Fram TG better than Purolator equivalent

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Originally Posted By: bbhero
I know for a fact that there are MANY people on this site who use only 1 oil filter per interval... But that interval is 10k, 12k 15k miles. So BlueOvalFitter is NOT "hurting the environment" as you claim. I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I promise. Just more information to heilp out a bit. Plus ...I believe he uses his filters at minimum 7500 miles maybe more. One oil change and filter change for him is not hurting anything.

I understand your point. But more information is needed to make a stronger point.
Though I use my own filters for more than one oil change too
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Even if someone uses one filter for 3k mile intervals, they still aren't harming anything!

And a lot of us recycle our filters, so there is no harm no foul.

Plastic water bottles pollute the earth more than oil filters ever thought about doing, and last I checked, people still drink plenty of bottled water.
 
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
BlueOVal, your advise is harmful and is hurting the environment!

I don't feel my advice is doing anyone or anything harm. In fact, it's just my opinion that an oil filter should only be used once. I don't try to strong arm anyone into using their oil filters just once.
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
BlueOVal, your advise is harmful and is hurting the environment!

I don't feel my advice is doing anyone or anything harm. In fact, it's just my opinion that an oil filter should only be used once. I don't try to strong arm anyone into using their oil filters just once.
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I don't try to strong arm anyone into using their oil filters just once.
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Instead you just spam them to death! LoL
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If I am taking the time to crawl under my vehicle and do maintenance, I am going to do it right! Why leave 1/2 qt of old oil in an old filter, run fresh oil through a dirty filter and use a filter with cheap construction?

Can't wrap my head around that one.
 
^^^ The key is to know what filter to use for 2x OCIs. I guess these car manufacturers who recommend 2 OCIs on 1 filter in their service manual don't know what they are doing.
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
If I am taking the time to crawl under my vehicle and do maintenance, I am going to do it right! Why leave 1/2 qt of old oil in an old filter, run fresh oil through a dirty filter and use a filter with cheap construction?

Can't wrap my head around that one.


What if you can get the oil out through the dipstick?
 
Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: dishdude
If I am taking the time to crawl under my vehicle and do maintenance, I am going to do it right! Why leave 1/2 qt of old oil in an old filter, run fresh oil through a dirty filter and use a filter with cheap construction?

Can't wrap my head around that one.


What if you can get the oil out through the dipstick?
from the oil filter ?
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: dishdude
If I am taking the time to crawl under my vehicle and do maintenance, I am going to do it right! Why leave 1/2 qt of old oil in an old filter, run fresh oil through a dirty filter and use a filter with cheap construction?

Can't wrap my head around that one.


What if you can get the oil out through the dipstick?
from the oil filter ?


Use enough vacume and you could.
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: dishdude
If I am taking the time to crawl under my vehicle and do maintenance, I am going to do it right! Why leave 1/2 qt of old oil in an old filter, run fresh oil through a dirty filter and use a filter with cheap construction?

Can't wrap my head around that one.


What if you can get the oil out through the dipstick?
from the oil filter ?


Not from the oil filter. From the sump, from the top so you don't have to get the car on stands / ramps and crawl under and deal with the mess.

If that is possible then leaving the oil filter (also underneath the car) on for multiple oci's becomes a time and mess saver.
 
Originally Posted By: jk_636
This is a ridiculous thread. There is no Purolator equivalent to a tough gaurd so you all are just comparing apples to oranges in yet another "let's all get off to how awesome Fram is" thread.

If you want to look at Purolator and Fram filters as a low/mid/high range option, you would be comparing the TG to the P1. Apples to oranges because:

P1 end and are constructed of metal, TG are not.

P1 has better efficiency, TG does not.

P1 has a completely different bypass system. TG uses a plastic spring loaded whatchamacallit

The only thing they remotely have in common is the grip tape finish, and even that isn't the same

Stop lying to each other with labeling this as a "comparetive" thread. Nothing could be father from the truth.

But as always, YMMV and Purolator is evil and Fram is the best and yada yada yada


That's an interesting if biased comparison of something you said shouldn't be compared.

Now that you've prompted me to think about the validity of the comparison itself, I agree with you that they shouldn't be compared as Purolator is just not a viable option period.

- FRAM TG has a 10,000 mile guarantee. Purolator recommends 3,000 (otherwise they will tear)

- Purolators have been tearing so are not getting 99.9% efficiency, let alone the 99% of the FRAM TG. For all you know, you could be getting 0% efficiency.
 
