Can Duragloss be 'layered' for longer lasting protection? I've done this with Zaino and was wondering.
Thanks for knowledgeable replys folks.
Thanks for knowledgeable replys folks.
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Can Duragloss be 'layered' for longer lasting protection? I've done this with Zaino and was wondering.
Thanks for knowledgeable replys folks.
Yes it can, I do it with Duragloss #105 Two coats 12 hrs apart cure time, then I put on a coat of Calinite fleet wax, and I'm done for at least 7 to 8 months, I also use Aquawax after a wash, The sun in Florida is bad on wax, Ive found this combo works well for me.
Can Duragloss be 'layered' for longer lasting protection? I've done this with Zaino and was wondering.
Thanks for knowledgeable replys folks.
Yes it can, I do it with Duragloss #105 Two coats 12 hrs apart cure time, then I put on a coat of Calinite fleet wax, and I'm done for at least 7 to 8 months, I also use Aquawax after a wash, The sun in Florida is bad on wax, Ive found this combo works well for me.
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Yes it can, I do it with Duragloss #105 Two coats 12 hrs apart cure time, then I put on a coat of Calinite fleet wax, and I'm done for at least 7 to 8 months, I also use Aquawax after a wash, The sun in Florida is bad on wax, Ive found this combo works well for me.
Just to avoid any confusion it is Collinite.
Yes it can, I do it with Duragloss #105 Two coats 12 hrs apart cure time, then I put on a coat of Calinite fleet wax, and I'm done for at least 7 to 8 months, I also use Aquawax after a wash, The sun in Florida is bad on wax, Ive found this combo works well for me.
Just to avoid any confusion it is Collinite.
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All Duragloss products are sealers The #105 is the most durable its called and marketed as a polish sealer but its hardly a polish but a very good sealer, gives Zaino like results, I wipe it on let dry to haze and wipe off repeat after 12 hrs, after yet another 12 hrs top it with a non cleaner wax.
The Collinite paste wax is a carnuba tauted as the longest lasting, and it does, Collinite #476 super double coat is the same stuff as their Fleetwax #845 just in different can, and it cost less. this stuff is the sh*t, its a straight wax no cleaners to strip off a sealer, wipe it on wipe it off, if you let it dry its very hard to remove, but well worth it.
http://www.autogeek.net/collinite-super-doublecoat--wax-476.html
The Collinite paste wax is a carnuba tauted as the longest lasting, and it does, Collinite #476 super double coat is the same stuff as their Fleetwax #845 just in different can, and it cost less. this stuff is the sh*t, its a straight wax no cleaners to strip off a sealer, wipe it on wipe it off, if you let it dry its very hard to remove, but well worth it.
http://www.autogeek.net/collinite-super-doublecoat--wax-476.html
As new to the detailing arena, I am very hesistant to put on a coat of wax, sealant etc. and let it sit for 12 hours. Doesn't it collect dust dirt, etc. during this 12 hours that scratches the paint when you buff it off? Maybe I am missing something. Please educate me on this. Do you guys put the first coat on and leave it in the garage for the 12 hours?
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As new to the detailing arena, I am very hesistant to put on a coat of wax, sealant etc. and let it sit for 12 hours. Doesn't it collect dust dirt, etc. during this 12 hours that scratches the paint when you buff it off? Maybe I am missing something. Please educate me on this. Do you guys put the first coat on and leave it in the garage for the 12 hours?
No I never said to leave it on for twelve hours, wipe on wipe off reapply after a twelve hr cure time this for the #105 Duragloss per the manufacturer, they recommend a bonding agent #601 makes the Duragloss adhere better, basically it strips away anything that wont let the sealer bond, it smell good but a hint of some type of acid, when applied you don't remove it just add the #105 over it.
As new to the detailing arena, I am very hesistant to put on a coat of wax, sealant etc. and let it sit for 12 hours. Doesn't it collect dust dirt, etc. during this 12 hours that scratches the paint when you buff it off? Maybe I am missing something. Please educate me on this. Do you guys put the first coat on and leave it in the garage for the 12 hours?
