ARX made my lifters noisy?
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If you think that's 'perfectly clean' you need your eyes tested!
Enough with the ARX! That filter looks about typical for an engine with conventional oil, e.g full of nastyness. Replace it and move on with life.
If you want a clean engine, use synthetic oil and keep to a short OCI. The only way to get sludge out of an engine is to change the oil+filter.
If you want to clean an engine, use somewhere between a pint/quart of MMO added to the crank case a few hundred miles before the next oil change, and then use synthetic oil there after.
In my experience Lubro Moly MoS2 Anti-friction additive can be helpful for reducing friction at start-up w/o changing the bulk oil properties.
Running a 20% fill of MMO will do alot of cleaning, and make the engine more "fun" by reducing the top end viscosity rating of the oil. E.g 5w30 becomes more like 5W-20. Weather this is a good idea for year round use I don't know. Probably ok to do in the winter time though.
If you want a clean engine, use synthetic oil and keep to a short OCI. The only way to get sludge out of an engine is to change the oil+filter.
If you want to clean an engine, use somewhere between a pint/quart of MMO added to the crank case a few hundred miles before the next oil change, and then use synthetic oil there after.
In my experience Lubro Moly MoS2 Anti-friction additive can be helpful for reducing friction at start-up w/o changing the bulk oil properties.
Running a 20% fill of MMO will do alot of cleaning, and make the engine more "fun" by reducing the top end viscosity rating of the oil. E.g 5w30 becomes more like 5W-20. Weather this is a good idea for year round use I don't know. Probably ok to do in the winter time though.
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You're probably over the good part of it, but I'd normally say that was a potential waste of the product. Again, you're probably through enough to not have lost much time in service.
You've been told that this is a known side effect.
Now ..and listen carefully...don't be surprised if you hear EVEN MORE ticks and clicks during the rinse phase ..at least toward the beginning. This is NOT uncommon.
You've been told that this is a known side effect.
Now ..and listen carefully...don't be surprised if you hear EVEN MORE ticks and clicks during the rinse phase ..at least toward the beginning. This is NOT uncommon.
You must come to understand the Tao of AutoRx.
AutoRx is not an additive... but you must add it to oil.
Your metals may not look clean... but it is a metal cleaner.
It seems thick, yet does not affect viscosity of the host oil... The Tao cares not for the physics of men.
Many people have failed to get results... these are novices who are without the Tao.
Some Masters of the Tao do not follow the directions, but they get results... However, a novice must not transcend structure until his check clears.
AutoRx always works... If it does not, the user has not immersed himself in the Tao.
Sometimes there is a lifter tick... This is the engine becoming one with the Tao of AutoRx.
The ticking may get louder and drops of oil may fall to the ground... Dance to the rhythmic ticking of the drops and lifters and sprinkle the ground with cat litter.
The Tao was before all. Dinosaurs were not cognizant of the Tao, yet it flowed in their veins. Sheep have never understood it's mysteries, yet it is distilled in their juices. An engine knows nothing except pressure and heat, yet these two are the very fabric of the Tao. When the Juice of the Dinosaur and the Juice of the Sheep become one in the pressure and heat of the engine the Tao is made corporeal in the customer's vehicle and truly he has received his money's worth. If not, he may expect the second coming of his cash or credit.
AutoRx is not an additive... but you must add it to oil.
Your metals may not look clean... but it is a metal cleaner.
It seems thick, yet does not affect viscosity of the host oil... The Tao cares not for the physics of men.
Many people have failed to get results... these are novices who are without the Tao.
Some Masters of the Tao do not follow the directions, but they get results... However, a novice must not transcend structure until his check clears.
AutoRx always works... If it does not, the user has not immersed himself in the Tao.
Sometimes there is a lifter tick... This is the engine becoming one with the Tao of AutoRx.
The ticking may get louder and drops of oil may fall to the ground... Dance to the rhythmic ticking of the drops and lifters and sprinkle the ground with cat litter.
The Tao was before all. Dinosaurs were not cognizant of the Tao, yet it flowed in their veins. Sheep have never understood it's mysteries, yet it is distilled in their juices. An engine knows nothing except pressure and heat, yet these two are the very fabric of the Tao. When the Juice of the Dinosaur and the Juice of the Sheep become one in the pressure and heat of the engine the Tao is made corporeal in the customer's vehicle and truly he has received his money's worth. If not, he may expect the second coming of his cash or credit.
