Canada winters like full synthetic oil for the more than a few extraordinary cold starts that you will make.
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Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Canada winters like full synthetic oil for the more than a few extraordinary cold starts that you will make.
Yet more vehicles have no problems without it...
Also what is a "Full" syn? Group III like the major players? In a normal engine Group III is how much "better" than a group II/II+?
A pan/block heater will do more than any oil IMO.
Bill
Canada winters like full synthetic oil for the more than a few extraordinary cold starts that you will make.
Yet more vehicles have no problems without it...
Also what is a "Full" syn? Group III like the major players? In a normal engine Group III is how much "better" than a group II/II+?
A pan/block heater will do more than any oil IMO.
Bill
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Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Canada winters like full synthetic oil for the more than a few extraordinary cold starts that you will make.
Our winters in Southern Ontario really aren't that harsh at all, it isn't that often that we get below 0F overnight. A typical overnight low in the winter here would be around 10-15F, daytime highs in the 25-30F range. So synthetic is not needed here as much as it would be in the prairie provinces or in Northern Ontario where they'd see sub 0F temps on a consistant basis for three months every year.
Canada winters like full synthetic oil for the more than a few extraordinary cold starts that you will make.
Our winters in Southern Ontario really aren't that harsh at all, it isn't that often that we get below 0F overnight. A typical overnight low in the winter here would be around 10-15F, daytime highs in the 25-30F range. So synthetic is not needed here as much as it would be in the prairie provinces or in Northern Ontario where they'd see sub 0F temps on a consistant basis for three months every year.
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Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Canada winters like full synthetic oil for the more than a few extraordinary cold starts that you will make.
So synthetic is not needed here as much as it would be in the prairie provinces or in Northern Ontario where they'd see sub 0F temps on a consistant basis for three months every year.
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Canada winters like full synthetic oil for the more than a few extraordinary cold starts that you will make.
So synthetic is not needed here as much as it would be in the prairie provinces or in Northern Ontario where they'd see sub 0F temps on a consistant basis for three months every year.
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
Originally Posted By: daman
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
BUT does it MATTER? (if it did).
Answer; NO because the majority of vehicles out there NOT running syn and getting high trouble free miles. If they are having problems, its NOT oil related.
That is a FACT.
Bill
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
BUT does it MATTER? (if it did).
Answer; NO because the majority of vehicles out there NOT running syn and getting high trouble free miles. If they are having problems, its NOT oil related.
That is a FACT.
Bill
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How do we know that it will "speed up" oil flow and not just make it easier? The two terms are not necessarily exchangeable.
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You can now get M1 filters at Canadian Tire.
For the same price I would rather have an Amsoil EAO filter, way better built IMO.
Originally Posted By: Patman
Our winters in Southern Ontario really aren't that harsh at all, it isn't that often that we get below 0F overnight. A typical overnight low in the winter here would be around 10-15F, daytime highs in the 25-30F range. So synthetic is not needed here as much as it would be in the prairie provinces or in Northern Ontario where they'd see sub 0F temps on a consistant basis for three months every year.
I don't know if your "Southern Ontario" is different from mine but it gets colder than that near Hamilton, maybe it's all the hot air from the politicians at Queens Park keeping you guys warm!
We usually are only just below 0F at the coldest but I do do some traveling to our nations capital (Ottawa) in the winter and it can be very cold over night.
Originally Posted By: bagtagley
Stevie, it's funny you posting this today as your past posts (among other regulars, in addition my longtime RL addict father) convinced me to order a case of Red Line just this morning.
Redline is a very good oil that has brought me a very good UOA and I would use it hands down as my synthetic of choice if it would come in Gallon size containers instead of the stupid single quarts. (My supplier can't get Gallon size up here)
You can now get M1 filters at Canadian Tire.
For the same price I would rather have an Amsoil EAO filter, way better built IMO.
Originally Posted By: Patman
Our winters in Southern Ontario really aren't that harsh at all, it isn't that often that we get below 0F overnight. A typical overnight low in the winter here would be around 10-15F, daytime highs in the 25-30F range. So synthetic is not needed here as much as it would be in the prairie provinces or in Northern Ontario where they'd see sub 0F temps on a consistant basis for three months every year.
I don't know if your "Southern Ontario" is different from mine but it gets colder than that near Hamilton, maybe it's all the hot air from the politicians at Queens Park keeping you guys warm!