Originally Posted By: jk_636
This is a ridiculous thread. There is no Purolator equivalent to a tough gaurd so you all are just comparing apples to oranges in yet another "let's all get off to how awesome Fram is" thread.

If you want to look at Purolator and Fram filters as a low/mid/high range option, you would be comparing the TG to the P1. Apples to oranges because:

P1 end and are constructed of metal, TG are not.

P1 has better efficiency, TG does not.

P1 has a completely different bypass system. TG uses a plastic spring loaded whatchamacallit

The only thing they remotely have in common is the grip tape finish, and even that isn't the same

Stop lying to each other with labeling this as a "comparetive" thread. Nothing could be father from the truth.

But as always, YMMV and Purolator is evil and Fram is the best and yada yada yada
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: dishdude
If I am taking the time to crawl under my vehicle and do maintenance, I am going to do it right! Why leave 1/2 qt of old oil in an old filter, run fresh oil through a dirty filter and use a filter with cheap construction?

Can't wrap my head around that one.


What if you can get the oil out through the dipstick?
from the oil filter ?
Ho ho, ten ring on that one.
 
Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: jk_636
This is a ridiculous thread. There is no Purolator equivalent to a tough gaurd so you all are just comparing apples to oranges in yet another "let's all get off to how awesome Fram is" thread.

If you want to look at Purolator and Fram filters as a low/mid/high range option, you would be comparing the TG to the P1. Apples to oranges because:

P1 end and are constructed of metal, TG are not.

P1 has better efficiency, TG does not.

P1 has a completely different bypass system. TG uses a plastic spring loaded whatchamacallit

The only thing they remotely have in common is the grip tape finish, and even that isn't the same

Stop lying to each other with labeling this as a "comparetive" thread. Nothing could be father from the truth.

But as always, YMMV and Purolator is evil and Fram is the best and yada yada yada


That's an interesting if biased comparison of something you said shouldn't be compared.

Now that you've prompted me to think about the validity of the comparison itself, I agree with you that they shouldn't be compared as Purolator is just not a viable option period.

- FRAM TG has a 10,000 mile guarantee. Purolator recommends 3,000 (otherwise they will tear)

- Purolators have been tearing so are not getting 99.9% efficiency, let alone the 99% of the FRAM TG. For all you know, you could be getting 0% efficiency.
http://framcatalog.com/Docs/FRAM/FRAMWarranty_050714.pdf No 10k or 15k guarantee!
 
Originally Posted By: steveh
No 10k or 15k guarantee!


Are you sure? This is in the link you provided:

Quote:
In the event of an engine or equipment failure directly caused by a Covered Product, FRAM Group Operations LLC will provide the lesser of the: i) restoration of the engine or equipment to a condition equivalent to that existing just prior to the failure or ii) cash payment of the fair market value of the vehicle.


They say that the TG is good for 10k miles and the Ultra is good for 15k miles. So if your manufacturer oci is 10k miles or 15k miles, and you use their filter, then it's a warranty.

Purolator on the other hand say this:

Quote:
Purolator PureONE oil filters should be replaced every 3,000 miles or 3 months
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: CT8
from the oil filter ?
Ho ho, ten ring on that one.


It was a premise of the entire thread to begin with that the oil filter would be left on regardless of the oil change method.

To ask whether extracting through the dipstick would remove the oil from the filter was irrelevant and clear trolling. For you to celebrate the trolling is also trolling.

Ten ring.
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter

1 OCI.
Remember, "One Filter, One OCI!"


The thing is though, some of these premium oil filters will go twice the distance the oil will. I don't believe there's any oil capable of going 10,000 miles without drying out and coating everything with varnish.
 
Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: steveh
No 10k or 15k guarantee!


Are you sure? This is in the link you provided:

Quote:
In the event of an engine or equipment failure directly caused by a Covered Product, FRAM Group Operations LLC will provide the lesser of the: i) restoration of the engine or equipment to a condition equivalent to that existing just prior to the failure or ii) cash payment of the fair market value of the vehicle.


They say that the TG is good for 10k miles and the Ultra is good for 15k miles. So if your manufacturer oci is 10k miles or 15k miles, and you use their filter, then it's a warranty.

Purolator on the other hand say this:

Quote:
Purolator PureONE oil filters should be replaced every 3,000 miles or 3 months
http://www.pureoil.com/warranty.htm
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ The key is to know what filter to use for 2x OCIs. I guess these car manufacturers who recommend 2 OCIs on 1 filter in their service manual don't know what they are doing.

Finally, you are starting to make sense! I was wondering when you were going to come around.
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