Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ]

[ka9mnx]

Originally Posted by SR5
Originally Posted by ka9mnx
"Also suitable for other passenger cars where ACEA A5/B5 or API SL/CF is recommended."
API SL/CF in 2020?

That is all to do with the API restrictions on Phos levels (ZDDP) where as ACEA doesn't have nearly as restrictive chemical limits.

A Ford 913-D oil must start out as a full synthetic ACEA A5/B5 (and SN) oil, then Ford add extra requirements on top to make it even stronger. The TBN minimum of 8 (under ACEA) is then increased to a min of 10 under Ford (for long oil life) and the ZDDP is increased to ~1000 ppm (from the SN of ~800 ppm) to reduce engine wear and improve timing chain life. Unfortunately this last increase (in ZDDP) pushes the oil outside of the API SN & ILSAC GF-5 chemical limits, even though it easily passes all of their quality tests. Note these chemical limits only apply to ILSAC grades (xW20, xW30) of oil and non-ILSAC grades (xW40, xW50) are not restricted so oils like M1 0W40 can and do have ~1000 ppm ZDDP while still being classified as API SN.

Ford 913-D is an excellent oil, full synthetic 5W30, Passing Euro A5/B5 (which not every Dexos1 oil can pass), with extra TBN to make it a long life oil (similar to oils like M1 EP or AP) and extra ZDDP to reduce engines wear. It is a Ford global spec oil, that is used all around the world, except in the homelands of Ford.

Can you even get Ford 913-D oil in North America?
I buy it here whenever it's on special, we get it as Valvoline SynPower, Castrol Magnatec, Shell Helix, plus Penrite and Nulon. It's the Ford oil to use here (Oz & NZ) and in much of Europe too I believe.

It's the oil Ford Australia put in your new Mustang when you bring it in for a dealer service. Both the V8 and the EcoBoost.

Understand. Thanks!

 

[pitzel]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson

With the technology and materials available today 500K cars should be a very common thing and they don't seem to be there yet.

We absolutely are there. People just don't want to pay for stainless steel bodies, interior refurbishments, or routine refurbishment of rotable parts on well-used vehicles when they can finance something shiny and brand new for low monthly payments. Junkyards are filled with cars with engines that have experienced very little to no meaningful performance deterioration and were only junked for other reasons. Economics and collisions, not technical factors of repairability, drive most vehicle retirement decisions except in the rustbelt where full stainless bodies would do the trick (but may not be a wise use of capital).

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Pickup trucks in the South aren't sent to the junk yard with good engines unless they were in a crash.


Nah, they get a point where a few rotables come up for service, and the owner, who by then, has written the vehicle down to $0 (or the buyer bought it "well-used" for nothing) decides its just not worth it. And/or they get neglected along the same lines, along with interiors becoming disgusting because of lack of care. "Redneck Joe" scrapes together another $1000 from somewhere and moves on.... Maybe scores an upgrade to a MP3 player from a cassette player in the process.

 

[tmorris1]

I just bought a new 2019 F-150 Lariat with the 5.0. Previous truck was 2012 F-150 Lariat. Great truck except the cab corners started rotting out. Both spec'ed 5w20 and 0w20 for extreme cold (although 0w20 covers the same temp range as 5w20 in the manual?) The 2019 shows it holds 8.8 qts which is 1 qt more than my 2012. What did they change? Oil pan?