Originally Posted By: ionbeam22
That filter looks about typical for an engine with conventional oil.
+1, nothing out of the ordinary with that filter.
As mentioned, let us know how things change in the rinse phase, others have reported the same thing.
That filter looks about typical for an engine with conventional oil.
+1, nothing out of the ordinary with that filter.
As mentioned, let us know how things change in the rinse phase, others have reported the same thing.
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Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
You must come to understand the Tao of AutoRx.
AutoRx is not an additive... but you must add it to oil.
Your metals may not look clean... but it is a metal cleaner.
It seems thick, yet does not affect viscosity of the host oil... The Tao cares not for the physics of men.
Many people have failed to get results... these are novices who are without the Tao.
Some Masters of the Tao do not follow the directions, but they get results... However, a novice must not transcend structure until his check clears.
AutoRx always works... If it does not, the user has not immersed himself in the Tao.
Sometimes there is a lifter tick... This is the engine becoming one with the Tao of AutoRx.
The ticking may get louder and drops of oil may fall to the ground... Dance to the rhythmic ticking of the drops and lifters and sprinkle the ground with cat litter.
The Tao was before all. Dinosaurs were not cognizant of the Tao, yet it flowed in their veins. Sheep have never understood it's mysteries, yet it is distilled in their juices. An engine knows nothing except pressure and heat, yet these two are the very fabric of the Tao. When the Juice of the Dinosaur and the Juice of the Sheep become one in the pressure and heat of the engine the Tao is made corporeal in the customer's vehicle and truly he has received his money's worth. If not, he may expect the second coming of his cash or credit.
Do you have some mission statement that goes along with this campaign?
You must come to understand the Tao of AutoRx.
AutoRx is not an additive... but you must add it to oil.
Your metals may not look clean... but it is a metal cleaner.
It seems thick, yet does not affect viscosity of the host oil... The Tao cares not for the physics of men.
Many people have failed to get results... these are novices who are without the Tao.
Some Masters of the Tao do not follow the directions, but they get results... However, a novice must not transcend structure until his check clears.
AutoRx always works... If it does not, the user has not immersed himself in the Tao.
Sometimes there is a lifter tick... This is the engine becoming one with the Tao of AutoRx.
The ticking may get louder and drops of oil may fall to the ground... Dance to the rhythmic ticking of the drops and lifters and sprinkle the ground with cat litter.
The Tao was before all. Dinosaurs were not cognizant of the Tao, yet it flowed in their veins. Sheep have never understood it's mysteries, yet it is distilled in their juices. An engine knows nothing except pressure and heat, yet these two are the very fabric of the Tao. When the Juice of the Dinosaur and the Juice of the Sheep become one in the pressure and heat of the engine the Tao is made corporeal in the customer's vehicle and truly he has received his money's worth. If not, he may expect the second coming of his cash or credit.
Do you have some mission statement that goes along with this campaign?
Originally Posted By: sprintman
If you think that's 'perfectly clean' you need your eyes tested!
That meant the opposite of a "clogged filter" as some have suggested... That filter is definitely not clogged and it just look exactly similar to any other oil filter I have cracked open on that car running either synthetic or blend: no sludge, nothing trapped, just a wet filter basically. I'm not considering the color of the oil: pour some ARX in fresh oil and it will look as a 10K used oil... So yes for me that filter is "perfectly clean".
It's the 2nd time I use ARX in this engine. I first use ARX 3 years ago because of all the hype it got on that site and thinking my Volvo (150K miles at that time) needed a cleaning. The cleaning phase went OK (no noise) but remember at that time the instructions were different: cleaning phase was only 1500 miles as written on the can. The filter after that cleaning phase just looked the same as the one here, same for the filter at the end of the rinse phase so I didn't do the 2nd application and kept my hard earned ARX for another time. Now again at 200K miles I thought let's do some cleaning again and see, this time with the updated instructions of 2500 miles for cleaning. Funny enough the lifter noise appeared around 1500 miles of cleaning....
Now OK some people will say ARX ALWAYS work etc. I'm not into that debate. I have no evidence on my engine that ARX did work but this is mostly due because that engine is pretty clean in general and I did not do any compression test etc. I'm not saying ARX doesn't work but I'm saying it may behave somewhat differently than "as advertised". Several possibilities:
- if the lifter noise is caused by ARX thickening up the oil, it does affect oil properties. I have no evidence of this, just trying to find explanations.