We usually are only just below 0F at the coldest but I do do some traveling to our nations capital (Ottawa) in the winter and it can be very cold over night.
Originally Posted By: bagtagley
Stevie, it's funny you posting this today as your past posts (among other regulars, in addition my longtime RL addict father) convinced me to order a case of Red Line just this morning.
Redline is a very good oil that has brought me a very good UOA and I would use it hands down as my synthetic of choice if it would come in Gallon size containers instead of the stupid single quarts. (My supplier can't get Gallon size up here)
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Originally Posted By: daman
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
I agree, which is why I run the Toyota 0w20 synthetic in my wife's Civic. But I still think that for our mild climate that a synthetic is not needed in order to get long life out of an engine.
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
I agree, which is why I run the Toyota 0w20 synthetic in my wife's Civic. But I still think that for our mild climate that a synthetic is not needed in order to get long life out of an engine.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: daman
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
BUT does it MATTER? (if it did).
For me it does,start a cold diesel or any engine up in the cold winters and hear it hammering and clattering,knocking,ticking there's wear going on there will it shorten the over all life of the unit? maybe maybe not but why take the chance,but hey what ever makes you feel good.
Originally Posted By: daman
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
BUT does it MATTER? (if it did).
For me it does,start a cold diesel or any engine up in the cold winters and hear it hammering and clattering,knocking,ticking there's wear going on there will it shorten the over all life of the unit? maybe maybe not but why take the chance,but hey what ever makes you feel good.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: daman
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
BUT does it MATTER? (if it did).
Answer; NO because the majority of vehicles out there NOT running syn and getting high trouble free miles. If they are having problems, its NOT oil related.
That is a FACT.
Bill
Bill you have a point... As someone who regularly is able to drive engines to 400K KM's and have done so on dino in the past with no ill-effects and no lubrication based problems, however I never had an engine equipped with such tight-tolerance lifters with hydraulic lash adjustment that was fussy on oil flow in the winter either so that is what has me nervous...
Then again as you said lots of Hyundai owners use dino bulk oil and junk filters because they don't know any better and they live long lives so I guess mine should too considering Hyundai and other manufacturers are aware of this setup causing noise in the cold with no ill-effects and no TSB issued that says we must use Syn in the winter or catastrophic results will happen.
Even Wikipedia has mention of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_tappet
So I guess I just proved to myself it is ok... So I guess now that the therapy part of this thread is over I just need to pick a dino oil.
Suggestions?
Originally Posted By: daman
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
BUT does it MATTER? (if it did).
Answer; NO because the majority of vehicles out there NOT running syn and getting high trouble free miles. If they are having problems, its NOT oil related.
That is a FACT.
Bill
Bill you have a point... As someone who regularly is able to drive engines to 400K KM's and have done so on dino in the past with no ill-effects and no lubrication based problems, however I never had an engine equipped with such tight-tolerance lifters with hydraulic lash adjustment that was fussy on oil flow in the winter either so that is what has me nervous...
Then again as you said lots of Hyundai owners use dino bulk oil and junk filters because they don't know any better and they live long lives so I guess mine should too considering Hyundai and other manufacturers are aware of this setup causing noise in the cold with no ill-effects and no TSB issued that says we must use Syn in the winter or catastrophic results will happen.
Even Wikipedia has mention of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_tappet
So I guess I just proved to myself it is ok... So I guess now that the therapy part of this thread is over I just need to pick a dino oil.
Suggestions?
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: daman
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
BUT does it MATTER? (if it did).
Answer; NO because the majority of vehicles out there NOT running syn and getting high trouble free miles. If they are having problems, its NOT oil related.
That is a FACT.
Bill
Bill you have a point... As someone who regularly is able to drive engines to 400K KM's and have done so on dino in the past with no ill-effects and no lubrication based problems, however I never had an engine equipped with such tight-tolerance lifters with hydraulic lash adjustment that was fussy on oil flow in the winter either so that is what has me nervous...
Then again as you said lots of Hyundai owners use dino bulk oil and junk filters because they don't know any better and they live long lives so I guess mine should too considering Hyundai and other manufacturers are aware of this setup causing noise in the cold with no ill-effects and no TSB issued that says we must use Syn in the winter or catastrophic results will happen.
Even Wikipedia has mention of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_tappet
So I guess I just proved to myself it is ok... So I guess now that the therapy part of this thread is over I just need to pick a dino oil.
Suggestions?
