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Amsoil Nano Tech oil Filters
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If you are changing oil every 3000 miles, use a $1 oil filter that removes most sticks, stones, and roller skates.
If you are extending the drain interval, then it seems only logical to me to use the filter which will best remove solid contaminants and hold them without affecting flow. These could possibly cost more than $1.
If you are extending the drain interval, then it seems only logical to me to use the filter which will best remove solid contaminants and hold them without affecting flow. These could possibly cost more than $1.
Unless my ears were plugged at the time, what I heard was something like: The AMSOIL branded oil filters are being made for us by Wix. The media is supplied by the same supplier that Donaldson uses (which for all I know, may well be a subsidiary of Donaldson).
My un-named sources were high level officers of AMSOIL, so I hope they know of what they speak.
My un-named sources were high level officers of AMSOIL, so I hope they know of what they speak.
I'm an Amsoil dealer who avoids forums, so this is a rare post. I found this doing a search as I was marketing the filters.
I was at both the DJ Convention and the Dallas meeting and WIX is replacing Hastings for all the filter needs where AMSOIL EAO and EAA do not match and that was it. AMSOIL will also offer the full line of WIX racing filters which for obvious reasons don't filter as critical as the nanofiber elements do but allow for filtration of more harmful moderate particles while not hampering flow. The primary reason for choosing WIX was their fast distribution chain.
Alan told a small group that the EA line is a combination of parts from several companies so you will not see us rate their brands against ours. He also said the actual material is basically yje same as Donaldson's Endurance series but we had them make the core stock more durable under higher pressures and loads. On the air filters the pleats are wider.
The electron microscope photo above is for the air filters - NOT the oil filters. The oil filter material looks quite a bit different. Slides were shown to us but not published in the material yet.
The oil filters per A. Amatuzio are guaranteed for 25,000 miles or twice as long up to 60,000 in commercial use. They would not print that on the carton if it would not hold up. Alan told us the exact same thing before the meeting and remarked that the FTC, and our competitors just like all other AMSOIL products will never show data otherwise, thus the guarantee. Donaldson has the same exact guarantee and has had that for years.
As for the MLM. The first 5 years for me being a dealer, I never knew it was really a MLM as we were signing on independent auto stores, Kwik Kar lube centers and dozens of motorcycle shops. Typical MLMs can't do that. An autoparts store who carries AMSOIL buys from AMSOIL and the sponsoring dealer get's the credit for the sale. The money saved on advertising goes into research. Because of that, our competition fears us.
Two of my dealers in Ohio are financial advisors and told me after reviewing 100's of portfolios, the people with the largest incomes were involved in product driven MLMs, thus the reason of their involvement.
When you have a product which carries totally unique products, there will always be demand and thank the lord I am an American to have such an opportunity and help others acheave their dreams. Two things I am proud of - I don't shop at Walmart and I don't visit France!
I was at both the DJ Convention and the Dallas meeting and WIX is replacing Hastings for all the filter needs where AMSOIL EAO and EAA do not match and that was it. AMSOIL will also offer the full line of WIX racing filters which for obvious reasons don't filter as critical as the nanofiber elements do but allow for filtration of more harmful moderate particles while not hampering flow. The primary reason for choosing WIX was their fast distribution chain.
Alan told a small group that the EA line is a combination of parts from several companies so you will not see us rate their brands against ours. He also said the actual material is basically yje same as Donaldson's Endurance series but we had them make the core stock more durable under higher pressures and loads. On the air filters the pleats are wider.
The electron microscope photo above is for the air filters - NOT the oil filters. The oil filter material looks quite a bit different. Slides were shown to us but not published in the material yet.
The oil filters per A. Amatuzio are guaranteed for 25,000 miles or twice as long up to 60,000 in commercial use. They would not print that on the carton if it would not hold up. Alan told us the exact same thing before the meeting and remarked that the FTC, and our competitors just like all other AMSOIL products will never show data otherwise, thus the guarantee. Donaldson has the same exact guarantee and has had that for years.
As for the MLM. The first 5 years for me being a dealer, I never knew it was really a MLM as we were signing on independent auto stores, Kwik Kar lube centers and dozens of motorcycle shops. Typical MLMs can't do that. An autoparts store who carries AMSOIL buys from AMSOIL and the sponsoring dealer get's the credit for the sale. The money saved on advertising goes into research. Because of that, our competition fears us.
Two of my dealers in Ohio are financial advisors and told me after reviewing 100's of portfolios, the people with the largest incomes were involved in product driven MLMs, thus the reason of their involvement.
When you have a product which carries totally unique products, there will always be demand and thank the lord I am an American to have such an opportunity and help others acheave their dreams. Two things I am proud of - I don't shop at Walmart and I don't visit France!
That's all good...
OK, Amsoil made me interested in the new EA oil filter.
So I've decided to give it a try even though it is overpriced considering the potential advantages over the competition...
Well, the filter is not available for my mass- produced model. The product locator page says call for availability...
All Right, I look for the toll-free customer service number. There is none.
Instead there is a Wisconsin number listed.
How much would it cost to set up a toll-free number?
By now I've lost all the remaining interest...
VAD - what model? I know they don't have the full line-up yet,
You can always ask me. I can call them on my cell, no charge. You can also use the 800 number to ask if it's available yet. Not sure why you didn't ask me, though, rather than griping.
You can always ask me. I can call them on my cell, no charge. You can also use the 800 number to ask if it's available yet. Not sure why you didn't ask me, though, rather than griping.
Yes common engine, still no EaO filter yet. You are the third person in two days - that alone tells me it's common!
I will hound customer service. Sorry about them passing you off to CS, when they could have told you the same thing.