No I never said to leave it on for twelve hours, wipe on wipe off reapply after a twelve hr cure time this for the #105 Duragloss per the manufacturer, they recommend a bonding agent #601 makes the Duragloss adhere better, basically it strips away anything that wont let the sealer bond, it smell good but a hint of some type of acid, when applied you don't remove it just add the #105 over it.
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Thanks for the tip. Stupid me, but I thought some like the Klasse sealant actually have you apply the product and leave on overnight.
You guys talked me into it. I am ordering the Collinite #476, the Duragloss bonding agent stuff, and the Duragloss TPP #105. I just got some NXT 2.0 that I like so far, but you can never experiment enough with waxes and sealants.
Thanks guys!
You guys talked me into it. I am ordering the Collinite #476, the Duragloss bonding agent stuff, and the Duragloss TPP #105. I just got some NXT 2.0 that I like so far, but you can never experiment enough with waxes and sealants.
Thanks guys!
FYI #476 and Insulator wax (#845) are available at Harbor Freight for $12.99. That is the cheapest I've ever seen them and no shipping.
DG #105 is light years ahead of the NXT 2.0 (I have both) in cleaning ability and reflectivity. DG #105 brings out flake where the NXT darkens/dulls it slightly. Both have a nice look but side by side the 105 is the clear winner in my book.
DG #105 is light years ahead of the NXT 2.0 (I have both) in cleaning ability and reflectivity. DG #105 brings out flake where the NXT darkens/dulls it slightly. Both have a nice look but side by side the 105 is the clear winner in my book.
I can't wait to try the DG and Collinite on the black sand pearl colored paint. After looking at some pics of other black cars that were recently deailed, mine pales in comparison. Hoping the two layers of DG and a couple Collinite layers really helps.
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you want to watch it with "cleaner" type products. two layers for even coverage is all you'll get, the cleaners in the wax etc. will remove the previous layer.
You are correct, and the #105 is a poor cleaner polish.
When I apply it I do not rub it in, just touching the paint by wiping it on is all thats needed for sealing. If you need to polish scratches or swirls then use something else prior to sealing it.
you want to watch it with "cleaner" type products. two layers for even coverage is all you'll get, the cleaners in the wax etc. will remove the previous layer.
You are correct, and the #105 is a poor cleaner polish.
When I apply it I do not rub it in, just touching the paint by wiping it on is all thats needed for sealing. If you need to polish scratches or swirls then use something else prior to sealing it.
Any tips with the bonding agent stuff. the web site says you put this stuff on and then put the 105 over the top of it and buff off together. The bonding agent and the 105 form an epoxy like bond and super strength.
Per some videos i watched from Lake Country, I am going to put my two tripod mounted halogens in close proximity to my work area. I already have several of the Sonus microfiber applicator pads and a dozen of their polishing, buffing, and waffle weave towels.
I will put it on very very thin as I learned a lesson when i used Klasse once. I gooped it on way too much and it took forever to get it off. Even then, there was still some streaking and clouding from the stuff.
Thanks for the tips.
I will put it on very very thin as I learned a lesson when i used Klasse once. I gooped it on way too much and it took forever to get it off. Even then, there was still some streaking and clouding from the stuff.
Thanks for the tips.
From what I can tell, if you continue to use the 105, it will almost clean off some wax as it puts a new layer on. I would bet the 111 would be better for layering.
FYI - I've been buying my Collonite Insulator Wax (#845) at Adv Auto Parts (AAP). Look for it in the marine section where they carry the Starbright products.
I have been using DG products for a few years now..its basicly all I use...and I am in touch with either Jerry or Bill the chemist monthly..and I will tell you this..the cleaner in 105 is made to just get any fall out or dying product off the paint to ensure a good bonding..but it will not remove a fresh coat of 105 after cured if done by hand...as told from DG ...
the strongest paint cleaner sealant they make is the 501 marine..it is a super cleaner and the protection left behind is very close to the durability of 105...501 is super slick and glossy...
105 is a mix of synthetic polymers and resins to mimic a waxed look..the other polishes are just a polymer...105 has a different look then the others....
my best combo is the 501 to relly deep clean the paint and then top it a day later with 105....
