Average new car price is $50K ? Insanity.

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That stripped PU would be 30,000 in today‘s inflated dollars.

Given the huge increase in standard features between your Toyota and today’s average car, I would say that the value of content has, at worst remained the same, and it might even be cheaper.
I agree, based on my car buying experiences. Across the board, everything is about 2-5x more expensive than a couple decades ago. You are definitely getting a lot more in car buying safety, power, and tech, today, than 20 years ago, generally speaking.

The larger picture, though, is that American mean salaries are only about 5% higher than 20 years ago; versus a 200% to 500% increase in the costs of most goods. Mean salary for a US worker:
Year 2000: $32,000
2023: $36,000.
We are beating eaten alive by inflation and other macro and micro economic issues. I'll stop there to avoid politics.
 
Yeah, no thanks. I'm done with car payments for a while. Unfortunately it comes with the trade off of expensive repairs and crappy fuel economy with my Grand Cherokee. Am I saving that much? I think I'm caught up with repairs for a while though.

Been packing the miles on the Sonata before my little sister gets her license and she takes it over this summer.
 
I quickly looked at what used Ram trucks similar to mine are going for…. Almost what I paid for mine new almost 3 years ago. It’s whatever, I love that truck and I’ll be the one to drive it to the junkyard, but it sucks because we eventually want something a bit bigger than the van and anything newish and/or low mileage is still ridiculously high.

Same story for our van though. Paid $18.5k for it in 2019 and it had 40-45k miles on it. Similar vans but with 95k miles are selling for $15-$20k today.
 
Any purchase I make, whether it's houses, cars, car repairs, handymen to fix issues at the house, groceries, vacation hotels, plane tickets, cruises, cellphone/internet service for the family, etc, I always try to choose the lowest priced choice and get the highest value for my money. If whoever you are giving money to is either making a tiny amount of profit, or breaking even, or even losing money on the deal, then it's a good deal for you. I avoid any transaction where the other party has a huge profit markup on what they are selling.

Buying a new car for $50k and getting a car with cheapend materials (cheaper dashboard plastic, thinner carpeting, fuel dilution, less quality assurance than in previous years, etc) which is making the maximum profit for the car maker and dealerships is something I have no desire to be a part of. Also, buying a new car means you'll need the expensive car insurance (collision + theft) and possibly even a large monthly car payment too which will drain the extra money you have each month that could have been used to save for your early retirement.
 
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Another thing to consider is resale. If you are shelling-out this much for a new vehicle, with electric vehicle sales increasing along with legislation, expect the resale value of gasoline vehicles to plumet in their later years. Last car purchased was a 2021 I was "forced" to buy new as used car prices made no sense vs. new sticker. Negotiated hard and ended up paying sticker.

Just ordered a more comprehensive OBD II scanner tool and continuing to build my tool and equipment collection. Anticipating will be spending more time under the car in my later years. Call me crazy, but the intent is to have the current vehicles we own the final vehicles we purchase, unless we stumble on a nice convertible deal ;)

Delayed mid-life crisis I know, but still missing my Boxster, although my motorcycle gives me more smiles when the sun shines.
 
An interesting quandry I found when looking for SUV's in 2019, for example a 10 year old Highlander had about the same cargo space and cabin dimensions as a new Rav4. The Highlander did have 3rd row, but beyond that not a lot different. So if someone has a 10 year old Highlander, and trades it in for a new Highlander, there actually not just getting new, there upgrading size by quite a bit.

Same with trim levels. The second or third highest trim levels now have the same amenities as a limited 10 years ago.

So I wonder if anyone besides me evaluates there actual needs, or they just trade like for like?
 
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Another thing to consider is resale. If you are shelling-out this much for a new vehicle, with electric vehicle sales increasing along with legislation, expect the resale value of gasoline vehicles to plumet in their later years. Last car purchased was a 2021 I was "forced" to buy new as used car prices made no sense vs. new sticker. Negotiated hard and ended up paying sticker.

