Factory Hyndai OEM filter cut open

[GRWOil]

Pulled this off my Sister's 2016 Hyundai Accent. It had about ~5200 miles on it with factory fill. I was surprised how small the actual filter element is. I'm reasonably sure it's been on the car for over a year. The date of manufacture of the filter element, printed on the top, was November 11, 2015.






I might cut open the media later if anyone is interested.

 

[Danno]

I would want to see the filter element opened up. I use them on my 2013 Sonata 2.4L.
Also, doesn't Hyundai require minimum 2x per year oil/filter change for warranty purposes?

 

[ARCOgraphite]

I ran a Hyundai mann-Hummel 26300-35503 on my Nissan Rogue, and I had no oil to the top. Put the used Honda pcx-004 back on and all was well. Whats up with that? Nice looking can, but who knows about the media.

never had so many oiling filter issues as with foreign made filters on Asian cars. maybe cause they are small than fuel filters. Or how hard is it to get loss of prime? The pump is suction and not submerged. Maybe if I kept removing and repriming the same filter it would work at some point. As Trump would say,"Something is going on and we gotta look into it." Maybe gumming of the media.

 

[JTK]

The Hyundai filters are beasts. I had the same one on my 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.7L. I'd cut every used one open and they definitely take more work to open than most others. Media can always stayed flexible and whole. Very well built filter IMO. They'd easily go 10-12K miles between OCIs for most of us.

 

[GRWOil]

Originally Posted By: Danno
I would want to see the filter element opened up. I use them on my 2013 Sonata 2.4L.
Also, doesn't Hyundai require minimum 2x per year oil/filter change for warranty purposes?


My sister bought the car with 3,800 miles on in in October of 2016. It was a loaner car that the dealership had for customers. It's super basic, doesn't even have cruise control. I'm very sure it was factory fill in it, I know this particular dealership uses white NAPA filters instead of Hyundai OEM. They also check torque specs at the factory for all of the bolts, including the drain bolt. They mark them with a yellow marker to confirm and "check them off the list." The marks on this drain bolt lined up perfectly when I took them off and didn't when I put it back on.

So, the dealership failed to do the maintenance. . . shocker.

I'll cut that element later today.

 

[GRWOil]

Seems like there is a lot of media in this filter. I sawed through it on both ends with a jump saw, so it's a little messy.

 

[GRWOil]

Originally Posted By: JTK
The Hyundai filters are beasts. I had the same one on my 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.7L. I'd cut every used one open and they definitely take more work to open than most others. Media can always stayed flexible and whole. Very well built filter IMO. They'd easily go 10-12K miles between OCIs for most of us.


I'll be running Fram ultra from now on. These OEM filters are exceptional mechanically, but they just don't filter worth a darn. I found this on another BITOG thread. It Looks like the Hyundai filter is 99.2% @ 50 microns. Fram Ultra is 99.5% @ 20 microns. You could literally buy any other filter and it would do it's job of FILTERING better than the OEM filter.

 

[mrdctaylor]

There were TSBs for Hyundais saying to be sure to use an OEM filter if the customer reported start-up noise. I've been using since I bought my 2003 Santa Fe. My son droves it now and it has around 205,000 miles. Zero engine issues.

 

[maximus]

Originally Posted By: GRWOil
It Looks like the Hyundai filter is 99.2% @ 50 microns. Fram Ultra is 99.5% @ 20 microns.


Does this really make any appreciable difference, though?

 

[GRWOil]

Originally Posted By: maximus
Originally Posted By: GRWOil
It Looks like the Hyundai filter is 99.2% @ 50 microns. Fram Ultra is 99.5% @ 20 microns.


Does this really make any appreciable difference, though?


If the Hyundai filter behaves like other filters, 99.2% @50 microns will translate to about 10-20% @ 20 microns. Probably doesn't catch anything at 10 microns. Most wear is done by particles in the 10-20 micron range. I look at it this way, an Orange Can of Death will filter 95% @ 20 microns. That's the most basic filter you can get and its efficiency is vastly greater than the OEM filter.

If you buy a case of 6 Ultra's off ebay they'll run you $4.30-5.50, while the OEM will cost you about $4.00-5.50 a piece for a pack of 10. The price is basically the same. (Though I should note if you are willing to buy a 40 pack, you can get it down to $3.10 for OEM). Plus, you don't have to worry about ordering counterfeits like you do with the OEM.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: maximus
Originally Posted By: GRWOil
It Looks like the Hyundai filter is 99.2% @ 50 microns. Fram Ultra is 99.5% @ 20 microns.


Does this really make any appreciable difference, though?


Here's an example if there were a million particles of size 20 microns in the oil, and how each filter would filter them out. Would you rather have all 1 million particles make it through the engine over 20 passes, or only 10,100 of them in 3 passes?

