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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: MarkC
You tend to have a knee-jerk reaction against anything that doesn't glorify our past (or present), which is pretty amusing.


Talk about knee-jerk. Almost every post I make that doesn't agree with your world view, you have to respond. Hilarious. What you say is simply not true....what I "tend" to do in your mind, your fantasy thought of the hour, is of your own making.

Originally Posted By: MarkC
...most such things are taken from events in the past and used in storylines a lot....


Thank you for making my point. Overuse of a theme, exploitation to the point of diminishing returns with a skewed point of view via the movie media comes across as "preachiness" to me. Take it or leave it.

I enjoyed the movie, but the thin theme is old and haggard. If you want to tell me historically how evil white man is, we can have an open truthful discussion. Because I have a point of view on a fictional movie does not fit me into some devolved category any more than it makes those who see gaia in this movie more evolved humans.



Whatever you need to tell yourself, P. But you have no idea what my world view is.

It isn't just "white" men who have a history of exploiting and oppressing, it's part of the history of practically every culture on the planet at one point or another.

I do agree with you, however, that many themes get used too often in movies, but it's not a new thing.
 
The longer I think about this movie - the more I think it could have been a really, really great movie - there are 4 or 5 ways it could have gone (they could have even shown us to be the little shrinkazz planet and species killers we REALLY are, you know full of hate and everything, but capable of change as a whole.....) Anyway it's almost like an insult to make such a spectacular movie with such a bone simple story. In fact using the word "unuptanium" was not even funny, just maybe showed the poor skills of the screen writer. Laughing all the way to the bank....Star Trek is much deeper, IMHO. AND that's not saying much!
 
WERE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!? WAS THAT NOT WHY YOU WERE THERE?!

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Saw it. It was a great movie, especially in 3D. I would say this is a must see at the theater. If you are scarety cat about a little preachiness, the theater will at least distract you with the great visuals. I would think the movie would be less interesting at home, IMO.

Pablo, some of the good guys were white too. So this wasn't a "white man bad" "non-white man good" type of deal. As for as preachiness, it was no worse than Aliens.
 
Originally Posted By: VeeDubb
As for as preachiness, it was no worse than Aliens.


Aw d-hair Total Recall ...ach!

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Well, I am going to see it, even at retail!
But I smell the 'Dances With /Wolves' type of preachiness, and I dread it.


Saw it last night, and it was definitely "Dances with Wolves" in space. The fantastic visuals and well done 3d made up for it and made it a movie worth seeing again, but why does Hollywood keep having to recycle the same plots, themes and stories over and over and over?

Maybe having too many people in the business that all share the same experiences and have the same worldview has something to do with it?
 
This was classic James Cameron. Corporation screws hapless little guy. Gets in trouble with Aliens. We saw this in Alien, Aliens, Alien Ressurection. It's just a story folks. Just like back in the old days, it was about a evil witch or stepmother screwing over the princess. The modern version just evolved with a different set of circumstances. Enjoy it for what it is - entertainment.
 
Just got back. Yes, there was the Disney humanization facial recognition for empathetic purposes motif to it. The 3-D was awesome.

Now give me MechWarior II and let's really blow some stuff up.
 
Saw it in 3-D last night. Really enjoyed it.

Story was a bit weak IMO and repetitive, but overall I liked it. The people complaining about there being racial issues with this movie are really looking for it.

Because the "white man" was the savior in the movie, it set some off. According to one individual from a news story I read, "we need to save ourselves". lol
 
Great graphics and background. Story is WAY to simple and PC.

Bad guys are bad for no reason. Good guys are too perfect in every way and are boring.

Why is the material worth $1 million an ounce (or whatever)?

Why are they blowing up a huge tree that will have to be removed (making eternal enemies of the "difficult to kill" natives) when they could simply MINE their way to it under ground and avoid all the problems. If they can make gigantic bulldozers, this should not be a problem.

The soldiers are freedom fighters when working for the government but instantly turn into blood thirsty killers as soon as they take private money...

The floating mountains interfere with radio and radar but the avatar projectors work just fine...

A big corporation makes an anti-corp, anti-tech movie with computers...

Plenty of cheap shot political statements that I won't go into.