Just ordered a more comprehensive OBD II scanner tool and continuing to build my tool and equipment collection. Anticipating will be spending more time under the car in my later years. Call me crazy, but the intent is to have the current vehicles we own the final vehicles we purchase, unless we stumble on a nice convertible deal ;)

Delayed mid-life crisis I know, but still missing my Boxster, although my motorcycle gives me more smiles when the sun shines.
Depreciation on a new car is horrific, will lose half it's value within 6 years. The move to electric cars may accelerate the depreciation of gasoline cars like you said. I'm very disappointed with the new cars. They seem to be worse than the older ones in terms of comfort and reliability. I also want to avoid the whole 0W-16, 0W-8 craze + fuel dilution trends. The leather in new cars is so cheap, rough, and thin, and on the back of the seats instead of leather you get some cheap material. Often, newer is not better.

For my upcoming mid life crisis on a budget, I'm thinking of a 1994/1995 Acura Legend 6 speed manual, a 1991 Acura NSX (if prices come down on those), 1996 Corvette (with speedometer that goes up to 200 MPH). and a 1995 Mercedes S600 limosene cream puff with very low miles and perhaps the armored version with bullet proof doors and glass and dark tinted windows.
 
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I remember about 1990 ish a plane jane F150 RWD being $7999. I really wanted to buy one - had the cash. Went to college instead - one of my few good financial choices.

Its true car prices have been stagnant for about 15 years, but so have wages for the most part.

Car prices are up about 20% in the last 3 years. I don't think wages are. If they catch up then I guess we will be back to normal, but I don't think interest is going back to zero anytime soon.
Bought one It was $9995 I think list was near 12k or more. Long box, std cab "fire dept" leftover new W/T. Red ext, red interior, rubber hose it out floor. 4.9 L sixer and 5 speed. Vinyl bench seat. The Unfortunately the assembly line workers forgot to bolt the trans to the engine completely - likely due to a "send and return" F.I fuel line clamp not reaching a bell housing bolt as it run up to the fuel rail inlet. Found out the next day pulling out into traffic. Let up the clutch, clutch pedal stuck to the floor, then it let go at the WRONG time and hit the sole of my shoe. Can't win for loosing.
 
A Toyota exec feels average new cars prices could exceed $50,000 this year.

The thing is, Toyota can probably arbitrarily raise prices at least 10% and people would still be lining up to buy them at MSRP because they have a lot of fans who drank the Toyota kool aid. Mind you, I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with Toyota's in general, I'm saying that from a business standpoint that they could raise prices like that and still sell all they make.
 
Remember that average is skew by the high end priced cars. The median price would be a better gauge of the usual transaction price.

Still the dealer is out to get all they can and these added on "market value" stickers are a sucker bet. Falling for that means you really need the vehicle now or are just misinformed.
 
Paid MSRP for a 2023 crosstrek premium with a 6sped manual. about 25K usd, Also got a good colour (not the grotesque muddy gray!)

Saleswoman said previous good customers pay sticker. Got on a list - had to wait a month or so. They had ALL of their incoming inventory pre-sold within a couple days of getting the bill of lading or more correctly - allocation.

It is NOT a highway car with the stick - the gearing is low low low. Revs @ 3500 on the interstate at sane speeds.
 
Remember that average is skew by the high end priced cars. The median price would be a better gauge of the usual transaction price.

Still the dealer is out to get all they can and these added on "market value" stickers are a sucker bet. Falling for that means you really need the vehicle now or are just misinformed.
And the MODE even better.

But I see a lot of "Car Poor" people. Like a new expensive car will bring them some sort of happiness. Or Status.
 
We will own nothing and be happy. Subscriptions for everything!!
i'm quite certain it duz not make happiness but the opposite.
Esp when trying to deal w/a co. They got ur money (direct w/d) so dont need to talk w/U.
I DO agree w/U tho, isnt most stuff (I avoid @ every turn) going that way?
 