 

[WhizkidTN]

Originally Posted By: GRWOil
Originally Posted By: JTK
The Hyundai filters are beasts. I had the same one on my 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.7L. I'd cut every used one open and they definitely take more work to open than most others. Media can always stayed flexible and whole. Very well built filter IMO. They'd easily go 10-12K miles between OCIs for most of us.


I'll be running Fram ultra from now on. These OEM filters are exceptional mechanically, but they just don't filter worth a darn. I found this on another BITOG thread. It Looks like the Hyundai filter is 99.2% @ 50 microns. Fram Ultra is 99.5% @ 20 microns. You could literally buy any other filter and it would do it's job of FILTERING better than the OEM filter.


Agreed. I'm on the Fram Ultra XG9688 bandwagon as well moving on from the PureONE filter (PL14459, Orange can) before I switched to the OEM Mann+Hummel (Korea) filter due to TSB warranty concerns.

 

[crazyoildude]

6 month 3750 for severe service
1 year 7500 for normal service

Like most other things Hyundai makes their filters are very high quality..

 

[maximus]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: maximus
Originally Posted By: GRWOil
It Looks like the Hyundai filter is 99.2% @ 50 microns. Fram Ultra is 99.5% @ 20 microns.


Does this really make any appreciable difference, though?


Here's an example if there were a million particles of size 20 microns in the oil, and how each filter would filter them out. Would you rather have all 1 million particles make it through the engine over 20 passes, or only 10,100 of them in 3 passes?




OK, I'm having trouble following the chart. Maybe I'm dumb. What particles are we talking about? The oil will be passed through the filter many thousands of times throughout the OCI. Does it really make much difference? Your statement reminds of when a quick lube jockey told me I should let them replace my CAF because that's "the air you breath." I asked him what was filtering the air we're breathing right now, as we stand outside and talk? He was dumbfounded and walked off.

I'm pretty ignorant about oil filtration. Is there anything official on the Hyundai unit's specs? How much longer is the more efficient filter really going to make an engine last?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: maximus
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: maximus
Originally Posted By: GRWOil
It Looks like the Hyundai filter is 99.2% @ 50 microns. Fram Ultra is 99.5% @ 20 microns.


Does this really make any appreciable difference, though?


Here's an example if there were a million particles of size 20 microns in the oil, and how each filter would filter them out. Would you rather have all 1 million particles make it through the engine over 20 passes, or only 10,100 of them in 3 passes?




OK, I'm having trouble following the chart. Maybe I'm dumb. What particles are we talking about? The oil will be passed through the filter many thousands of times throughout the OCI.


It's a simple example showing that it will take many more passes through a less efficient oil filter to catch the same starting amount of particles in the oil - 1 million 20 micron particles in this case. The wear particles will pass through the engine many more times over with a less efficient oil filter before they are all caught.

As far as cabin air filters ... yeah, they do filter the air you are breathing inside the car since the air coming into the cabin is through the fresh air intake unless you have the windows open. I'd rather breath filtered air vs non-filtered, and I'd rather use a more efficient oil filter vs a less efficient one.

 

[GRWOil]

This might help you visualize the difference in filtration ability



50 micron particles are way bigger than 20 microns, because the volume of a sphere increases cubically as diameter increases. The OEM is 99.2% at 50 microns, the Ultra is 99.5% at 20 microns. The OEM will catch a human hair, the Fram will catch a white blood cell. The OEM probably lets just about everything under ~15 microns through and never catches them (we don't know for sure because we only have one data point @ 50 mic, but we can project based on other filters). Those particles accumulate in the oil. The Fram is catching particles down to 5 microns at 50% efficiency.



The size of a particle doesn't matter IF it is completely enveloped within the oil film, or smaller than clearances in bearings. Oil film and clearances can be as small as 5-10 microns. "Does this make a difference over the life of an engine?" Well, not if you sell it after 70,000 miles. But why you run synthetic oil? There are plenty of cars that make it down the road on cheap lube to 200K, in that frame of mind why do anything nice for your car? It's hard to say how much difference it makes, but we do know finer filtration leads to less wear. Your engine will stay tighter, quieter, and healthier throughout it's life.

 

[sw99]

Thanks, it looks great!

 

[ZeeOSix]

I always liked these examples to give a sense of size with synthetic vs cellulose media and particle size.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: GRWOil
The Fram is catching particles down to 5 microns at 50% efficiency.


901Memphis has posted a few times that the Ultra is more like 80% @ 5 microns.

Link to his post

 

[GRWOil]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: GRWOil
The Fram is catching particles down to 5 microns at 50% efficiency.


901Memphis has posted a few times that the Ultra is more like 80% @ 5 microns.

Link to his post


I've seen different things posted here and there on BIGOT. I wish the fram rep would come post the numbers here. I bet they've got a lot more data points than we have. I've actually got a PM in motorking's imbox, relating to another thread I posted here . . . waiting for a response.

Do you have any data on flow rate and Delta P for the Ultra? I've been looking for it, but can't find an answer anywhere.