FRAM PH2815 Cut Open

[BlueOvalFitter]

This is one of the filters MBS500 sent me. I could not use it or find anyone else that could. I could barely press open the relief valve. (19-37 PSI)
I counted 89 pleats, including the steel crimped one.

http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=PH2815

 

[Stelth]

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[KCJeep]

Oh my word that's a ton of media for anything orange. What on earth does that thing fit? I see the bypass is a different color too, must designate the higher bypass setting.

Great pics Blue!

As always, thanks for cutting and posting!

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Oh my word that's a ton of media for anything orange. What on earth does that thing fit? I see the bypass is a different color too, must designate the higher bypass setting.

Great pics Blue!

As always, thanks for cutting and posting!

I posted the specs link right below my opening statement.

 

[KCJeep]

Missed the link you posted but I looked it up. It would fit my Jeep or many Chrysler, Fords except for the sky high bypass.

Looks to be a heavy truck diesel filter from what I can tell.

I sure wouldn't mind if they'd pack that kind of media in regular orange cans!

Not gonna happen!

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Missed the link you posted but I looked it up. It would fit my Jeep or many Chrysler, Fords except for the sky high bypass.

Looks to be a heavy truck diesel filter from what I can tell.

I sure wouldn't mind if they'd pack that kind of media in regular orange cans!

Not gonna happen!

I agree, this is a heavy duty filter! The can is very thick and barely flexes when squeezed.
Could you imagine the engine rattle upon startup if we had this filter on our engine? It would sound like a dozen woodpeckers on a street light!

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Could you imagine the engine rattle upon startup if we had this filter on our engine? It would sound like a dozen woodpeckers on a street light!

Why do you think it would make the woodpeckers go nuts on the light pole?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
This is one of the filters MBS500 sent me. I could not use it or find anyone else that could. I could barely press open the relief valve. (19-37 PSI)
I counted 89 pleats, including the steel crimped one.

http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=PH2815


Look at the old 60s and 70s Porsches it was specified for.

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Could you imagine the engine rattle upon startup if we had this filter on our engine? It would sound like a dozen woodpeckers on a street light!

Why do you think it would make the woodpeckers go nuts on the light pole?


It's a diesel filter with a very high bypass setting. When BOF and I tried the Liberty diesel filters with the double ADBV's we both had start up problems, I think it was due to the bypass settings that were higher than our spec filters, but not as high as this one which is a wowser!

My stint with those filters has led me to suspect on cold start up momentary partial bypass events may be more common than I thought.

 

[MBS500]

I picked those up for like a $1 some time ago, they were suppose to fit by base size,thread, gasket size on my previous 1mz-fe Camry. But not enough space under the hood. Then I thought to install remote filter system with 2 of those suckers, but never happened, got rid of my yota.
They defenetely look much better that anything orange I've seen before, and Yes german cars usually spec for high PSI bypass.
For example 1.8T VW filter will fit 1mz-fe, but VW had 17-30 psi rating, yota 12-17 psi.
Should be fine if used during summer especially with 0w oils.

 

[bullwinkle]

If the regular OCOD was built that well, we'd have to change it's name!

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
If the regular OCOD was built that well, we'd have to change it's name!

Yeah, then there would be no need for the FU.
The new OCOD name would be, "MEOCOD" More Expensive OCOD!
Puro Classic would still be better; it has metal end caps.

 

[Cristobal]

It is close enough to a PH8A, I could have used it in a pinch on The Beast. The relief valve setting is a tad too high though. I can use a PH8A, so I know I can use this one. There is enough clearance but barely.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Could you imagine the engine rattle upon startup if we had this filter on our engine? It would sound like a dozen woodpeckers on a street light!

Why do you think it would make the woodpeckers go nuts on the light pole?


It's a diesel filter with a very high bypass setting. When BOF and I tried the Liberty diesel filters with the double ADBV's we both had start up problems, I think it was due to the bypass settings that were higher than our spec filters, but not as high as this one which is a wowser!

My stint with those filters has led me to suspect on cold start up momentary partial bypass events may be more common than I thought.


I really don't think the bypass setting would come into play to cause start-up rattle unless the oil was very thick and couldn't pass through the media.

But yes I agree, having the bypass valve set higher means that more PSID across the media has to occur before the bypass valve opens. If the oil pump is on the wimpy side and can't provide enough oil volume to the filter when the oil is cold to make the bypass valve open (ie, create enough filter PSID), then it could potentially starve the engine of oil in very cold start-up conditions. The oil would essentially "dead head" against the filter media with the oil pump in pressure relief mode.

