Amsoil - no longer commenting on Base Oils
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IF Amsoil changes in the future I will let you know. As of now the oils have not changed. I may not always be the first to know - but I will be the first to confirm.
I have used Amsoil products and have no issues with the quality of their oils. I don't even have an issue with them using hydrocracked base oils if you want to pay their price for it. I do think that if they choose to begin using it in their premium line of oils they cannot afford to try to do it on the "sly" as some others have chosen to do.
Amsoil has been at forefront of naming names when it comes to comparing their product with a competitors and very often tout their integrity as a company as one of the reasons for buying their products.
I think if they decide to go the group3 road they need to do as Schaeffer has and make everything clear and up front for the consumer to see and decide for themselves. I buy Schaeffer oils knowing up front what they are using as a base oil and most importantly they don't charge 7$ a bottle for a blend of group3 and PAO.
I personally would think no less of Amsoil as long as they are on the level with the consumer. I am not PAO or nothing. I have learned better. I just think that given how Amsoil has had an in-your-face style of comparing their products with competitors that if they make a switch on the "sly" it will cost them greatly in the credibility department. More so than the average oil company. This from a guy that has proven himself to be wrong before.
Surely, as long as they are advertising 25K intervals at least some of their product line will be PAO based. The writing is on the wall for the popularity of PAO oils. I'd say in ten years we won't be having these base oil arguments anymore. Whether or not that is a good thing remains to be seen.
Amsoil has been at forefront of naming names when it comes to comparing their product with a competitors and very often tout their integrity as a company as one of the reasons for buying their products.
I think if they decide to go the group3 road they need to do as Schaeffer has and make everything clear and up front for the consumer to see and decide for themselves. I buy Schaeffer oils knowing up front what they are using as a base oil and most importantly they don't charge 7$ a bottle for a blend of group3 and PAO.
I personally would think no less of Amsoil as long as they are on the level with the consumer. I am not PAO or nothing. I have learned better. I just think that given how Amsoil has had an in-your-face style of comparing their products with competitors that if they make a switch on the "sly" it will cost them greatly in the credibility department. More so than the average oil company. This from a guy that has proven himself to be wrong before.
Surely, as long as they are advertising 25K intervals at least some of their product line will be PAO based. The writing is on the wall for the popularity of PAO oils. I'd say in ten years we won't be having these base oil arguments anymore. Whether or not that is a good thing remains to be seen.
That only works if people know what they are buying.
Maybe its time to reconsider my options here although im getting a UOA done here for the first time. I may just use a good dino and some LC20 and change every six months.
Well said Mr. Mokanic.
IF Amsoil uses a Grp III blend oil then I'd LOVE to see it as a NEW product line.
IF Amsoil uses a Grp III blend oil then I'd LOVE to see it as a NEW product line.
Well shoot, if I'm going to get cheap, I might as well pay cheap too. Perhaps I should just use up the rest of my GC, and then move on to Havoline or Chev Supreme, and simply stay with good old 5k OCIs. . .
Why?
Simple_gifts, no longer commenting on Base oils.....
When I bought a bunch of Amsoil stuff about a year ago, the boxes the stuff came in had "PAO" plastered all over them. I believe it was on all the bottles, but not sure.
Taking a quick look at the descriptions on the current web page, I can't find a reference to PAO anywhere. Hmmm...
From this Page:
Makes it pretty clear that they are still PAO...BUT:
I'm worried for the future.
Taking a quick look at the descriptions on the current web page, I can't find a reference to PAO anywhere. Hmmm...
From this Page:
Makes it pretty clear that they are still PAO...BUT:
I'm worried for the future.
On the contrary - Amsoil's recent line of oils are top choice, far better than the last round of products. The new R&D team is awesome.
Mokanic excellent post! Amsoil's Group III oils already outperform the Group IV's/V's already. LOL...
Tempest, I noticed also with the last case of ASL I ordered a few months ago. They also changed the wording on the FAQ page. They are smart and showing flexibility. Remember, Amsoil is at the mercy of only a few.
Yes, I heartily second the approval. Lou, that was both highly entertaining, and dead on point.
Actually, food adulteration and substitution is a great analogy to this base oil situation (no, of course, I'm not equating the sanctity of our persons with that of our crankcases, though many might argue they're not far apart...).
