ANOTHER one?

[DweezilAZ]

Originally Posted by AC1DD
Kind of makes you wonder if airbags were a good idea to begin with. I don't think they were, back in the 1970s the German ADAC also questioned the veracity of using them.
Fact is that essentially you have a dangerous explosive charge sitting in front of your face at all times as you drive. I think that is stupid and illogical.

The early ones killed approx 200 people but hey, "if they save one life", right ?

 

[wag123]

Originally Posted by KrisZ
Originally Posted by wag123
Don't worry. This is not nearly as big a problem as the media would have you believe. Defective Takata airbags have been linked to only 24 deaths worldwide (17 in the United States) out of the 37 million vehicles equipped with them and millions of air bag deployments over the last 20 years. Look at the odds, they are extremely low, on the order of getting killed in a plane crash or wining the lottery. .


Sure, if you want to look at this from the best possible perspective.

In reality you have to take the number of Takata equipped vehicles that were actually involved in an accident that deployed the airbags, not the total vehicles equipped. And why take only deaths into account? What about injuries caused by these things?

240 people have reportedly been injured by shrapnel from Takata airbags over the last 20 years, still not a number that should cause obsessive concern. More people are injured every day by airbag deployments that DO NOT eject shrapnel, in fact, collisions with airbag deployments will almost always result in injuries from the airbag. The other side of the coin is this... how many of the people injured by the airbag deployment would have been killed in the wreck had the airbag NOT deployed? I reiterate, this is not something that people should be losing sleep over. I look at it this way, when it is my time to go...

 

[bobdoo]

"There are isolated incidents of humans surviving abnormally high G-forces, most notably the Air Force officer John Stapp, who demonstrated a human can withstand 46.2 G's. The experiment only went on a few seconds, but for an instant, his body had weighed over 7,700 pounds, according to NOVA."

https://www.medicaldaily.com/breaking-point-whats-strongest-g-force-humans-can-tolerate-369246

F1 drivers 'routinely' hit hard barriers head-on at 100+ MPH, with just belts to restrain them. They go back out as soon as the car is repaired. (And did this before the 'Hans' device, too).

 

[Exhaustgases]

Originally Posted by wag123
Don't worry. This is not nearly as big a problem as the media would have you believe. Defective Takata airbags have been linked to only 24 deaths worldwide (17 in the United States) out of the 37 million vehicles equipped with them and millions of air bag deployments over the last 20 years. Look at the odds, they are extremely low, on the order of getting killed in a plane crash or wining the lottery. .


So is that a gamble you wish to take? Maybe Russian roulette next? The logical fix is for them all to be removed.

 

[exranger06]

Honda isn't the only one who temporarily installs the same defective parts. I had to take my Ranger in 3 times for the recall: 1st time they replaced only the passenger side with the same defective part. They didn't have parts for the driver's side so they only did the passenger side. At the time, I thought it was a permanent fix, not temporary. On the 2nd time I had the driver's side done when they finally got the parts. It was only when I picked it up from the dealer that time that I learned that these were temporary fixes. 3rd time, they finally replaced both airbags with the permanent fix ones. And this took well over a year to finally get done. I kept getting letters in the mail from Ford to take it to the dealer immediately, and the dealer had the parts ready to fix it. I would call the dealer, and they would tell me they in fact did NOT have parts, and they had no idea when they would have them. That repeated several times until they finally got them.

Toyota also apparently did temporary fixes, as I found out when I bought my Sienna. But by the time I bought mine, they already had the permanent fix and the parts available. I got the permanent recall done shortly after I bought the car.

I should also note that I got into an accident in my Ranger several years ago and my defective airbags did deploy normally without any shrapnel flying out.

 

[bdcardinal]

FWIW they don't always tell us if the repair is temporary or permanent. Usually we find out they are temporary when the permanent campaign is released.

 

[Railrust]

The last time we received an air bag recall for our CRV, Honda put us in a rental car for a month, waiting for the part to come in. Deal was...you park your CRV, we'll give you a free rental car. And it was fine. But I don't want to do it again.

I must say this, we've had this CRV for ten years, not one single issue. Nothing. 140,000 miles later and only oil changes, the recall, and tires and brakes. That's it. Meanwhile my one year old Chevy Silverado has already left me stranded once, and my Lexus LS 460 was good for $1000 to $2000 out of pocket repairs a year. Easily.