 

[KCJeep]

You wouldn't think so but I can think of no other reason why the double ADBV filters would cause start up rattle on two different vehicles, one of which was not known for start up rattle (BOF's truck) when the FL-400s yields quiet starts on both. Surely two ADBV's can match the holding ability of the FL-400s, since they couldn't, it makes me look to the higher bypass as a possible cause.

I was using 10w40 as well.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
You wouldn't think so but I can think of no other reason why the double ADBV filters would cause start up rattle on two different vehicles, one of which was not known for start up rattle (BOF's truck) when the FL-400s yields quiet starts on both. Surely two ADBV's can match the holding ability of the FL-400s, since they couldn't, it makes me look to the higher bypass as a possible cause.

I was using 10w40 as well.


Probably more to do with a silicone ADBV vs. not. If you and BOF were hearing start-up rattle when ambient temps were not very cold (or after the engine sat warm for a few hours), then I'd say ADBV was the cause, not the bypass valve.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
You wouldn't think so but I can think of no other reason why the double ADBV filters would cause start up rattle on two different vehicles, one of which was not known for start up rattle (BOF's truck) when the FL-400s yields quiet starts on both. Surely two ADBV's can match the holding ability of the FL-400s, since they couldn't, it makes me look to the higher bypass as a possible cause.

I was using 10w40 as well.


Probably more to do with a silicone ADBV vs. not. If you and BOF were hearing start-up rattle when ambient temps were not very cold (or after the engine sat warm for a few hours), then I'd say ADBV was the cause, not the bypass valve.

It happened on my engine twice on 2 seperate mornings, temperature about 75*. The last time it happened my truck had sat for 10 hours. I then drove it about 1/4 of a mile then shut it off. After 20 minutes I started it up and it was a death rattle for almost 3-5 seconds. The temperature was about 97*-101* and it was in the evening.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
You wouldn't think so but I can think of no other reason why the double ADBV filters would cause start up rattle on two different vehicles, one of which was not known for start up rattle (BOF's truck) when the FL-400s yields quiet starts on both. Surely two ADBV's can match the holding ability of the FL-400s, since they couldn't, it makes me look to the higher bypass as a possible cause.

I was using 10w40 as well.


Probably more to do with a silicone ADBV vs. not. If you and BOF were hearing start-up rattle when ambient temps were not very cold (or after the engine sat warm for a few hours), then I'd say ADBV was the cause, not the bypass valve.

It happened on my engine twice on 2 seperate mornings, temperature about 75*. The last time it happened my truck had sat for 10 hours. I then drove it about 1/4 of a mile then shut it off. After 20 minutes I started it up and it was a death rattle for almost 3-5 seconds. The temperature was about 97*-101* and it was in the evening.


Isn't that interesting. Even ambient temps that high and still the death rattle. Interesting.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
You wouldn't think so but I can think of no other reason why the double ADBV filters would cause start up rattle on two different vehicles, one of which was not known for start up rattle (BOF's truck) when the FL-400s yields quiet starts on both. Surely two ADBV's can match the holding ability of the FL-400s, since they couldn't, it makes me look to the higher bypass as a possible cause.

I was using 10w40 as well.


Probably more to do with a silicone ADBV vs. not. If you and BOF were hearing start-up rattle when ambient temps were not very cold (or after the engine sat warm for a few hours), then I'd say ADBV was the cause, not the bypass valve.

It happened on my engine twice on 2 seperate mornings, temperature about 75*. The last time it happened my truck had sat for 10 hours. I then drove it about 1/4 of a mile then shut it off. After 20 minutes I started it up and it was a death rattle for almost 3-5 seconds. The temperature was about 97*-101* and it was in the evening.


Isn't that interesting. Even ambient temps that high and still the death rattle. Interesting.

Get this, when the filter was installed, dry, the engine did not even make ANY noise upon startup. Explain that.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Isn't that interesting. Even ambient temps that high and still the death rattle. Interesting.

Get this, when the filter was installed, dry, the engine did not even make ANY noise upon startup. Explain that.

My conclusion ... it's not the filter along. Must be other factors involved. If it was due to the filter draining the oiling system, then it would rattle like crazy with an oil change and a dry filter start-up.