- if the lifter noise is caused by something stuck (sludge) in a lifter, then ARX is acting as most other engine cleaner and can potentially remove thins unsafely so as to partially block oil passages. But then why can't we see anything stuck in the filter as well?
- the lifter noise has nothing to do with ARX....funny enough on the first cold start of the engine with fresh new oil (same host oil) and new filter: no noise!
Will do the rinse phase now and move on to a groupIII oil after that.
If you think that's 'perfectly clean' you need your eyes tested!
That meant the opposite of a "clogged filter" as some have suggested... That filter is definitely not clogged and it just look exactly similar to any other oil filter I have cracked open on that car running either synthetic or blend: no sludge, nothing trapped, just a wet filter basically. I'm not considering the color of the oil: pour some ARX in fresh oil and it will look as a 10K used oil... So yes for me that filter is "perfectly clean".
It's the 2nd time I use ARX in this engine. I first use ARX 3 years ago because of all the hype it got on that site and thinking my Volvo (150K miles at that time) needed a cleaning. The cleaning phase went OK (no noise) but remember at that time the instructions were different: cleaning phase was only 1500 miles as written on the can. The filter after that cleaning phase just looked the same as the one here, same for the filter at the end of the rinse phase so I didn't do the 2nd application and kept my hard earned ARX for another time. Now again at 200K miles I thought let's do some cleaning again and see, this time with the updated instructions of 2500 miles for cleaning. Funny enough the lifter noise appeared around 1500 miles of cleaning....
Now OK some people will say ARX ALWAYS work etc. I'm not into that debate. I have no evidence on my engine that ARX did work but this is mostly due because that engine is pretty clean in general and I did not do any compression test etc. I'm not saying ARX doesn't work but I'm saying it may behave somewhat differently than "as advertised". Several possibilities:
- if the lifter noise is caused by ARX thickening up the oil, it does affect oil properties. I have no evidence of this, just trying to find explanations.
- if the lifter noise is caused by something stuck (sludge) in a lifter, then ARX is acting as most other engine cleaner and can potentially remove thins unsafely so as to partially block oil passages. But then why can't we see anything stuck in the filter as well?
- the lifter noise has nothing to do with ARX....funny enough on the first cold start of the engine with fresh new oil (same host oil) and new filter: no noise!
Will do the rinse phase now and move on to a groupIII oil after that.
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Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
You must come to understand the Tao of AutoRx.
AutoRx is not an additive... but you must add it to oil.
Your metals may not look clean... but it is a metal cleaner.
It seems thick, yet does not affect viscosity of the host oil... The Tao cares not for the physics of men.
Many people have failed to get results... these are novices who are without the Tao.
Some Masters of the Tao do not follow the directions, but they get results... However, a novice must not transcend structure until his check clears.
AutoRx always works... If it does not, the user has not immersed himself in the Tao.
Sometimes there is a lifter tick... This is the engine becoming one with the Tao of AutoRx.
The ticking may get louder and drops of oil may fall to the ground... Dance to the rhythmic ticking of the drops and lifters and sprinkle the ground with cat litter.
The Tao was before all. Dinosaurs were not cognizant of the Tao, yet it flowed in their veins. Sheep have never understood it's mysteries, yet it is distilled in their juices. An engine knows nothing except pressure and heat, yet these two are the very fabric of the Tao. When the Juice of the Dinosaur and the Juice of the Sheep become one in the pressure and heat of the engine the Tao is made corporeal in the customer's vehicle and truly he has received his money's worth. If not, he may expect the second coming of his cash or credit.
You must come to understand the Tao of AutoRx.
AutoRx is not an additive... but you must add it to oil.
Your metals may not look clean... but it is a metal cleaner.
It seems thick, yet does not affect viscosity of the host oil... The Tao cares not for the physics of men.
Many people have failed to get results... these are novices who are without the Tao.
Some Masters of the Tao do not follow the directions, but they get results... However, a novice must not transcend structure until his check clears.
AutoRx always works... If it does not, the user has not immersed himself in the Tao.
Sometimes there is a lifter tick... This is the engine becoming one with the Tao of AutoRx.
The ticking may get louder and drops of oil may fall to the ground... Dance to the rhythmic ticking of the drops and lifters and sprinkle the ground with cat litter.
