Originally Posted by opus1
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Originally Posted by 02SE
Cujet said:
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Originally Posted by Ws6
1) This is ABSOLUTELY NOT a good reason to have children.
2) My boss does NOT take advantage of my time because I do not have children, nor did they take advantage of my time when I was single.
3) If you don't want kids...DON'T HAVE THEM. It's okay. You don't "have to have kids".
I think you missed my point. Many people mistakenly believe that both life and work will be better if they avoid having children. There is a part of reality that says otherwise. Workers without children are more valuable to management.
So let's look at this from the other point of view. Not as a reason to have children, but rather to understand that not having children is unlikely to be beneficial in the ways expected.
1) This is ABSOLUTELY NOT a good reason to have children.
2) My boss does NOT take advantage of my time because I do not have children, nor did they take advantage of my time when I was single.
3) If you don't want kids...DON'T HAVE THEM. It's okay. You don't "have to have kids".
I think you missed my point. Many people mistakenly believe that both life and work will be better if they avoid having children. There is a part of reality that says otherwise. Workers without children are more valuable to management.
So let's look at this from the other point of view. Not as a reason to have children, but rather to understand that not having children is unlikely to be beneficial in the ways expected.
Originally Posted by opus1
Originally Posted by Cujet
1) Have children. I did not, boss recognized that I could work anytime, anywhere (to his advantage) . If you are childless, your boss will take advantage of your time too. Note: you will be insufficiently compensated, as it will be expected.
If you retain nothing else, from Cujet's post, this is the one to remember, especially the second sentence.
One place I worked there were two single people in my group of 6; me and the woman who sat next to me. We were in a department meeting one day and she made an observation that it seemed like there was a disproportionate amount of work being pushed her and my way, and the supervisor flat out said that everyone else in the group had kids so he didn't want them to have to work OT since he knew neither of us had kids.
Yeah, that's NOT a good reason to have kids, IMO.
I've seen plenty of people that had kids for a variety of reasons which were dumb reasons (bored, others expect them too, a .gov check, etc.) resulting inevitably in kids that had poor parenting.
I'd only advise someone to have kids if they want them, and will be there to raise and guide them.
When I was a business owner with employees, everyone had their job, and their marital status or kids didn't factor into it. Nobody was abused or taken advantage of. If someone is, and they are not happy with the situation, look for other opportunities.
Originally Posted by Cujet
1) Have children. I did not, boss recognized that I could work anytime, anywhere (to his advantage) . If you are childless, your boss will take advantage of your time too. Note: you will be insufficiently compensated, as it will be expected.
If you retain nothing else, from Cujet's post, this is the one to remember, especially the second sentence.
One place I worked there were two single people in my group of 6; me and the woman who sat next to me. We were in a department meeting one day and she made an observation that it seemed like there was a disproportionate amount of work being pushed her and my way, and the supervisor flat out said that everyone else in the group had kids so he didn't want them to have to work OT since he knew neither of us had kids.
Yeah, that's NOT a good reason to have kids, IMO.
I've seen plenty of people that had kids for a variety of reasons which were dumb reasons (bored, others expect them too, a .gov check, etc.) resulting inevitably in kids that had poor parenting.
I'd only advise someone to have kids if they want them, and will be there to raise and guide them.
When I was a business owner with employees, everyone had their job, and their marital status or kids didn't factor into it. Nobody was abused or taken advantage of. If someone is, and they are not happy with the situation, look for other opportunities.
I have been both an employee and a business owner. As an employee you may be forced to do whatever the boss says. As an owner you will work much harder initially but later on you may find some freedom.
I work 4 days a week because I want to, I love meeting my clients. It wasn't always this way, and todays schedule represents years and years of extreme effort.
I had 3 young children and no wife when I started my biz, it's been worth every minute!
I work 4 days a week because I want to, I love meeting my clients. It wasn't always this way, and todays schedule represents years and years of extreme effort.
I had 3 young children and no wife when I started my biz, it's been worth every minute!
I'm a high school teacher. My work week is about 65 hours. In education, that is average, and you can't get around it. I start at 545 am and leave about 430-500 pm. I'm on fall break now and still putting in about 3-5 hours daily. As a teacher, you will never be caught up until the last day of school in May. You will work far harder and longer than you ever thought would be required.
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Originally Posted by Ws6
1) This is ABSOLUTELY NOT a good reason to have children.
2) My boss does NOT take advantage of my time because I do not have children, nor did they take advantage of my time when I was single.
3) If you don't want kids...DON'T HAVE THEM. It's okay. You don't "have to have kids".
I think you missed my point. Many people mistakenly believe that both life and work will be better if they avoid having children. There is a part of reality that says otherwise. Workers without children are more valuable to management.
So let's look at this from the other point of view. Not as a reason to have children, but rather to understand that not having children is unlikely to be beneficial in the ways expected.
