Auto-RX in 3.0L Camry

[PontiacFan]

Originally Posted By: cronk
Originally Posted By: PontiacFan
Originally Posted By: bmwtechguy
While I like Auto-rx and have used and still use it with very good success, there are limits to what it can do. It must have flow to do any good, and when the gravity flow STOPS on these drainback holes, Auto-Rx cannot clean them out.


If this is true, then where are the DISCLAIMERS on the auto-rx site.


Give me a break! You need a disclaimer to say it needs to circulate through the engine to work?
Do you also need a disclaimer on your knifes to tell you they are sharp, or your stove to tell you its hot?
I guess you need some level of common sense to use Auto RX.


I did a search since I'm new here, and it seems auto-rx has less than a stellar record. A friend gave me a bottle, it sat in my trunk, and I went out the next morning when I was about to pour it into my engine, and guess what, the auto-rx was not even pouring out, this is not a product I want in my engine, I decided to go and buy a quart of MMO and the next morning and it poured right into my engine. Both morning's the temperatures were about the same.

I know alot of members like auto-rx, but I am glad I learned how to use the search function and gather some information, but I will be giving back the auto-rx to my friend since it does not shake in the bottle, you would think that a product like auto-rx would pour better than regular motor oil, but that is not the case, I will see what MMO does, and I then can always try Kreen.

 

[demarpaint]

PontiacFan- What if any engine cleaning products have you used in the past? MMO and Kreen seem to do the job quite well.

 

[PontiacFan]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
PontiacFan- What if any engine cleaning products have you used in the past? MMO and Kreen seem to do the job quite well.


I have only used MMO in my fuel before joining BITOG, it was not until I found this site that I learned about the benefits of using MMO in my oil, I will keep members updated about my results of using MMO in my oil.

I think Kreen is a great product, but I feel my engine does not need this product at this time.

 

[demarpaint]

Sounds good PontiacFan, let us know.

 

[Ken2]

Quote:
A friend gave me a bottle, it sat in my trunk, and I went out the next morning when I was about to pour it into my engine, and guess what, the auto-rx was not even pouring out, this is not a product I want in my engine,

Cold Auto-Rx is like a prune slushee. It is completely different when dissolved in oil. I warm the Auto-Rx I use in a pan of hot tap water before pouring it into the engine. It has done what it says it'll do for me three times. I'll buy Auto-Rx again when the need arises.

 

[PontiacFan]

Originally Posted By: Ken2
Cold Auto-Rx is like a prune slushee. It is completely different when dissolved in oil. I warm the Auto-Rx I use in a pan of hot tap water before pouring it into the engine. It has done what it says it'll do for me three times. I'll buy Auto-Rx again when the need arises.


Thanks for the info Ken, I'll pass, I'd rather not toss something that won't shake or pour into my engine when it is cold outside. I have had good success over the years with MMO in the gas, I'll give it a shot in the oil. Lots of satisfied users here, and no one is/getting PAID to talk about it as far as I can tell.

I'll keep you guys up to date on the progress when I do it.

 

[badtlc]

My engine was cold started today at -10F and AutoRX in the sump with no problems or weird sounds.

 

[PontiacFan]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
My engine was cold started today at -10F and AutoRX in the sump with no problems or weird sounds.


That is probably because you had a totally clean engine, you probably have taken care of your vehicle, so if that is the case then you did not need a product like auto-rx.

 

[Trajan]

Arx pouring out of a bottle has no relation to how it acts in an engine.

It doesn't stop the engine from starting, or from getting lubrication.

If how it pours out of a bottle when cold is such a concern, leave the bottle in the house.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: PontiacFan
Originally Posted By: badtlc
My engine was cold started today at -10F and AutoRX in the sump with no problems or weird sounds.


That is probably because you had a totally clean engine, you probably have taken care of your vehicle, so if that is the case then you did not need a product like auto-rx.


I use ARX for other benefits, not cleaning. Mainly, it reduced my fuel dilution, increased compression and improved MPGs and declined fuel usage while idling. All of it is probably the simple results from improved ring sealing using ARX.

 

[hate2work]

Originally Posted By: PontiacFan
Originally Posted By: badtlc
My engine was cold started today at -10F and AutoRX in the sump with no problems or weird sounds.


That is probably because you had a totally clean engine, you probably have taken care of your vehicle, so if that is the case then you did not need a product like auto-rx.


I think you missed the point. Even tho arx is thick when pouring it in, the engine oil is still thin enough to start well even at very low temps.

 

[PontiacFan]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Arx pouring out of a bottle has no relation to how it acts in an engine.

It doesn't stop the engine from starting, or from getting lubrication.

If how it pours out of a bottle when cold is such a concern, leave the bottle in the house.


My concern is it does not pour out of a bottle at all when it is cold outside. Leaving it in a house or heating it is an option, sure, but the point is unless heated it will not pour. I'd rather not have it in my oil. The fact that it does not pour when cold has to have an effect on the oil once it mixes in. I am sure the mfg would say otherwise, but, I want all the help I can get with cold starts. I'll pass and use the MMO, or Kreen, Thanks for the info.

 

[PontiacFan]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
I use ARX for other benefits, not cleaning. Mainly, it reduced my fuel dilution, increased compression and improved MPGs and declined fuel usage while idling. All of it is probably the simple results from improved ring sealing using ARX.