The Tao was before all. Dinosaurs were not cognizant of the Tao, yet it flowed in their veins. Sheep have never understood it's mysteries, yet it is distilled in their juices. An engine knows nothing except pressure and heat, yet these two are the very fabric of the Tao. When the Juice of the Dinosaur and the Juice of the Sheep become one in the pressure and heat of the engine the Tao is made corporeal in the customer's vehicle and truly he has received his money's worth. If not, he may expect the second coming of his cash or credit.
Gary you should see his campaign on Noria with his 'mate' Little Bear, it's really something. Terry Dyson rejoined Noria just to blow them out of the water which he did in his inimitable way. I'd post his email to me on MMO and Bear but it probably isn't PC and I won't do anything to upset Helen. People go to Noria and read for yourself.
Originally Posted By: sprintman
We must listen to the Green goose who has been here all of 5 minutes. Gary you should see his campaign on Noria with his 'mate' Little Bear, it's really something. Terry Dyson rejoined Noria just to blow them out of the water which he did in his inimitable way. I'd post his email to me on MMO and Bear but it probably isn't PC and I won't do anything to upset Helen. People go to Noria and read for yourself.
Is it eventually possible to have an issue or not being satisfied with ARX and trying to understand why....without being considered stupid over here?
ARX seems like a religion on BITOG and like always with religions, hard facts and questions are being pushed away when they tend to compromise faith. Please guys don't start a flame war and try to forget for one moment your religious beliefs and come up with explanation for a stupid guy like me. Why do my lifters end up noisy on ARX while on the same time there is absolutely no evidence of cleaning taking place in my engine when looking at the filter? Why also are my lifters quiet now that I drained the oil and renew the oil filter?
We must listen to the Green goose who has been here all of 5 minutes. Gary you should see his campaign on Noria with his 'mate' Little Bear, it's really something. Terry Dyson rejoined Noria just to blow them out of the water which he did in his inimitable way. I'd post his email to me on MMO and Bear but it probably isn't PC and I won't do anything to upset Helen. People go to Noria and read for yourself.
Is it eventually possible to have an issue or not being satisfied with ARX and trying to understand why....without being considered stupid over here?
ARX seems like a religion on BITOG and like always with religions, hard facts and questions are being pushed away when they tend to compromise faith. Please guys don't start a flame war and try to forget for one moment your religious beliefs and come up with explanation for a stupid guy like me. Why do my lifters end up noisy on ARX while on the same time there is absolutely no evidence of cleaning taking place in my engine when looking at the filter? Why also are my lifters quiet now that I drained the oil and renew the oil filter?
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I don't think it's a universally-amazing wonder-fluid, but I have seen it work well.
In terms of "no evidence of cleaning", you said the vehicle was pretty clean to start with so I'm not sure what you're expecting to see. If it dissolves some varnish, and cleans some carbon from the rings, and there was never any sludge - what are you looking to see? When I ran it in my also clean BMW, I saw a power and "smoothness" (yes, granted that is subjective) increase. All I ever found in my filter was a couple of tiny curly-ques of carbon that aren't usually there.
I saw you mention that right away on startup with fresh oil the noise is gone. I don't really see just what ARX could do to the viscosity which would affect it that directly. There's a huge range of oil viscosities your engine will see from the same fill between cold starts, warm starts, hot starts, long runs uphill etc... that it's hard to believe a small change from a couple of ounces of ARX would suddenly cause lifter racket.
Maybe something else is going on? Maybe your oil was loaded up with something, or "worn out" from holding lots of crud in suspension? Maybe it was becoming abrasive? I'm not arguing what you saw, but I would expect it to be something other than simple viscosity which caused the issue. I would have been interested in what you saw with a filter change only. Lots of people having nothing to do with ARX have anti drain back problems with filters which cause lifter rattle on startup and it has nothing to do with the oil, for instance.
In terms of "no evidence of cleaning", you said the vehicle was pretty clean to start with so I'm not sure what you're expecting to see. If it dissolves some varnish, and cleans some carbon from the rings, and there was never any sludge - what are you looking to see? When I ran it in my also clean BMW, I saw a power and "smoothness" (yes, granted that is subjective) increase. All I ever found in my filter was a couple of tiny curly-ques of carbon that aren't usually there.
I saw you mention that right away on startup with fresh oil the noise is gone. I don't really see just what ARX could do to the viscosity which would affect it that directly. There's a huge range of oil viscosities your engine will see from the same fill between cold starts, warm starts, hot starts, long runs uphill etc... that it's hard to believe a small change from a couple of ounces of ARX would suddenly cause lifter racket.
