desert and never having the oil changed after she drove it from Oregon to AZ, she went about 52,000 miles before it finally gave out.
Pretty awesome if you ask me. Im not saying Fram is the sh!t, but d@mn, it sure put up a fight.
An engine will run pretty good with massive internal wear on the parts ... seen it many times before. I mean the wear level has to be insanely bad for someone to actually notice a perceptible change in performance.
So, not many people have a good gauge on what a good filter vs. a bad filter efficiency might produce on the same engine. Most people think that just because the engine is still running pretty good it must be in perfect shape ... but that's not always true.
Yes, a FRAM or ST or some other lower quality filter may filter good enough to keep an engine running decently for 250K+ miles, but what scares me about them is the possibility of failure issue that may cause engine damage. We have seen many ST Ecores with blown-out media, and have heard a few reports of FRAM filters failing and causing very low oil pressure or engine damage. Chances are, if those people had used a better constructed filter those instances would not have happened.
So, not many people have a good gauge on what a good filter vs. a bad filter efficiency might produce on the same engine. Most people think that just because the engine is still running pretty good it must be in perfect shape ... but that's not always true.
Yes, a FRAM or ST or some other lower quality filter may filter good enough to keep an engine running decently for 250K+ miles, but what scares me about them is the possibility of failure issue that may cause engine damage. We have seen many ST Ecores with blown-out media, and have heard a few reports of FRAM filters failing and causing very low oil pressure or engine damage. Chances are, if those people had used a better constructed filter those instances would not have happened.
I made a 20 mile trip back home from a meeting last evening and passed 22 cars, assorted makes, every one had a Fram filter laying dead on the ground under the general location of the engine.
It gave me a whole new meaning to the phrase of , orange can of death.
It gave me a whole new meaning to the phrase of , orange can of death.
BTW - filtration efficiency does make a difference. You many not see it or feel it in the way the engine runs, but if you scientifically measured engine wear you would realize it.
http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/sae_filtration_study/index.html
http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/sae_filtration_study/index.html
Originally Posted By: jcwit
I made a 20 mile trip back home from a meeting last evening and passed 22 cars, assorted makes, every one had a Fram filter laying dead on the ground under the general location of the engine.
It gave me a whole new meaning to the phrase of , orange can of death.
i always love seeing oil filters on the highway,the search for the vehicle that lost it keeps me entertained haha
I made a 20 mile trip back home from a meeting last evening and passed 22 cars, assorted makes, every one had a Fram filter laying dead on the ground under the general location of the engine.
It gave me a whole new meaning to the phrase of , orange can of death.
i always love seeing oil filters on the highway,the search for the vehicle that lost it keeps me entertained haha
Wilix, when I saw the title of your thread, I though someone chewed you out in advance of you messing up. Seemed reasonable.
Originally Posted By: XS650
Wilix, when I saw the title of your thread, I though someone chewed you out in advance of you messing up. Seemed reasonable.
I'm not willix though. lol
Wilix, when I saw the title of your thread, I though someone chewed you out in advance of you messing up. Seemed reasonable.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Originally Posted By: XS650
Wilix, when I saw the title of your thread, I though someone chewed you out in advance of you messing up. Seemed reasonable.
I'm not willix though. lol
My bad, I was looking at the first post on page 2. Fits you even better
Originally Posted By: XS650
Wilix, when I saw the title of your thread, I though someone chewed you out in advance of you messing up. Seemed reasonable.
My bad, I was looking at the first post on page 2. Fits you even better
Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Originally Posted By: XS650
Wilix, when I saw the title of your thread, I though someone chewed you out in advance of you messing up. Seemed reasonable.
I'm not willix though. lol
My bad, I was looking at the first post on page 2. Fits you even better
No worries m8.
Thanks... I think...
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Originally Posted By: XS650
Wilix, when I saw the title of your thread, I though someone chewed you out in advance of you messing up. Seemed reasonable.
My bad, I was looking at the first post on page 2. Fits you even better
No worries m8.
Not strange to me. People often have very firm OPINIONS that they are fanatics about.
One guy let into me about how bad multigrade oils are and they should find the guy who invented them, make him pay for all the engine overhauls since he invented it and then put him in jail for the rest of his life.
He was putting SC SAE 40 in his new Mazda pickup that said 5W-30 on the filler.
One guy let into me about how bad multigrade oils are and they should find the guy who invented them, make him pay for all the engine overhauls since he invented it and then put him in jail for the rest of his life.
He was putting SC SAE 40 in his new Mazda pickup that said 5W-30 on the filler.
Originally Posted By: widman
Not strange to me. People often have very firm OPINIONS that they are fanatics about.
One guy let into me about how bad multigrade oils are and they should find the guy who invented them, make him pay for all the engine overhauls since he invented it and then put him in jail for the rest of his life.
He was putting SC SAE 40 in his new Mazda pickup that said 5W-30 on the filler.
Some people.
Not strange to me. People often have very firm OPINIONS that they are fanatics about.
One guy let into me about how bad multigrade oils are and they should find the guy who invented them, make him pay for all the engine overhauls since he invented it and then put him in jail for the rest of his life.
He was putting SC SAE 40 in his new Mazda pickup that said 5W-30 on the filler.
Some people.
Being crazy, I sometimes walk my dog along heavily streets. I am amazed at the vital parts I see laying in the street. My best guess is that they weren't in use at the time. Perhaps the old one was thrown in a truck and fell out.
Not the shiny new aluminum chock my wife hit and busted the oil pan was on a hill. I doubt somebody had used them there and drove off leaving them.
Not the shiny new aluminum chock my wife hit and busted the oil pan was on a hill. I doubt somebody had used them there and drove off leaving them.
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