The story really detracted from the great visuals. If you've seen the trailer, you've got the ENTIRE story. Pretty bad for a 2.5 hour movie.
 
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If you've seen the trailer, you've got the ENTIRE story. Pretty bad for a 2.5 hour movie.


Did P.T. Barum get you? You paid your money. It's not their fault you didn't feel you got your money's worth. They deserved it ..you didn't.

You should have done your research. Caveat emptor.
 
Market at work Gary.

No movie industry takes your money (not even at gunpoint) and makes you watch that which you don't want to watch.
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Great graphics and background. Story is WAY to simple and PC.

Bad guys are bad for no reason. Good guys are too perfect in every way and are boring.

Why is the material worth $1 million an ounce (or whatever)?

Why are they blowing up a huge tree that will have to be removed (making eternal enemies of the "difficult to kill" natives) when they could simply MINE their way to it under ground and avoid all the problems. If they can make gigantic bulldozers, this should not be a problem.

The soldiers are freedom fighters when working for the government but instantly turn into blood thirsty killers as soon as they take private money...

The floating mountains interfere with radio and radar but the avatar projectors work just fine...

A big corporation makes an anti-corp, anti-tech movie with computers...

Plenty of cheap shot political statements that I won't go into.

The story really detracted from the great visuals. If you've seen the trailer, you've got the ENTIRE story. Pretty bad for a 2.5 hour movie.


It's always funny to see people offended by a nice message. I wonder how people would react if it was the opposite and promoted destroying the environment, private enterprise at any cost, racism, etc. That would be hilarious to see the reaction to an Anti-Avatar movie.

I didn't think it was THAT anti-corp though; just because it's pro nature doesn't mean it's anti everything else. As for the tree, it's roots were networked underground and destroying it meant the natives would definitely scatter; easier for them to just make a big hole and scoop up the unobtanium. I would have liked to know why it was worth so much money though, I just assumed it has some crazy cool properties to it that no earth element has, you can just infer that.

The soldiers were there for a mission like anything else, they don't question the reason it's their job; like Vietnam, Iraq, etc. They weren't bloodthirsty for no reason, they actually gave the diplomatic approach 3 months in the movie, then moved in with bulldozers to scatter the Na'vi, so they weren't really bloodthirsty at all. I thought they portrayed the NeoCon mentality pretty accurately, and of course you get cinema-level exaggeration.

Guess it's all opinion. I just got the vibe of general respect and rationale etc. Definitely was simple in plot, that's why I liked it. I liked the movie. It was fun in 3D.
 
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The soldiers were there for a mission like anything else, they don't question the reason it's their job

They don't have to be there, so of course they question what they are doing. They even have Michelle Rodriguez question what they are doing as part of the plot.
This movie really paints all former military personnel in a really bad light.
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they actually gave the diplomatic approach 3 months in the movie

The conflict has been going on for a LONG time. It took them 6 years to get there, so there must have been a reason to send them 6 years ago. Also, notice the arrows in the wheels of the equipment when he first gets there, and the commanders injuries. The only reason they gave him 3 months is because they couldn't get their equipment there faster. As soon as they got the equipment there, they attacked.
 
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If you've seen the trailer, you've got the ENTIRE story. Pretty bad for a 2.5 hour movie.


Did P.T. Barum get you? You paid your money. It's not their fault you didn't feel you got your money's worth. They deserved it ..you didn't.

You should have done your research. Caveat emptor.

Can you please tell me were I asked for my money back?
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Originally Posted By: Tempest
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The soldiers were there for a mission like anything else, they don't question the reason it's their job

They don't have to be there, so of course they question what they are doing. They even have Michelle Rodriguez question what they are doing as part of the plot.
This movie really paints all former military personnel in a really bad light.

As a Former Grunt Marine I can tell you that I was not offended nor did I feel painted in a bad light. FOrmer Military who become Soldiers of fortune are not in national defense. They are whoring their skills out for cash with no regard to consequences of their employment. This is not honorable and has nothing to do with a our voluntary miltitary forces. To take up arms for money(our military veterans can attest there is little money to be made in the US military)is not to serve any purpose but ones self and attracts people with poor character traits. THat is the oppossite of what makes good military men.
Out of the service I am free to take positions in the private sector to provide services for profit. Taking up arms for profit would make my stomach turn.
 
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