I just called them the other day asking about the Track Klaw polish and was told its the slickest stuff they make..nothing sticks to it... its a flouropolymer ..I ordered it and will be trying it out soon...
the 501 and 105 combo lasted me all winter no problems..put it on in Sept and it was still going strong in April...road salt and grime just rinsed off with just a rinse wash at the pay and Spray car wash....no AW used at all...so its very durable for winter months
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the strongest paint cleaner sealant they make is the 501 marine..it is a super cleaner and the protection left behind is very close to the durability of 105...501 is super slick and glossy...
105 is a mix of synthetic polymers and resins to mimic a waxed look..the other polishes are just a polymer...105 has a different look then the others....
my best combo is the 501 to relly deep clean the paint and then top it a day later with 105....
I just called them the other day asking about the Track Klaw polish and was told its the slickest stuff they make..nothing sticks to it... its a flouropolymer ..I ordered it and will be trying it out soon...
the 501 and 105 combo lasted me all winter no problems..put it on in Sept and it was still going strong in April...road salt and grime just rinsed off with just a rinse wash at the pay and Spray car wash....no AW used at all...so its very durable for winter months
AL
The idea of "layering" waxes or sealants is comical.
1. The fact is that the application of a second layer of anything will remove most of whatever is already on the paint. It doesn't matter of the product has abrasives or cleaners or it is a "pure" wax. The mechanical action of rubbing the second layer on will remove portions of the product already on the surface.
2. Meguiar's openly acknowledge this and recommend two coats of their sealants and waxes for optimum results. Not for layering, but to ensure optimum coverage.
3. Sealants need time to cure, hence the recomendation to apply the first coat, remove residue and wait 12 hours for the second coat. Again, this is for complete coverage, not layering.
4. OCD people like layering.
5. Some companies like layering because it sells more product.
6. Some customers "see" a benefit to layering simply because applying an extra layer every week makes their cars look better. This is because they are seeing the benefits of a new layer of wax, not the effect of multiple layers.
7. Zanioites love layering. They also think Zanio is the end all of care car products. I've personally witnessed 3 different side-by-side comparisons of Zanio vs. Meguiar's Nxt wax at Meguiar's headquarters in California. Three different 'Vette owners/Zaino users (what is it with 'Vettes and Zaino?). Three different 'Vettes with multiple layers of Zaino. One application of Nxt wax to one half of those Zaino'd 'Vette hoods. Three Zanio users that agreed that one coat of Nxt looked better than 5+ coats of Zaino.
Is Nxt better than Zaino? Is it shinier or more glossy? The important question is: Does one fresh coat of Nxt look better than a week old coat of Zaino.
1. The fact is that the application of a second layer of anything will remove most of whatever is already on the paint. It doesn't matter of the product has abrasives or cleaners or it is a "pure" wax. The mechanical action of rubbing the second layer on will remove portions of the product already on the surface.
2. Meguiar's openly acknowledge this and recommend two coats of their sealants and waxes for optimum results. Not for layering, but to ensure optimum coverage.
3. Sealants need time to cure, hence the recomendation to apply the first coat, remove residue and wait 12 hours for the second coat. Again, this is for complete coverage, not layering.
4. OCD people like layering.
5. Some companies like layering because it sells more product.
6. Some customers "see" a benefit to layering simply because applying an extra layer every week makes their cars look better. This is because they are seeing the benefits of a new layer of wax, not the effect of multiple layers.
7. Zanioites love layering. They also think Zanio is the end all of care car products. I've personally witnessed 3 different side-by-side comparisons of Zanio vs. Meguiar's Nxt wax at Meguiar's headquarters in California. Three different 'Vette owners/Zaino users (what is it with 'Vettes and Zaino?). Three different 'Vettes with multiple layers of Zaino. One application of Nxt wax to one half of those Zaino'd 'Vette hoods. Three Zanio users that agreed that one coat of Nxt looked better than 5+ coats of Zaino.
Is Nxt better than Zaino? Is it shinier or more glossy? The important question is: Does one fresh coat of Nxt look better than a week old coat of Zaino.
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