Uh, no. EV owners know all about charging. The 1st thing I ask perspective customers is, "How ya gonna charge?"
EVs are not for everyone, no one vehicle is.
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EVs are not for everyone, no one vehicle is.
The FREE MARKET should dictate the EV market. NOT federal mandates......
You are correct I believe two new cosl power plants come online every week in China.
With that said let’s acknowledge that in the last 10 years, they had 37 nuclear power plants come online and 22 under construction and another 70 planned where the United States has added two in ten years.. I mean, we are really on the ball here in the United States.
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Be too cheap to meter right?
It's sad how we've ignored nuclear power. It's near sickening.You are correct I believe two new cosl power plants come online every week in China.
With that said let’s acknowledge that in the last 10 years, they had 37 nuclear power plants come online and 22 under construction and another 70 planned where the United States has added two in ten years.. I mean, we are really on the ball here in the United States.
Sure, you own a garage.
The EV push is like reusable toilet paper 
. It's a great idea on pen and paper but from an Orwell 1984 standpoint, it's got some issues. Fuel is much easier to transport and can't be shutdown cept for a emp. I can cook with Fuel or CNG, and oil production keeps many people with a job. I've heard of more fires 
from an EV vehicle than all cars combined it seems plus it takes more resources to put out a EV car that has caught fire. Currently at almost 330,000 miles, waiting for a EV to go that long. I like the idea but it's not for everyone, most everyone that is.
. It's a great idea on pen and paper but from an Orwell 1984 standpoint, it's got some issues. Fuel is much easier to transport and can't be shutdown cept for a emp. I can cook with Fuel or CNG, and oil production keeps many people with a job. I've heard of more fires from an EV vehicle than all cars combined it seems plus it takes more resources to put out a EV car that has caught fire. Currently at almost 330,000 miles, waiting for a EV to go that long. I like the idea but it's not for everyone, most everyone that is.150% agree and more, freaking ridiculous how paralyzed we have become
A lot of people do. If we want ICE to continue with the current CAFE requirements we should be hoping those that can charge at home buy EVs. It doesn't take a garage at home to charge, but that is a place that could have power.
That's always been my point about this site. We're at the extreme end of care. That's why I thought the getting stranded with an EV stuff was an odd argument here. Even in bad cases we all take way too much care of our vehicles to not know how to handle the situation. It might be inconvenient in certain scenarios, but we'll know how to not get stuck.
I don't recall having a power outage longer than a few hours over the last decade but my whole region ran out of gas for a couple of days once and it was almost impossible to get any for about a week. Weather issues caused that but the electrical supply remained stable.The EV push is like reusable toilet paper
There is nothing wrong with asking for a "lifetime" and by that I mean a limited lifetime eg as long as it is owned by the original purchaser or 20 years transferable. that would insure that new owners and used owners would not suffer a financially catastrophic basically a car totaling expense when buying a used car. I know the stawman arguments "well a gas engine can fail too" and "Tesla batteries are good for all these miles and years" fine prove it by backing up the product. Musk wont even repair defects choosing instead to blame the customer even on a brand new car. Almost any gas or diesel engine can be repaired and the cost cost of the repair can be shopped but to replace thousands of battery cells is not happening.
A battery no matter the type and how much it is cooled has a finite lifespan, the day it was made it began to degrade. Ev's have not be around all that long and when that shoe drops it is not going to be pretty.
As far as electric rates go, if everyone went EV like these lunatics want and doing everything in their power to make it happen including CAFE which is the goal in the elimination gas/diesel vehicles these electric companies without strong price controls and regulation will have open license to charge whatever they want and IMO if anyone believes otherwise they are living in fantasy land along with Walt
Disney.
They have ran out of slave labor to mine the conflict minerals with.
Tesla battery warranties start at 8 years or 100K miles to have 70% retention; the more expensive cars are higher.
For real world Tesla battery statistics, here is a recent study.
I agree, EVs are in their infancy as mass produced vehicles. I also strongly agree there are some horrible electric companies; PG&E has a monopoly here and takes advantage of it, while burning down our forests and blowing up our cities. That was a key reason I installed solar.
I get that!
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We’re too stupid to support our home industries, so they’re gone. That’s not even an EV concept - I state that in the tool time area too.
We’ve all been turned into pawns in a Trojan horse situation.
EV has some utility. The folks polarizing it in either direction don’t help. In the path to electrification, more time improving the tech in hybrids should have been the focus. Instead of the virtue signal.
Right now here is the global reality.
#1 Best selling and most profitable SUV on the planet - Tesla Model Y
#1 Most profitable car on the planet - Tesla Model 3
Certain EVs are dominant. Others not so much.
I do believe Tesla has been massively mismanaged over the last several years when it comes to their product cycle. I wouldn't be surprised if they become a $70 stock.
The funny thing it's also obvious that most of Western Europe and certain densely populated Asian areas of our planet are better off with EVs than ICE vehicles.
They drive less. They have shorter commutes. They have fewer regulations (and lawyers). I would also argue that energy independence is more important for most of these countries than it is in the USA.
Yet Tesla is still the most profitable company on the planet. That tells me two things. First, that the USA is uniquely capable of creating premium products with global appeal. Second, their extreme cost advantage in the marketplace will allow them to continue the path if they get their product development in gear.
Time will tell.
#1 Best selling and most profitable SUV on the planet - Tesla Model Y
#1 Most profitable car on the planet - Tesla Model 3
Certain EVs are dominant. Others not so much.
I do believe Tesla has been massively mismanaged over the last several years when it comes to their product cycle. I wouldn't be surprised if they become a $70 stock.
The funny thing it's also obvious that most of Western Europe and certain densely populated Asian areas of our planet are better off with EVs than ICE vehicles.
They drive less. They have shorter commutes. They have fewer regulations (and lawyers). I would also argue that energy independence is more important for most of these countries than it is in the USA.
Yet Tesla is still the most profitable company on the planet. That tells me two things. First, that the USA is uniquely capable of creating premium products with global appeal. Second, their extreme cost advantage in the marketplace will allow them to continue the path if they get their product development in gear.
Time will tell.
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check the resale on that Tesla or other electric car. Pathetic. worse even than a Kia with the theta engine. When replaceing the battery costs 75% of the value of the car (being nice here) guess what does not happen.
They are so heavy, tire wear and cost are an issue.
They may have to restrict the number or vehicles in parking garages. Take away 50% of the spaces in NY and see what happens.
They simply are not ready. sad thing is they are destroying the environment.
Hydrogen is an answer, except for leaks and Hydrogen embrittlement of many metals.
I do not trust the chinese to make electronics that are reliable for 10 years.
Rod
They are so heavy, tire wear and cost are an issue.
They may have to restrict the number or vehicles in parking garages. Take away 50% of the spaces in NY and see what happens.
They simply are not ready. sad thing is they are destroying the environment.
Hydrogen is an answer, except for leaks and Hydrogen embrittlement of many metals.
I do not trust the chinese to make electronics that are reliable for 10 years.
Rod
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Have some proof? For a friend…
The weight thing is laughable. All cars have gotten heavier. And with the focus on truck and SUVs, which face all the same issues… so what? No small car is that small anymore. And that’s not unique to EV.