Maybe something else is going on? Maybe your oil was loaded up with something, or "worn out" from holding lots of crud in suspension? Maybe it was becoming abrasive? I'm not arguing what you saw, but I would expect it to be something other than simple viscosity which caused the issue. I would have been interested in what you saw with a filter change only. Lots of people having nothing to do with ARX have anti drain back problems with filters which cause lifter rattle on startup and it has nothing to do with the oil, for instance.
Sprintman's right - everybody go over to Noria and check out the thread that's going over there. It's long, but well worth the read. AutoRx is revealed as a sham, Sprintman admits to being a Spy, and Terry is revealed as a palm reader. For my part, Sprintman calls me and this Big Bear guy "nobs," "blowhards," and "losers."
He's a very professional spy.
He's a very professional spy.
Originally Posted By: Craig in Canada
In terms of "no evidence of cleaning", you said the vehicle was pretty clean to start with so I'm not sure what you're expecting to see. If it dissolves some varnish, and cleans some carbon from the rings, and there was never any sludge - what are you looking to see?
You're right, my engine was clean so I didn't really expect anything significant. I just had ordered more ARX than needed and decided that another cleaning wouldn't do any harm, especially before moving to groupIII oil. The point here is that I maybe didn't expect ARX to do anything in my clean engine, but overall I didn't expect it to cause or reveal (directly or indirectly) a problem other than potentially a leak (that again would have proved something had taken place as far as cleaning goes). So the problem is reverse: I didn't expect to get lifter noises and I got them after 1500 miles. Ok then people here suggested my filter may be clogged so I checked...and can't find any evidence of it being clogged or even dirty at all. From now on I'm trying to understand what may have happened then.
Originally Posted By: Craig in Canada
I saw you mention that right away on startup with fresh oil the noise is gone. I don't really see just what ARX could do to the viscosity which would affect it that directly. There's a huge range of oil viscosities your engine will see from the same fill between cold starts, warm starts, hot starts, long runs uphill etc... that it's hard to believe a small change from a couple of ounces of ARX would suddenly cause lifter racket. Maybe something else is going on? Maybe your oil was loaded up with something, or "worn out" from holding lots of crud in suspension?
The problem is probably not ARX+oil but ARX+oil+1500 miles. I got no noise for the first 1500 miles then it started "suddenly" (yes as if something had broken loose) and at every cold start (even not so cold, with outside temp at 20°c). Now after oil+filter change, I get no noise as far as it goes. You're right, I should have tried with just the new filter without renewing the oil but after seeing that the filter was "clean" and unclogged I thought it could come from the oil+ARX only...and it seems to be the case up to now. If the oil were loaded I should have seen something in the filter. And I don't think that oil to become problematic after 2000 miles when I had used it for 6000 miles OCI in the past without any issue. The only reasonable thought I can have is that indeed something came loose and may have been removed during the oil change. I just find it hard to believe that if anything got loose, nothing ended up in the oil filter. And anyway if indeed the theory of something getting loose and potentially prohibiting cold oil to flow up to the lifters on cold starts was correct, that would make ARX a "not so safe" metal cleaner as advertised...
I understand this issue is weird and my point is not to say whether ARX does work or not. Obviously my "clean" engine is not a good candidate to test either of those hypothesis. But my main concern with additives is first whether they're safe and this experience of hearing loud lifter noises did make me nervous. I'm now trying to understand what could have happened. I will have to see further into the rinse phase if the noise appears again as I've only fired the car 3 times since the oil change of yesterday. Hopefully some suggestion from people like you will bring much more interesting thoughts than from people acting religiously (or commercially...) in favor or against a specific product
Anyway the cleaning phase was 2000 miles instead of the recommended 2500 miles. I don't think that's too bad.
Cheers
In terms of "no evidence of cleaning", you said the vehicle was pretty clean to start with so I'm not sure what you're expecting to see. If it dissolves some varnish, and cleans some carbon from the rings, and there was never any sludge - what are you looking to see?
