Do you run a Fram TG?

[JC1]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
No, with the price difference between the TG and the Ultra, I just run the Ultra on everything.

If they put the grey can's guts inside the orange can and had it at orange can prices in Canada, I'd be much more likely to use Fram oil filters. I'm never a fan of Canadian Tire's sales model, which doesn't help matters, either. I can get a Baldwin for my G37 for under $5 walk in price. Playing CT's price game for orange cans in comparison is silly. Now, the Fram air filters, sometimes I'll even special order them in.


I've been getting them on Amazon, I found a wicked deal on the ones for the Jeep.


Overkill is that .com or .ca?

I just run the ultras based on the small price difference. Bought them on rockauto.

I Use them for at least two OCI on he caravan, the civic I'll run it for 18 months first and cut it open and post pics. If it's ok, then I'll run it for 2 full years on the civic.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by JC1
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
No, with the price difference between the TG and the Ultra, I just run the Ultra on everything.

If they put the grey can's guts inside the orange can and had it at orange can prices in Canada, I'd be much more likely to use Fram oil filters. I'm never a fan of Canadian Tire's sales model, which doesn't help matters, either. I can get a Baldwin for my G37 for under $5 walk in price. Playing CT's price game for orange cans in comparison is silly. Now, the Fram air filters, sometimes I'll even special order them in.


I've been getting them on Amazon, I found a wicked deal on the ones for the Jeep.


Overkill is that .com or .ca?

I just run the ultras based on the small price difference. Bought them on rockauto.

I Use them for at least two OCI on he caravan, the civic I'll run it for 18 months first and cut it open and post pics. If it's ok, then I'll run it for 2 full years on the civic.


.ca

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by Patman
Originally Posted by CT8
I doubt you would notice and difference between any major name oil or oil filters.


But that's a silly thing to say because in reality you wouldn't be able to notice the difference between the best oil filter out there, and a terrible one that has a tendency to have torn media but that doesn't mean those of us want to run the terrible filter. So we all want to run something much better, even if we cannot tell the difference either way.

Same goes for oil, most people couldn't tell the difference between a high quality oil and an oil that is on the PQIA "hit list" but that also doesn't mean we should go that route either.


An ISO particle count will show if one filter is keeping the oil cleaner than the next. That's the only way to accurately tell a difference in filter performance.

 

[SlavaB]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Patman
Originally Posted by CT8
I doubt you would notice and difference between any major name oil or oil filters.


But that's a silly thing to say because in reality you wouldn't be able to notice the difference between the best oil filter out there, and a terrible one that has a tendency to have torn media but that doesn't mean those of us want to run the terrible filter. So we all want to run something much better, even if we cannot tell the difference either way.

Same goes for oil, most people couldn't tell the difference between a high quality oil and an oil that is on the PQIA "hit list" but that also doesn't mean we should go that route either.


An ISO particle count will show if one filter is keeping the oil cleaner than the next. That's the only way to accurately tell a difference in filter performance.


+1 on this.
I absolutely love the chart you've posted. It's just a common sense - cleaner oil is better than a dirtier one, no lab confirmation needed.
I usually use a 99% at 20-30 micron filter (M1 or Ultra) with synthetic oil - change it every 6 months (only put around 4k in 6 months) and sleep well.

 

[ofelas]

What would be the highest flowing PH3600 equivalent within the Fram line, or any brand for that matter?

Looking for that last extra edge against the minute of winter cold start tensioner rattle on a 2003 Jeep 225ci v6.

 

[joekingcorvette]

I have used lots of them without any problem.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by ofelas
What would be the highest flowing PH3600 equivalent within the Fram line, or any brand for that matter?

Looking for that last extra edge against the minute of winter cold start tensioner rattle on a 2003 Jeep 225ci v6.


No oil filter will aid your belt tensioner rattle.

 

[ofelas]

A discerning reader would have realized that I was speaking about timing chain tensioners.

Unless some of ya'll spray oil on a serpentine belt tensioner, I fail to see how bringing an oil filter into that equation would serve a purpose.

I find the stock Mopar filter and a Donaldson media filter seem to negate timing chain tensioner start up rattle when used with a good PAO loaded 5w30 or 0w30 oil, but was curious as to whether there was a particular Fram model flowed best within that brand.

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en


No oil filter will aid your belt tensioner rattle.

 

[StevieC]

I had rattling and lifter tick on the Santa Fe with anything other than an OE oil filter until I tried the Amsoil EAO filter and it eliminated it because it was far better at flowing oil on start-up versus standard cellulose filters. Now that Fram Ultra is available I consider it on part with the Amsoil filters.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by ofelas
What would be the highest flowing PH3600 equivalent within the Fram line, or any brand for that matter?