Another thing to consider is resale. If you are shelling-out this much for a new vehicle, with electric vehicle sales increasing along with legislation, expect the resale value of gasoline vehicles to plumet in their later years.
I predict the opposite.
1. EVs sales are likely to peak, and mandates rolled back, as reality hits folks like a bucket of cold water. They are the quintissential "over promise, under deliver" product. Their marketing is buried in propaganda, false hope, unicorn tears, rainbow pots of gold, and other wishful thinking.

2. I expect well maintained high quality built ICE used cars to retain value very well in the coming decade, as auto makers scale back in favor of trying to make EVs (which will miserably fail, just look at the data), auto buyers will lust after those reliable ICE of the 2010s and 2020s. Probably to the point of hoarding them as they become irreplaceable.
 

EVs Are The Yugo Of The 21st Century​

I & I Editorial Board
March 28, 2023

Way back in the mid-1980s, communist Yugoslavia exported the Yugo, a compact car that sold for around $4,000. It was so poorly made that bumping into a pole at 5 mph could total it.

Fast forward to today, and a new class of cars has a similar problem. A minor accident can cause a total loss, even if the car’s been driven only a few miles. The only difference is that these cars aren’t cheap imports from some godforsaken socialist state. These are state-of-art electric vehicles that come with an average sticker price of $55,000.

Why are insurance companies totaling low-mileage EVs that have been in a fender bender? For the same reason you could total a new Yugo when backing out of a parking spot. The cost of repair is exorbitant.

As Reuters reported recently, “For many electric vehicles, there is no way to repair or assess even slightly damaged battery packs after accidents,” which means the only viable option is to replace the battery, which represents about half the cost of the car.

A replacement battery for a $44,000 Tesla Model 3 can cost up to $20,000.

One expert told Reuters that Tesla’s Model Y has “zero repairability” because its battery is built into the structure of the car.

As a result, drivers are finding that even a minor accident ends up with their shiny new EVs being hauled away to the junkyard.

Reuters’ search of EV salvage sales in the U.S. and Europe found a large number of low-mileage EVs made by Tesla, Nissan, Hyundai, and others being scrapped.

“At Synetiq, the UK’s largest salvage company, head of operations Michael Hill said over the last 12 months the number of EVs in the isolation bay – where they must be checked to avoid fire risk – at the firm’s Doncaster yard has soared, from perhaps a dozen every three days to up to 20 per day,” Reuters reports.

Insuring an electric car is already 27% more expensive, on average, than a gasoline-powered one. If insurers keep totaling new EVs with minor damage, those rates will only go up.

This won’t be a problem just for EV owners. You can bet that the environmentalists pushing electric cars will soon start complaining that insurance companies are “discriminating” against EVs and demanding that they spread those costs around more widely – forcing owners of conventional cars to subsidize EVs.

EV advocates say not to worry. Car makers, they say, are designing batteries to be more modular and replaceable. They promise that repair costs will eventually come down, and all will be well.

Maybe so, but that’s why force-feeding this technology is so reckless.

In a normal market, carmakers would work out such kinks before mass producing a vehicle, much less
converting their entire fleets over to a new and relatively untested technology. If they couldn’t resolve problems of affordability, reliability, and repairability to consumers’ satisfaction, automakers would scrap the effort and move on to something else.

But our elites think they know better. And they want new cars to be 100% electric within a decade. So, carmakers feel like they have little choice but to plow ahead.

Which brings up another way that today’s EVs are like the Yugos of yesteryear.

One auto critic said of the Yugo that it “had the distinct feeling of something assembled at gunpoint.”

That was probably literally true in the case of the Yugo. But it is essentially the situation with EVs today. Consumers aren’t banging on dealership doors demanding EVs. Ford reported last week that its e-car division is losing billions of dollars a year.

Car companies are pouring money into electric cars only because the government is holding a gun to their heads, saying build EVs or die.

https://issuesinsights.com/2023/03/28/evs-are-the-yugo-of-the-21st-century/
 
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