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Originally Posted by StevieC
Or firearm deaths per capita either so I'm ok with that. More people die in Chicago in a month than in Canada all year. (About the same population between the two)
Per capita our gun crime is far lower because of strict laws. And yes I'm a license holder.
Anyone in this country of age (or supervised), without a criminal record can get a firearms license so long as they pass the safety course and a federal background check. How is that not being free?
Seriously?
You're like a kid with a Barbie Jeep saying, "I can drive anywhere I want! I'm free!".
But you're not. What you are allowed to own is severely curtailed. You're not allowed to have them ready for your defense (they have to be in the safe, and disabled, right? And you can't carry them). So, the few that you have are completely useless to you for the most important reason to own a firearm: defense of yourself and family.
You're allowed to use some firearms only where, when, and how, your government tells you.
IF you think that's freedom, you fail to understand the word.
Look, I love Canada, and Canadians. I used to live there.
But here is the critical difference between our two nations: The people of the US took their freedom by force, and then gave power to a government. The people of Canada were granted their freedom by a monarch.
It was once called "Dominion Day" - when you were granted Dominion. Every freedom you have was a gift from a ruler. They granted you your freedom.
You have a totally different understanding of the word.
Or firearm deaths per capita either so I'm ok with that. More people die in Chicago in a month than in Canada all year. (About the same population between the two)
Per capita our gun crime is far lower because of strict laws. And yes I'm a license holder.
Anyone in this country of age (or supervised), without a criminal record can get a firearms license so long as they pass the safety course and a federal background check. How is that not being free?
Seriously?
You're like a kid with a Barbie Jeep saying, "I can drive anywhere I want! I'm free!".
But you're not. What you are allowed to own is severely curtailed. You're not allowed to have them ready for your defense (they have to be in the safe, and disabled, right? And you can't carry them). So, the few that you have are completely useless to you for the most important reason to own a firearm: defense of yourself and family.
You're allowed to use some firearms only where, when, and how, your government tells you.
IF you think that's freedom, you fail to understand the word.
Look, I love Canada, and Canadians. I used to live there.
But here is the critical difference between our two nations: The people of the US took their freedom by force, and then gave power to a government. The people of Canada were granted their freedom by a monarch.
It was once called "Dominion Day" - when you were granted Dominion. Every freedom you have was a gift from a ruler. They granted you your freedom.
You have a totally different understanding of the word.
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They are strictly controlled yes, but if the time ever came to overthrow government or if something like martial law was instituted we would have them and could use them. The advantage of having restrictions means it helps keep them out of the hands of the crazies. Not criminals because these are typically illegally purchased guns so no laws/restrictions matter to this group.
Show me where this is a problem? Have we turned into a Socialist regime or communist regime since 1867 (Confederation for us)? Or any other strictly controlled country for that matter. Australia, The UK, >
You are being paranoid and as a result end up with the gun crime, mass shootings, and innocent dealths you have because of it. (Not you personally but in general)
There is something wrong when someone can legally purchase an assault rifle without a background check in certain states. How is this ok?
I'm gonna stop here for fear of the thread getting locked and because it has been discussed many times before.
Show me where this is a problem? Have we turned into a Socialist regime or communist regime since 1867 (Confederation for us)? Or any other strictly controlled country for that matter. Australia, The UK, >
You are being paranoid and as a result end up with the gun crime, mass shootings, and innocent dealths you have because of it. (Not you personally but in general)
There is something wrong when someone can legally purchase an assault rifle without a background check in certain states. How is this ok?
I'm gonna stop here for fear of the thread getting locked and because it has been discussed many times before.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
They are strictly controlled yes, but if the time ever came to overthrow government or if something like martial law was instituted we would have them and could use them. The advantage of having restrictions means it helps keep them out of the hands of the crazies. Not criminals because these are typically illegally purchased guns so no laws/restrictions matter to this group.
Show me where this is a problem? Have we turned into a Socialist regime or communist regime since 1867 (Confederation for us)? Or any other strictly controlled country for that matter. Australia, The UK, >
You are being paranoid and as a result end up with the gun crime, mass shootings, and innocent dealths you have because of it. (Not you personally but in general)
There is something wrong when someone can legally purchase an assault rifle without a background check in certain states. How is this ok?
