Bio-based lubricants-the wave of the future?

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Originally Posted By: Doog
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Biolubricants are attractive from a social and political viewpoint, but lubricants are generally purchased on a price versus performance basis, and here they fall short. In addition to a higher price versus mineral oils, vegetable oils have two major technical disadvantages that restrict their use; poor oxidative stability at high temperatures and poor flow characteristics at low temperatures. This creates a relatively narrow band of operating temperature and inhibits their use in many high volume applications. There are exceptions, such as some synthetics made from bio sources, but these are much higher yet in price.

The main drivers for vegetable oils are biodegradability, renewability, and energy efficiency, of which only energy efficiency helps repay some of the higher initial cost. As a result, government regulations or incentives are often needed to push biolubricants where a natural market pull does not exist. They tend to be used where a potential exists for significant release of the lubricant into the environment, such as two-cycle oils, chainsaw oils, railroad grease, and various oils used for farm and forestry applications.

Environmental consciousness has proven to be an insufficient driver for overcoming significant price penalties. Consumer conscience is quite price sensitive and demand drops quickly when economies turn down. IMO, I would expect their growth to be relatively slow until technical improvements are made and the price differential from mineral oils is reduced.

Tom NJ
 
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The main drivers for vegetable oils are biodegradability, renewability, and energy efficiency, of which only energy efficiency helps repay some of the higher initial cost.

Tom,

I have never heard of increased energy efficiency (reduced parasitic loss) as a claim of vegetable oils. I would think the oxidative and cold temp problems would produce a much higher parasitic loss overall.

Do you have anymore information on this?
 
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The main drivers for vegetable oils are biodegradability, renewability, and energy efficiency, of which only energy efficiency helps repay some of the higher initial cost.

Tom,

I have never heard of increased energy efficiency (reduced parasitic loss) as a claim of vegetable oils. I would think the oxidative and cold temp problems would produce a much higher parasitic loss overall.

Do you have anymore information on this?


The energy efficiency comes from the higher lubricity derived from the long alkyl acid chains (C16 - C18). These long chains also increase the VI, but raise the pour point as well. If the acid chains are saturated the oil will exhibit a freeze point, like olive oil in the refrigerator. Unsaturation (double bonds) reduces the pour point but introduces oxidative instability. Acids with multiple double bonds (linoleic & linolenic) can be over 100 times less oxidatively stable than those with a single double bond (oleic), which in turn is less stable than a Group II base oil.

Vegetable oils for higher temperature applications use genetically modified oils that are higher in oleic acid and much lower in the linoleic and linolenic acids. This improves the oxidative stability but hurts pour point. Pour point can be recovered by blending in PAO or diesters, thus giving a decent balance for moderately low and high temperatures.

Tom NJ (on vacation in Ireland)
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
Tom,

Can't a lot of those downsides be negated or at least minimized through proper blending?


Yes, a strong anti-oxidant package can bring high oleic type vegetable oils close to mineral oil in oxidative stability, and blending in PAO or diester helps suppress the pour point. These also raise the price considerably, thus further reducing the value proposition.

Tom NJ
 
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