Looking for that last extra edge against the minute of winter cold start tensioner rattle on a 2003 Jeep 225ci v6.


XG3600 ... synthetic media flows better.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix

XG3600 ... synthetic media flows better.


Zee, I know what you mean, but for those intent on arguing, should we not say something like "synthetic media presents a lower restriction to flow vs cellulose media, therefore exhibiting a lower PSID across the media for a given flow rate"?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix

XG3600 ... synthetic media flows better.

Zee, I know what you mean, but for those intent on arguing, should we not say something like "synthetic media presents a lower restriction to flow vs cellulose media, therefore exhibiting a lower PSID across the media for a given flow rate"?


Yes, that's true. What Subie is saying is the actual flow volume through the oil filter does not increase - those who know about positive displacement oil pumps should automatically know that. So with the same flow rate, and a "better flowing filter", the pressure drop (delta-p) across the filter will be less.

Thanks for bringing that up.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix

XG3600 ... synthetic media flows better.


Zee, I know what you mean, but for those intent on arguing, should we not say something like "synthetic media presents a lower restriction to flow vs cellulose media, therefore exhibiting a lower PSID across the media for a given flow rate"?


Yes, that's true. What Subie is saying is the actual flow volume through the oil filter does not increase - those who know about positive displacement oil pumps should automatically know that. So with the same flow rate, and a "better flowing filter", the pressure drop (delta-p) across the filter will be less.

 

[53' Stude]

Well, I will be the first to admit; I run Tough Guards and even ST filters without issues. Many here on BITOG thought I lost it going way over 15k on a TG too

To each their own

 

[ofelas]

The above 5 members, appreciate your input; I've settled on an Ultra for those free oil/filter changes that visiting young 'uns expect.

I suppose I should have been more careful, and worded my query as "least restriction & pressure drop", rather than "highest flowing filter", seeing as I know that the relevant pump has a fixed output at a given rpm ;-)

 

[WellOiled]

When another polar Vortex is forecasted, I will use a synthetic oil filter because: "synthetic media presents a lower restriction to flow vs cellulose media, therefore exhibiting a lower PSID across the media for a given flow rate"

 

[geeman789]

Originally Posted by StevieC
I had rattling and lifter tick on the Santa Fe with anything other than an OE oil filter until I tried the Amsoil EAO filter and it eliminated it because it was far better at flowing oil on start-up versus standard cellulose filters. Now that Fram Ultra is available I consider it on part with the Amsoil filters.



Does the filter point up, down or sideways ? Sounds more like a dry filter at start-up, not a " restrictive ... " filter. A filter that has a poor fitting ADBV (anti drain back valve or flap) would allow the filter to drain when the engine is shut off. On the next start, it takes a couple of seconds to re-fill the filter, before flow is resumed.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by geeman789
Originally Posted by StevieC
I had rattling and lifter tick on the Santa Fe with anything other than an OE oil filter until I tried the Amsoil EAO filter and it eliminated it because it was far better at flowing oil on start-up versus standard cellulose filters. Now that Fram Ultra is available I consider it on part with the Amsoil filters.

Does the filter point up, down or sideways ? Sounds more like a dry filter at start-up, not a " restrictive ... " filter. A filter that has a poor fitting ADBV (anti drain back valve or flap) would allow the filter to drain when the engine is shut off. On the next start, it takes a couple of seconds to re-fill the filter, before flow is resumed.


Yep, and to add ... the oil flow rate going through the filter is pretty low at start-up. It's true that with cold oil the restriction and dealt-p across the filter will be more, but it's really hard for me to believe the engine is getting flow starved at start-up with only certain oil filters. That would mean the oil pump was hitting pressure relief way early while only putting out a very small amount of flow volume. Highly unlikely IMO ... a leaky ADBV is more likely.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by WellOiled
When another polar Vortex is forecasted, I will use a synthetic oil filter because: "synthetic media presents a lower restriction to flow vs cellulose media, therefore exhibiting a lower PSID across the media for a given flow rate"

Sounds like a good signature line - lol.

 

[WellOiled]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by WellOiled
When another polar Vortex is forecasted, I will use a synthetic oil filter because: "synthetic media presents a lower restriction to flow vs cellulose media, therefore exhibiting a lower PSID across the media for a given flow rate"

Sounds like a good signature line - lol.

I am in agreement with the statement. When really cold temperatures are expected the synthetic filter has the edge. I just could not resist using some vermouth humor.