How much auto-rx does it take to increase compression, reduce fuel dilution, and increase mpg? The stuff seems very thick when cold and I have no guarantees that it is not negatively impacting my oil in cold weather, only what a handful of guys are saying here on BITOG, no real proof. Sorry, this Jersey Boy does not buy into independent reports, especially when a product mfg pays for them. I have had similar results adding 4 ounces of MMO to 10 gallons of gasoline, easier starting too, and a good UCL. Sorry, I am going to continue to research this auto-rx product, but my findings are telling me to pass. Thanks again for the info, it will be taken under advisement. Maybe I will give it a shot in the summer.

 

[zyxelenator]

Auto-RX is thick when it's cold, like old diesel. I heated it up in pan with hot water, and then it becomes black liquid much thinner than oil. It wont thick up when it blends with oil.
So far car runs fine, but now I can clearly monitor oil, and it eats a lot. Keeping it topped off. Hope MMO will fix it after ARX treatment, or maybe some oil will burn less. Will see what happens.

 

[Mystic]

PontiacFan I was a big Auto-RX supporter here for a long time because the stuff actually seemed to stop a seal leak. But I agree it is really thick and I never liked the idea of adding it to oil in cold weather. I think the summer months are better for a product like this.

MMO is the exact opposite and will actually help the oil flow better in the wintertime, plus MMO is cheaper and more readily available. I am giving MMO a trial in my oil right now.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: PontiacFan
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Arx pouring out of a bottle has no relation to how it acts in an engine.

It doesn't stop the engine from starting, or from getting lubrication.

If how it pours out of a bottle when cold is such a concern, leave the bottle in the house.


My concern is it does not pour out of a bottle at all when it is cold outside. Leaving it in a house or heating it is an option, sure, but the point is unless heated it will not pour. I'd rather not have it in my oil. The fact that it does not pour when cold has to have an effect on the oil once it mixes in. I am sure the mfg would say otherwise, but, I want all the help I can get with cold starts. I'll pass and use the MMO, or Kreen, Thanks for the info.


How it pours out of a bottle has no correlation to how it acts mixed with 4+ quarts of oil. Certainly never affected any of my cars. But, use what you want.

12oz of MMO isn't going to make much of any difference as far as cold oil flow either. I already run a 0w-XX.

 

[Mystic]

Seems to me that if you pour something very thick into motor oil that is much less thick the oil has to be thickened somewhat, even if only a little bit. Auto-RX may come in different size bottles but I always used the 12 fluid ounce bottle, which is a third of a quart. My car uses 5 quarts of oil.

I know for a fact (having used Auto-X) that in very cold weather Auto-RX will not flow at all until it is warmed up. I think it is thicker than the old STP.

Back in the days when people used single viscosity oil, everybody knew that you did not use 30 weight oil in the wintertime, unless you lived somewhere where it is warm in the wintertime. You used a lighter weight oil (such as 20W or 10W) in the wintertime. Even with my 2003 Saturn Ion 5W30 is preferred, 0W30 or 5W30 can be used in the wintertime, and 10W30 is supposed to be used only in warm weather.

So to me it still seems like a good idea to use a very thick oil supplement in warmer weather. Not to mention the fact that the Auto-RX may be more effective in warmer weather.

 

[jetboy66]

Originally Posted By: PontiacFan
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Arx pouring out of a bottle has no relation to how it acts in an engine.

It doesn't stop the engine from starting, or from getting lubrication.

If how it pours out of a bottle when cold is such a concern, leave the bottle in the house.


My concern is it does not pour out of a bottle at all when it is cold outside. Leaving it in a house or heating it is an option, sure, but the point is unless heated it will not pour. I'd rather not have it in my oil. The fact that it does not pour when cold has to have an effect on the oil once it mixes in. I am sure the mfg would say otherwise, but, I want all the help I can get with cold starts. I'll pass and use the MMO, or Kreen, Thanks for the info.



I just used ARX for the first time. I had it stored in my cold garage for about a week before I used it. On a whim I decided to pre-mix it with the oil I was putting in my engine in a large plastic jug. It was thicker than molasses as I was trying to pour (squeeze) it out of the bottle into the jug. Once I did get it all out and mixed with the oil, it loosened right up without being heated in any way. The oil and ARX mixed perfectly without any clumps or globs. It poured into the engine just fine. I wouldn't worry about it at all.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: PontiacFan
Originally Posted By: badtlc
I use ARX for other benefits, not cleaning. Mainly, it reduced my fuel dilution, increased compression and improved MPGs and declined fuel usage while idling. All of it is probably the simple results from improved ring sealing using ARX.


How much auto-rx does it take to increase compression, reduce fuel dilution, and increase mpg? The stuff seems very thick when cold and I have no guarantees that it is not negatively impacting my oil in cold weather, only what a handful of guys are saying here on BITOG, no real proof. Sorry, this Jersey Boy does not buy into independent reports, especially when a product mfg pays for them. I have had similar results adding 4 ounces of MMO to 10 gallons of gasoline, easier starting too, and a good UCL. Sorry, I am going to continue to research this auto-rx product, but my findings are telling me to pass. Thanks again for the info, it will be taken under advisement. Maybe I will give it a shot in the summer.


I use 4oz/4quarts. I have actually measured my results not done some fairytale-look-and-guess method.

and your independent tests remark doesn't make any sense. someone has to pay for it. have you ever seen a customer shell out their own dollars for no personal gain? Nobody pays for a test w/out some vested interest. As long as the lab is an ethical, truly scientific lab, there is no issue.

I'd take any mfr paid 3rd party test over the "it feels better" posts any day of the week.

 

[PontiacFan]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
and your independent tests remark doesn't make any sense. someone has to pay for it. have you ever seen a customer shell out their own dollars for no personal gain? Nobody pays for a test w/out some vested interest.


I am wondering how much auto-rx has paid on Research and Development, this 3rd party statement has me thinking they have not really tested this product. JMO