I'm not going to pretend to be an insider - but I have heard that they "converted" one part # at a time and when they had enough "critical mass", then did the roll out. I do know from years past, if there was enough demand they will make a filter.
I will hound customer service. Sorry about them passing you off to CS, when they could have told you the same thing.
I'm not going to pretend to be an insider - but I have heard that they "converted" one part # at a time and when they had enough "critical mass", then did the roll out. I do know from years past, if there was enough demand they will make a filter.
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posted October 31, 2005 11:29 AM
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I can pretty much say that Donaldson is NOT making the AMSOIL branded car and light truck filters.
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****..you might want to double check your sources. I believe it is Donaldson who are making this filter. Not just the media but building it as well..
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posted October 31, 2005 11:29 AM
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I can pretty much say that Donaldson is NOT making the AMSOIL branded car and light truck filters.
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****..you might want to double check your sources. I believe it is Donaldson who are making this filter. Not just the media but building it as well..
Does SDF 34 = EaO 34?
SDF 11 = EaO 11....etc, etc.?
SDF 11 = EaO 11....etc, etc.?
SWHeat - I think so. Yes they are basically the same size - dimensionally, threads and gasket. But, I can't say that the by-pass settings are exactly the same.
The gals who man the 800 number are order takers, not technical folks. They can tell you if a specific item is available in any given warehouse, but aren't really equipped to tell you what air and oil filter to use on a 1975 Belchfire 8.
If the filter application is not currently listed in the on-line application guide, it most likely isn't available. On a few occasions, I've found that a filter wasn't listed because of an oversight.
The EaO line has 33 or 35 sizes, which probably cover 85% of the cars on the road. If and when there is enough demand for another one, won't be too hard to produce one. Not much point in putting out something that won't recover the costs of setting up production.
For the most part, the EaO numbers are direct replacements for the same number SDF filter.
There are a few different ones-- for instance, the EaO 09 apparently is to be used in some applications used by SDF 10. May be some others, too. Best way to know what application is to used the application guide.
If the filter application is not currently listed in the on-line application guide, it most likely isn't available. On a few occasions, I've found that a filter wasn't listed because of an oversight.
The EaO line has 33 or 35 sizes, which probably cover 85% of the cars on the road. If and when there is enough demand for another one, won't be too hard to produce one. Not much point in putting out something that won't recover the costs of setting up production.
For the most part, the EaO numbers are direct replacements for the same number SDF filter.
There are a few different ones-- for instance, the EaO 09 apparently is to be used in some applications used by SDF 10. May be some others, too. Best way to know what application is to used the application guide.
Who does determine that? And how?
Mobil just recently started to produce the Mobil 1 EP for the Focus Zetec.
I believe they never offered a Non-EP version for the Zetec but always had one for the less common Focus SPI.
The same thing with the Fram XG. Only the SPI version is available.
I guess the bean counters have to determine that.
One way is to keep track of how many of the substitute filters are ordered by AMSOIL dealers.
I expect that AMSOIL also keeps in touch with the filter manufacturers to get an indication of volume produced.
Mobil obviously saw that there was what they deemed enough market for the filters to start production. AMSOIL does not have nearly the market coverage and volume that the big guys do.
If I had a Zetec, I'd go with the Mobil 1 EP.
One way is to keep track of how many of the substitute filters are ordered by AMSOIL dealers.
I expect that AMSOIL also keeps in touch with the filter manufacturers to get an indication of volume produced.
Mobil obviously saw that there was what they deemed enough market for the filters to start production. AMSOIL does not have nearly the market coverage and volume that the big guys do.
If I had a Zetec, I'd go with the Mobil 1 EP.
Forget Mobil...use a botique oil!!!
I had to call Donaldson this morning about a discontinued part number. ( Was able to help my customer anyway). Anyroad...
I talked to their Tech department about the Amsoil filter. Donaldson claims they are making Amsoil product. They also claim that others are as well.
I specifically asked about the "new" nano-technology filter. He said that Donalson has been using that media for "years" in their elements. I ask do you mean just air or oil. He said both.
He also said it is "conceivable" that another filter company is manufacturing a spin-on filter using "donaldson" media.
So that could mean....depending on part number Amsoil may have different suppliers for different part numbers.
I talked to their Tech department about the Amsoil filter. Donaldson claims they are making Amsoil product. They also claim that others are as well.
I specifically asked about the "new" nano-technology filter. He said that Donalson has been using that media for "years" in their elements. I ask do you mean just air or oil. He said both.
He also said it is "conceivable" that another filter company is manufacturing a spin-on filter using "donaldson" media.
So that could mean....depending on part number Amsoil may have different suppliers for different part numbers.
What is the GPM rating of the SDF-26?
What is the GPM rating of the EAO-26?
Does anyone know the burst pressure? Is the EAO-26 still set to bypass at 8-11psi?
I'm interested in this info to compare to other oil filters... don't need arguements for/against.. as the saying goes, "Just the facts, ma'am"
What is the GPM rating of the EAO-26?
Does anyone know the burst pressure? Is the EAO-26 still set to bypass at 8-11psi?
I'm interested in this info to compare to other oil filters... don't need arguements for/against.. as the saying goes, "Just the facts, ma'am"
I don't want to distract the thread to much, but I posted a new oil comparision paper out from Amsoil, in the Motorcycle section, I'd really like to hear some serious input/critiques and explanations on the outcome from you experienced guys. Many thanks in advance, I do appreciate it.
Does anyone have an update? Has anyone run these filters to any major miles yet? I know that it has only been 11 day's since release, but I bet someone (I used too) has run 4 or 5 thousand miles in a few weeks...Anyone have any update? Wondering in Idaho
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