They're only more valuable to management if the workers let them. I had other hobbies and other commitments after work. So if I had to leave a job unfinished at the end of the day, it's because I have other plans that I made for the evening. I did other things like make commitments to go to a weekly running club so there were many days when I'd just leave on time and say got to go to the running club.
Originally Posted by Ws6
1) This is ABSOLUTELY NOT a good reason to have children.
2) My boss does NOT take advantage of my time because I do not have children, nor did they take advantage of my time when I was single.
3) If you don't want kids...DON'T HAVE THEM. It's okay. You don't "have to have kids".
I think you missed my point. Many people mistakenly believe that both life and work will be better if they avoid having children. There is a part of reality that says otherwise. Workers without children are more valuable to management.
So let's look at this from the other point of view. Not as a reason to have children, but rather to understand that not having children is unlikely to be beneficial in the ways expected.
They're only more valuable to management if the workers let them. I had other hobbies and other commitments after work. So if I had to leave a job unfinished at the end of the day, it's because I have other plans that I made for the evening. I did other things like make commitments to go to a weekly running club so there were many days when I'd just leave on time and say got to go to the running club.
Originally Posted by Cujet
Originally Posted by Ws6
1) This is ABSOLUTELY NOT a good reason to have children.
2) My boss does NOT take advantage of my time because I do not have children, nor did they take advantage of my time when I was single.
3) If you don't want kids...DON'T HAVE THEM. It's okay. You don't "have to have kids".
I think you missed my point. Many people mistakenly believe that both life and work will be better if they avoid having children. There is a part of reality that says otherwise. Workers without children are more valuable to management.
So let's look at this from the other point of view. Not as a reason to have children, but rather to understand that not having children is unlikely to be beneficial in the ways expected.
Eh, disagree. I dont have or want kids. I know people who had them and regret it. I know people who wanted them and had them and are glad. Depends on what you want
Originally Posted by Ws6
1) This is ABSOLUTELY NOT a good reason to have children.
2) My boss does NOT take advantage of my time because I do not have children, nor did they take advantage of my time when I was single.
3) If you don't want kids...DON'T HAVE THEM. It's okay. You don't "have to have kids".
I think you missed my point. Many people mistakenly believe that both life and work will be better if they avoid having children. There is a part of reality that says otherwise. Workers without children are more valuable to management.
So let's look at this from the other point of view. Not as a reason to have children, but rather to understand that not having children is unlikely to be beneficial in the ways expected.
Eh, disagree. I dont have or want kids. I know people who had them and regret it. I know people who wanted them and had them and are glad. Depends on what you want
I'm glad I had 2 sons. Life would be much different without kids and grandkids.
What if your wife or GF wants kids..... you suggest going to animal shelter and adopt a dog ?
What if your wife or GF wants kids..... you suggest going to animal shelter and adopt a dog ?
Originally Posted by Mr Nice
I'm glad I had 2 sons. Life would be much different without kids and grandkids.
What if your wife or GF wants kids..... you suggest going to animal shelter and adopt a dog ?
Why would you partner with someone who doesnt share fundamental beliefs with you, is a better question...
As to my personal situation, my girlfriend has a child, who also has a father that is active in their life and a positive influence on them. We get along fine, but it is in no way the same as having a child, myself.
I'm glad I had 2 sons. Life would be much different without kids and grandkids.
What if your wife or GF wants kids..... you suggest going to animal shelter and adopt a dog ?
Why would you partner with someone who doesnt share fundamental beliefs with you, is a better question...
As to my personal situation, my girlfriend has a child, who also has a father that is active in their life and a positive influence on them. We get along fine, but it is in no way the same as having a child, myself.
So, reading back on my post and the reactions, yes, I didn't really put the thought-process into motion.
I still stand by the second sentence comment though. In my work-life, management pretty much everywhere used the fact that I and other coworkers didn't have kids to their advantage. In some cases one can take the stand and prove a point, in others, one can't without causing other, larger problems.
I still stand by the second sentence comment though. In my work-life, management pretty much everywhere used the fact that I and other coworkers didn't have kids to their advantage. In some cases one can take the stand and prove a point, in others, one can't without causing other, larger problems.
Originally Posted by opus1
So, reading back on my post and the reactions, yes, I didn't really put the thought-process into motion.
I still stand by the second sentence comment though. In my work-life, management pretty much everywhere used the fact that I and other coworkers didn't have kids to their advantage. In some cases one can take the stand and prove a point, in others, one can't without causing other, larger problems.
That's a personal experience, not a universal one.
So, reading back on my post and the reactions, yes, I didn't really put the thought-process into motion.
I still stand by the second sentence comment though. In my work-life, management pretty much everywhere used the fact that I and other coworkers didn't have kids to their advantage. In some cases one can take the stand and prove a point, in others, one can't without causing other, larger problems.
That's a personal experience, not a universal one.
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