I would predict, with confidence, that even the most stalwart defenders of Mobil's (and now perhaps Amsoil's) "game plan" would not for a second accept such shenanigans when it comes to the food we stuff in our pie holes on a daily basis. If tonight I want to eat king crab, that stuff on my plate better be the real thing, and not some ground up whitefish, pressed into the right shape. I don't care if it tastes almost as good, or if nutritionally, it's just the same -- I didn't order whitefish, and that's not what I want. Now, if I choose that I'll take a lesser product, because for whatever reason, I'd like to save some cash, OK, maybe I'll accept a lesser product, but that's my choice to make. A bottle of M1EP or Amsoil Series 2000 that's filled with Group-III (even if only in part) is no different, in my eyes than LouDawg's sirloin or pressed whitefish slipped in as a sub for king crab. Buster, I don't dispute that a commercial enterprise must do what it can to maximize profits for its shareholders, but that principle can't be or become an excuse for deception and fraud. At some time, you cross the often-hazy line between legitimate course-of-business formula alterations and just plain fraud. In my opinion, Mobil's already there. I hope that Amsoil doesn't choose to join them.
Just the way ExxonMobil (Amsoil?) wants you to be. . .
Al is not gone yet guys
He has stated that group III oil prices have been cheaper to buy, so he lowered the price of them. He has stated that group IV&V have risen so he increased the price of them.
Don't worry .....Al and his company are top notch in my book
He has stated that group III oil prices have been cheaper to buy, so he lowered the price of them. He has stated that group IV&V have risen so he increased the price of them.
Don't worry .....Al and his company are top notch in my book
All your concerns are legit in my book - Amsoil needs to know this. I'm just worried that some newbie will read this thread and think this soap opera to be fact.
Pure speculation...but the climbing retail costs of Amsoil's oils has got to be hurting sales somehow. The average guy cannot afford a $10 quart of oil plus shipping, at least relative to what he can buy at WalMart. (Don't think the wives don't have a say in this!).
Maybe Amsoil is re-strategizing a much lower cost Grp. III XL-type product line, in addition to their PAOs, to hold/recapture customers. Given the unique, and truly superior, new oil filter line (EaO), maybe a Grp. III with an EaO filter can do 15K miles/1 yr. I would actually be in favor of this, as long I can still get pure-ish PAOs from them when I want. The EaO filters are so good they can be cost-justified, I'm not so sure about their oils' costs anymore.
Maybe Amsoil is re-strategizing a much lower cost Grp. III XL-type product line, in addition to their PAOs, to hold/recapture customers. Given the unique, and truly superior, new oil filter line (EaO), maybe a Grp. III with an EaO filter can do 15K miles/1 yr. I would actually be in favor of this, as long I can still get pure-ish PAOs from them when I want. The EaO filters are so good they can be cost-justified, I'm not so sure about their oils' costs anymore.
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I'm only an electrical engineer with a masters in electromagenetic pulse theory. So we will just have to agree to disagree.
IMO, 80%+ of determined "quality" is based on implementation and design, not which chips are used.
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Well I only maintain megawatt class 8VSB HDTV broadcast transmitters and the rest of the chain preceeding them. That along with the monitoring and support electronics associated with our HDTV broadcasts. Troubleshooting and repair is expected to be completed promptly at the component level for this assignment.
No chain is stronger than its weakest link is very applicable to digital video and in my humble opinion; lubrication also.
I know this at least to be fact:superior implimentation of a trailing edge(cheap)IC will result in trailing edge(cheap) results. And like base oil the DAC IC is usually only a small player in the overall cost scheme.That is when looking at complete automobiles VS: complete digital video conversion equipment.
I agree with 427 on this one.
Rickey.
buster,
Could you give us a feedback how the Amsoil 5w30 is performing in your Honda's engine. I believe you've used the Mobil 0w-20 and Redline 5w-20. How does the Amsoil compare with these oil. I haven't tried the newer formulated Amsoil 5w30.
Thanks
Could you give us a feedback how the Amsoil 5w30 is performing in your Honda's engine. I believe you've used the Mobil 0w-20 and Redline 5w-20. How does the Amsoil compare with these oil. I haven't tried the newer formulated Amsoil 5w30.
Thanks
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