You're right, my engine was clean so I didn't really expect anything significant. I just had ordered more ARX than needed and decided that another cleaning wouldn't do any harm, especially before moving to groupIII oil. The point here is that I maybe didn't expect ARX to do anything in my clean engine, but overall I didn't expect it to cause or reveal (directly or indirectly) a problem other than potentially a leak (that again would have proved something had taken place as far as cleaning goes). So the problem is reverse: I didn't expect to get lifter noises and I got them after 1500 miles. Ok then people here suggested my filter may be clogged so I checked...and can't find any evidence of it being clogged or even dirty at all. From now on I'm trying to understand what may have happened then.
Originally Posted By: Craig in Canada
I saw you mention that right away on startup with fresh oil the noise is gone. I don't really see just what ARX could do to the viscosity which would affect it that directly. There's a huge range of oil viscosities your engine will see from the same fill between cold starts, warm starts, hot starts, long runs uphill etc... that it's hard to believe a small change from a couple of ounces of ARX would suddenly cause lifter racket. Maybe something else is going on? Maybe your oil was loaded up with something, or "worn out" from holding lots of crud in suspension?
The problem is probably not ARX+oil but ARX+oil+1500 miles. I got no noise for the first 1500 miles then it started "suddenly" (yes as if something had broken loose) and at every cold start (even not so cold, with outside temp at 20°c). Now after oil+filter change, I get no noise as far as it goes. You're right, I should have tried with just the new filter without renewing the oil but after seeing that the filter was "clean" and unclogged I thought it could come from the oil+ARX only...and it seems to be the case up to now. If the oil were loaded I should have seen something in the filter. And I don't think that oil to become problematic after 2000 miles when I had used it for 6000 miles OCI in the past without any issue. The only reasonable thought I can have is that indeed something came loose and may have been removed during the oil change. I just find it hard to believe that if anything got loose, nothing ended up in the oil filter. And anyway if indeed the theory of something getting loose and potentially prohibiting cold oil to flow up to the lifters on cold starts was correct, that would make ARX a "not so safe" metal cleaner as advertised...
I understand this issue is weird and my point is not to say whether ARX does work or not. Obviously my "clean" engine is not a good candidate to test either of those hypothesis. But my main concern with additives is first whether they're safe and this experience of hearing loud lifter noises did make me nervous. I'm now trying to understand what could have happened. I will have to see further into the rinse phase if the noise appears again as I've only fired the car 3 times since the oil change of yesterday. Hopefully some suggestion from people like you will bring much more interesting thoughts than from people acting religiously (or commercially...) in favor or against a specific product
Anyway the cleaning phase was 2000 miles instead of the recommended 2500 miles. I don't think that's too bad.
Cheers
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kilou: Maybe you had a sudden anti-drain back problem with the filter? Not sure.... The "sudden" part leads me away from a change in viscosity or other oil properties. For instance, if it was now 0*C when you cold-started your vehicle, do you think that this would still be thinner than oil+ARX @20*C? I doubt it. Repeat the question for -10*C. Would you expect lifter noise at these ambient temperatures with your current oil?
I suspect it will remain a mystery, unfortunately...
I suspect it will remain a mystery, unfortunately...
It may be possible that there was a fair amount of [censored] in the oil pan that got loosened up and semi blinded the pick up screen.
Accumulations in the pan are many times the soft goo type. This could be the reason for the temporary lag in pumping up oil to the top end during overnight cold starts. Or purhaps the ARX dissolved some deposits that merely added viscocity to the oil, enough to move the viscocity up enough to slow the top end flow while cold.
Glad to here the tick is gone. Was it one or all lifters making noise at cold start?
Accumulations in the pan are many times the soft goo type. This could be the reason for the temporary lag in pumping up oil to the top end during overnight cold starts. Or purhaps the ARX dissolved some deposits that merely added viscocity to the oil, enough to move the viscocity up enough to slow the top end flow while cold.
Glad to here the tick is gone. Was it one or all lifters making noise at cold start?
Admits to being a spy????? What a sad, delusional person you are. Tell me what is it your on?
Thanks for the info Sprintman. Terry's presence is sorely missed here. I have nothing but praise for Terry, he is honest as the day is long.
Agreed, a man of G--. Most here can work out Green man and Big Bears ajenda. Rick I'll PM you Terrys email to me, not for public viewing unfortunately. It's on my work PC so will take a while.
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Most here can work out Green man and Big Bears ajenda.
Most here can figure out Sprintman and Rick20's adjenda.
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Most here can work out Green man and Big Bears ajenda.
Most here can figure out Sprintman and Rick20's adjenda.
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