EPA to Propose Tougher Tailpipe-Emissions Standards

[BMWTurboDzl]

The thing is that personal transportation is just a small piece of the pie....much smaller than we are led to believe as far as emissions go. Cars have been quite clean compared to other industries. But other industry isn't in the limelight of the media and the average consumer.

People only are taught that power plants and cars are dirty. Nevermind that barge that goes from LA to China bringing all that stuff we buy that was made in China in less than desirable conditions and with less than desirable emissions.....

And by strangle I mean add 10k to the cost all while reducing HP potential and the big one fuel economy potential.

But let's strangle cars even more, with the impending DPF on the direct-injected gasoline vehicles. We already have killed the diesel economy, so let's move onto gasoline. Then the EV will look even better.



0w5 oil, GDI, CVTs, and the same turd/blob looking shape as everyone else.

Yet....I was getting 35+ mpg on GASOLINE in a (then 25 year old) 1982 VW, and had many other 80s VWs which did the same or better.

I don't believe I'm wearing any rose colored glasses. I'm just saying we past the point of diminishing returns long ago.

Transportation as a whole is the largest contributor at 27% of which light-duty vehicles are responsible for 57%.

Fast Facts on Transportation Greenhouse Gas Emissions | US EPA

Basic facts and data on greenhouse gas emissions from transportation.

www.epa.gov

 

[Cujet]

I believe the new rules will regulate the amount of CO2 output per mile (Km)

It will put an end to most conventional vehicles. Hydrogen engines may be possible, and plug in hybrids may or may not skirt the rules.

 

[ripcord]

I believe the new rules will regulate the amount of CO2 output per mile (Km)

It will put an end to most conventional vehicles. Hydrogen engines may be possible, and plug in hybrids may or may not skirt the rules.

If true, this may run a foul of EPA v West Virginia. SCOTUS will likely say that only Congress can impose such broad rules and it exceeds the EPAs regulatory authorization.

 

[350Rocket]

It sounds like a good idea for the planet, but a bad idea for the consumer. Fuel efficient vehicles usually cut some corner like low tension piston rings, ultra thin oil, etc that can prove to be a headache for the car owner down the road.

It will sell more cars, since the manufacturers will once again be pushed to produce stuff that meets the emissions standards but won't last. So it likely won't be good for the environment, with the increase in scrapped cars, and production of new ones, but at least it will put more $ in the pockets of the fat cats at the top of the food chain.

The rest of us will likely suffer as usual.

 

[labfan]

No you don't understand climate denier, you have to use the government mandated 0w-8

 

[Oily_Thing]

It sounds like a good idea for the planet, but a bad idea for the consumer. Fuel efficient vehicles usually cut some corner like low tension piston rings, ultra thin oil, etc that can prove to be a headache for the car owner down the road.

What are the problems caused by thin oil?

 

[demarpaint]

What are the problems caused by thin oil?

There are hundreds of threads, posted over the years discussing thick vs. thin oils, many got locked. The best thing to do is search the archives if you have time, read about it and decide for yourself.

 

[Oily_Thing]

There are hundreds of threads, posted over the years discussing thick vs. thin oils, many got locked. The best thing to do is search the archives if you have time, read about it and decide for yourself.

I've read them. Did not see any headaches.

 

[Cujet]

If true, this may run a foul of EPA v West Virginia. SCOTUS will likely say that only Congress can impose such broad rules and it exceeds the EPAs regulatory authorization.

Expect the executive branch to ignore such rulings, and let them play out on a one by one basis, dragged out for decades in legal limbo.

 

[demarpaint]

I've read them. Did not see any headaches.

Ok.

 

[leadcounsel]

The ICE auto makers better start lobbying or drawing lines in the sand with Congress or they'll be unable to survive these "hand on the scale in favor of EV" regulations.

 

[Bjornviken]

Shpuld be announced next week and move is stated to target 2027-2032 vehicles with strict regulations with the continued push by the government for EV. Per WSJ.

What standards must they have? And if you drive an old car, are you penalized per CO2 emissions of the car?... Curious how it works in the US

 

[supton]

Very nice, just don't be the person who's having a 39th BDay for the 5th year running, just own 40

I've been 21... for more than 20 years now. I figure, if I don't acknowledge the day, then I don't age.

[on a maturity level I'm about half that. Don't ask my wife, she'd tell you I was overestimating.]

My plan is to live forever. So far, so good.

 

[Danno]

Is it a bad thing that I have to raise prices because I can no longer violate the property rights of someone else?

A real world example would be great, tyia

 

[4strokes]

None of it is for the planet.

We past the tipping point for real economy about 25 years ago....maybe even longer.

We are now into tin cans and plastic transmissions.

My 1982 VW 1.7 gas Jetta would consistently get 38mpg. Bosch Jetronic mechanical fuel injection, I loved it. That was 41 years ago....how far have we come?

My 79 Rabbit Gas was always under 30 MPG at highway speeds 75-80 My 21 Honda CRV AWD at twice the curb weight is always better than 30 MPG at those speeds.

 

[Fabulous50s]

Transportation as a whole is the largest contributor at 27% of which light-duty vehicles are responsible for 57%.

Fast Facts on Transportation Greenhouse Gas Emissions | US EPA

Basic facts and data on greenhouse gas emissions from transportation.

www.epa.gov

So 15% of all greenhouse gasses are from consumer owned vehicles.

That's my point.

 

[Fabulous50s]

I've read them. Did not see any headaches.

Look at the Detroit Diesel standard liner scuff tests. They always use 5w30 as a worst case. Thinner oils don't protect as well in those type of tests. That doesn't mean an engine which is designed differently won't do better, but thinner = more scuffing.

I'm not a thickie, butttttt.....look at the data. Even Amsoil uses thinner oils as a "worst case" in all their testing!

 

[brianl703]

The rose tinted specs make them seem so good, but they could barley get to highway speeds with the A/C on, were as rigid as a week old salad, and were comparative death traps if you crashed them

I've driven the following:

1984 Chevy Cavalier (still have it)
1986 Dodge Omni (long gone)
1991 Ford Escort (long gone)
1997 Ford Escort (long gone)

All of these had/have no trouble getting up to highway speeds, though the AC in the 86 Dodge Omni never worked when I owned it, and the 1991 Ford Escort held 3rd gear till about 95MPH (4-speed automatic) at WOT.

As far as being rigid as a week old salad, of that list, only the Escorts had an independent rear suspension, so they handled somewhat OK, and as far as safety, the 1997 Ford Escort at least had airbags.

 

[Fabulous50s]

What standards must they have? And if you drive an old car, are you penalized per CO2 emissions of the car?... Curious how it works in the US

At the annual vehicle registration.

Just like they did in CA with diesels which they deemed "gross polluters" due to theor age. Even though those vehicles were sold in CA when new.

 

[Fabulous50s]

My 79 Rabbit Gas was always under 30 MPG at highway speeds 75-80 My 21 Honda CRV AWD at twice the curb weight is always better than 30 MPG at those speeds.

My 2010 CR-V 4WD averages 22.5mpg. At speeds over 80 it drops below 20.

I never ever got sub 30 with any of my VWs. And some of them (winter beaters) idled quite a bit due to sub zero F temps we have in northern Maine.