Best Oil Filter Location

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I meant less messy than a dome down filter as far as getting oil on you. On the engine, it might be a different story

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My Vette has the dome down setup ... typical small block Chevy. Trick there is to unscrew it enough to let the oil drain down the sides of the filter, and let it drain until it's done ... then remove it. Or wear some rubber gloves.

 

[mechanicx]

Yeah it's not too bad if you crack it open or remove it slowly and wear rubber gloves. A person could probably punch a hole in the filter dome first.

 

[labman]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
One thing I am not clear on is how does the cartridge filter without an ADBV like the ecotec'shold any oil in the filter?


There is a nipple at the bottom end of the filter cartridge with an o ring on it. That nipple holds the oil in the canister until the filter is removed from the canister. As long as the filter is seated in the cartridge housing, it remains full of oil.

It's like the filter cartridge has that nipple as a built in ADBV.



I know about the nipple blocking the drain, but what stops the oil from draining back through the pump gallery or the engine gallery?


Apparently there is a one way valve in the engine somewhere. The little tip blocks a hole bypassing it. Unscrew the cap and all the oil drains out.

It seems to me 1000 times better than a dome up filter with a catch can. Who needs one of those to clean up? With the Ecotec system being about 10 years old, when is Toyota going to catch up?

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: labman

It seems to me 1000 times better than a dome up filter with a catch can. Who needs one of those to clean up? With the Ecotec system being about 10 years old, when is Toyota going to catch up?


I can change the filter (vertical, dome up) on my Tacoma without one drop puking out of the filter. Zero mess ... in fact, it's a cleaner change then all my other vehicles.

 

[Ike_Clanton]

Because the filter is empty? (J/K)

I'm pretty sure the first criteria for filter location SHOULDN'T be if the person changing the oil makes a mess or not. If they can make it easy AND smart for the engine, fine, but a dome-up spin-on with it's own cute little girdle to catch the mess says to me that its compromised from the start. Further, Toyota is putting quite a lot of trust the owner reads BITOG and uses filters with good ADBVs...

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: Ike_Clanton
If they can make it easy AND smart for the engine, fine, but a dome-up spin-on with it's own cute little girdle to catch the mess says to me that its compromised from the start. Further, Toyota is putting quite a lot of trust the owner reads BITOG and uses filters with good ADBVs...


I highly doubt Toyota is going to put the filter where it is on the Tacoma (high with dome up) if it was detrimental to the engine.

In reality, you could probably have a bone dry oil filter on every start-up and the engine wouldn't even care, and not result in any damage.

 

[Ike_Clanton]

I agree, but there's 10 other ways and places that they could've mounted that filter that would be just as easy and not make me cringe. Don't they factor in the gearhead aspect any more?

My 2.2 Camry had the filter in an ever dumber place, right under the scorching-hot exhaust manifold. I drove that car to 248k miles and sold it running just fine after the rear of the car was wiped out by a drunk, so I guess they won that argument!

 

[dime]

worst ever is the 97-2002 2.2 non-ecotec cavaliers,best is the buick lasabres with the 3800 or the last gen dodge neons.

 

[labman]

Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: labman

It seems to me 1000 times better than a dome up filter with a catch can. Who needs one of those to clean up? With the Ecotec system being about 10 years old, when is Toyota going to catch up?


I can change the filter (vertical, dome up) on my Tacoma without one drop puking out of the filter. Zero mess ... in fact, it's a cleaner change then all my other vehicles.


Yeah, all I need is my socket. I don't to use a nail and a hammer.

 

[Ike_Clanton]

Back on topic, a 2.5 Eurovan when they don't use a stock filter is pretty terrible to get at.

 

[TeachMeOil]

funny, when I first saw this post I thought of my buddies 4 runner as the easiest and it was the first post.

My vote for the worst is my 09 tundra 5.7 v8, I'd take a picture of it but first you have to remove a 10lb metal skid plate with 5 bolts and 3 screws that have to be taken out, and then it is a dome down canister. This was my 3rd change and I finally didn't get a oil shower when I drained the canister before unscrewing it. Don't forget you have to put the skid plate back on....

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: labman

Yeah, all I need is my socket. I don't to use a nail and a hammer.

... yeah, I can't quite figure out how to hit that punch with a hammer ... and it about doubles the time the job takes.

 

[jetblacknismo]

Wow, really a bunch of nonsense in this thread. Didnt think it would turn into an unprecedented b!tch fest. Im not sure why anyone, who has never changed the style of filter i have, would p!ss all over it.

I mean, look at it. Its right on top. How could it get much easier than that? I dont need to wear gloves, or use any kind of wrench, or poke a hole in it, or unscrew it slightly and let the oil drain all over the side of it, or even jack it up to get to it.

With a quality filter like the Denso that i use there IS NO MESS! I believe they put the basin there cause you never know what some guy is gonna use as a filter and it still provides a no mess system. Much better than most ive ever seen, but thats just my experience. Im not gonna b!tch and moan about any others that i personally havent touched. That seems rather arrogant

Anyways, back on topic, i suppose... My 97 nissan hardbody was a pain in the [censored] and when the oil, that was draining, was almost finished the flow of it would change direction and drain on the side on the pan. And you had to reachway up to get to it.

I like the pic that Blue posted. That looks like another really great location

 

[Ike_Clanton]

Wow, someone is sensitive about his filter!

 

[jetblacknismo]

Originally Posted By: Ike_Clanton
Wow, someone is sensitive about his filter!


Haha! Sorry if it seems that way, but i dont know why people have to talk bad about things they have never had experience with. Especially just from one picture on a website. I didnt start this thread for people to act like jerks.

Im not bad mouthing anything i havent actually done. Doesnt that seem rather foolish to you to do so?

 

[Ike_Clanton]

I don't recall anyone saying the filter location isn't convenient.

I do recall saying pehaps making the filter location convenient shouldn't be the first thing to consider about filters from the manufacturer's standpoint. Later, I shared an anecdote about a car I DID own, also a Toyota, that had a filter in what I still think is a stupid (if extremely convenient) spot, but it still managed to make it a quarter million miles. And I typically used Super Tech filters.

Shocking! Outrageous!! Uncouth!!!

 

[jetblacknismo]

Originally Posted By: Ike_Clanton
I don't recall anyone saying the filter location isn't convenient.

I do recall saying pehaps making the filter location convenient shouldn't be the first thing to consider about filters from the manufacturer's standpoint. Later, I shared an anecdote about a car I DID own, also a Toyota, that had a filter in what I still think is a stupid (if extremely convenient) spot, but it still managed to make it a quarter million miles. And I typically used Super Tech filters.

Shocking! Outrageous!! Uncouth!!!


Heh, like i said, sorry about that. I think some drama here at home sorta carried over through my keyboard. Perhaps i read to much into it. I just didnt want this to be a "attack the locations people post up" thread. Not that you were attacking it per say, but to say that Toyota needs to "catch up" is a bit exaggerated?
Meh, you may be right..or wrong. Id rather this not turn into one of those discussions in this thread. Not that its not a good discush, but not here

 

[Ike_Clanton]

Catch up? They can't stop 'moving forward' as it is!

(Ducking and running...)

 

[jetblacknismo]

 

[Texan4Life]

WORST location from the car in my sig