Use your Valvoline WB stash.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: daman
BUT.....when ever you can "speed" up cold oil flow no matter how minute it's a plus....no?....yes?
yes it is
BUT does it MATTER? (if it did).
Answer; NO because the majority of vehicles out there NOT running syn and getting high trouble free miles. If they are having problems, its NOT oil related.
That is a FACT.
Bill
Bill you have a point... As someone who regularly is able to drive engines to 400K KM's and have done so on dino in the past with no ill-effects and no lubrication based problems, however I never had an engine equipped with such tight-tolerance lifters with hydraulic lash adjustment that was fussy on oil flow in the winter either so that is what has me nervous...
Then again as you said lots of Hyundai owners use dino bulk oil and junk filters because they don't know any better and they live long lives so I guess mine should too considering Hyundai and other manufacturers are aware of this setup causing noise in the cold with no ill-effects and no TSB issued that says we must use Syn in the winter or catastrophic results will happen.
Even Wikipedia has mention of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_tappet
So I guess I just proved to myself it is ok... So I guess now that the therapy part of this thread is over I just need to pick a dino oil.
Suggestions?
Use your Valvoline WB stash.
No that is for the Cabriolet as my "Winter" oil that gets installed in the fall just before it gets parked and then is used for quicker flow in the winter starting / driving on dry days. Then I change it in the spring before the hot temperatures get here and swap it with a 5w40 or a 5w50 depending on the sales!
I'm thinking Pennzoil Yellow Bottle, although it smells kinda funny to my nose coming out of the bottle like it's burn't or something. I know this is by no means a technical way of telling one oil from another but it kinda bugs me especially when Quaker State Green Bottle doesn't have the same thing...
I'm thinking Pennzoil Yellow Bottle, although it smells kinda funny to my nose coming out of the bottle like it's burn't or something. I know this is by no means a technical way of telling one oil from another but it kinda bugs me especially when Quaker State Green Bottle doesn't have the same thing...
Sounds like your on the journey of "around-the-circle-we-go". I've been there, still am, and am currently on the whatever-visc-dino-on-sale side of that circle
The choice is only about what makes you sleep better at night. So you might end up back with Redline and an EaO, which can't be a bad choice eh!
The choice is only about what makes you sleep better at night. So you might end up back with Redline and an EaO, which can't be a bad choice eh!
I kinda want to take a valve cover off and have a look see inside my trusty engine but I have stupid seals for the spark-plug tubes as these go through the rocker cover and I read on Hyundai forums that these can leak if messed with so I don't want to take the chance.
Then again I want to see the condition of the timing chain that runs the one cam-shaft off the other that is timed off the belt because these are prone to wear after high miles and I intend to keep the engine for a long time.
Oh the decisions...
Then again I want to see the condition of the timing chain that runs the one cam-shaft off the other that is timed off the belt because these are prone to wear after high miles and I intend to keep the engine for a long time.
Oh the decisions...
Dino at common sense change intervals will serve you well, I'd try a 5-20 in winter and a 5-30 in summer time. I'll let you decide the OCI.
Dinos will keep your engine clean, maybee you will get some very mild varnish, which affects absolutely nothing. I only use synthetic if it is what the manual calls for.
As for brand, any name brand dino is good, I personally like Chevron and Valvoline oils.
Dinos will keep your engine clean, maybee you will get some very mild varnish, which affects absolutely nothing. I only use synthetic if it is what the manual calls for.
As for brand, any name brand dino is good, I personally like Chevron and Valvoline oils.
I hear your points but still suggest Syn.
Right now, Pennzoil platinum 4.4L is $19.99 at my local walmart.
Right now, Pennzoil YB 4.4L is $11.88 at my local walmart.
Even if PP can't do double the OCI, it's still what close to the same $ per KM if you push it past 5-6K KMs.
PYB will be fine in your engine, but PP is barely if not any more $ depending on your OCI.
Yes my prices are in Canadian.
Right now, Pennzoil platinum 4.4L is $19.99 at my local walmart.
Right now, Pennzoil YB 4.4L is $11.88 at my local walmart.
Even if PP can't do double the OCI, it's still what close to the same $ per KM if you push it past 5-6K KMs.
PYB will be fine in your engine, but PP is barely if not any more $ depending on your OCI.
Yes my prices are in Canadian.
Lets see what my latest UOA to Terry reveals... Let's talk dino though in the meantime!
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