I'm gonna stop here for fear of the thread getting locked and because it has been discussed many times before.
You should stop here.
Because you're not telling the truth.
There is NOT ONE state in the US where a firearm (of any kind, including semi-automatic rifles) can be legally purchased without a background check.
Falsum in unum, Falsus in omnibus...
They are strictly controlled yes, but if the time ever came to overthrow government or if something like martial law was instituted we would have them and could use them. The advantage of having restrictions means it helps keep them out of the hands of the crazies. Not criminals because these are typically illegally purchased guns so no laws/restrictions matter to this group.
Show me where this is a problem? Have we turned into a Socialist regime or communist regime since 1867 (Confederation for us)? Or any other strictly controlled country for that matter. Australia, The UK, >
You are being paranoid and as a result end up with the gun crime, mass shootings, and innocent dealths you have because of it. (Not you personally but in general)
There is something wrong when someone can legally purchase an assault rifle without a background check in certain states. How is this ok?
I'm gonna stop here for fear of the thread getting locked and because it has been discussed many times before.
You should stop here.
Because you're not telling the truth.
There is NOT ONE state in the US where a firearm (of any kind, including semi-automatic rifles) can be legally purchased without a background check.
Falsum in unum, Falsus in omnibus...
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The Florida Department of Law Enforcement also says the state does not require a specialized permit to buy a firearm, including rifles and shotguns. To buy a gun in Florida, buyers must be 18 for a rifle or 21 for a handgun. They do not need a permit and are not fingerprinted.
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Florida does not require a permit or license to buy a gun. Nor does the state require registration of guns. However you do need a license to carry a concealed weapon. There is no limit to the number of firearms in a single transaction.
Is there background check done without licensing?
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement also says the state does not require a specialized permit to buy a firearm, including rifles and shotguns. To buy a gun in Florida, buyers must be 18 for a rifle or 21 for a handgun. They do not need a permit and are not fingerprinted.
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Florida does not require a permit or license to buy a gun. Nor does the state require registration of guns. However you do need a license to carry a concealed weapon. There is no limit to the number of firearms in a single transaction.
Is there background check done without licensing?
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Originally Posted by StevieC
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The Florida Department of Law Enforcement also says the state does not require a specialized permit to buy a firearm, including rifles and shotguns. To buy a gun in Florida, buyers must be 18 for a rifle or 21 for a handgun. They do not need a permit and are not fingerprinted.
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Florida does not require a permit or license to buy a gun. Nor does the state require registration of guns. However you do need a license to carry a concealed weapon. There is no limit to the number of firearms in a single transaction.
Permit? No.
You still need a background check*.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System
Big difference.
Critical point of understanding.
You walk into a gun dealer for ANY firearm - you've got to pass the Federal background check. Some states (e.g. Virginia) require that you pass their background check, too.
So, when I buy a gun, here, I have to pass TWO background checks. Every time. For every transaction.
*The only time it's not required is between private parties in some states in which that is allowed. However, under Federal Law, it is a felony to sell, allow to use, or otherwise transfer a firearm to person who is prohibited from owning it.
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The Florida Department of Law Enforcement also says the state does not require a specialized permit to buy a firearm, including rifles and shotguns. To buy a gun in Florida, buyers must be 18 for a rifle or 21 for a handgun. They do not need a permit and are not fingerprinted.
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Florida does not require a permit or license to buy a gun. Nor does the state require registration of guns. However you do need a license to carry a concealed weapon. There is no limit to the number of firearms in a single transaction.
Permit? No.
You still need a background check*.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System
Big difference.
Critical point of understanding.
You walk into a gun dealer for ANY firearm - you've got to pass the Federal background check. Some states (e.g. Virginia) require that you pass their background check, too.
So, when I buy a gun, here, I have to pass TWO background checks. Every time. For every transaction.
*The only time it's not required is between private parties in some states in which that is allowed. However, under Federal Law, it is a felony to sell, allow to use, or otherwise transfer a firearm to person who is prohibited from owning it.
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Originally Posted by Astro14
Originally Posted by StevieC
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The Florida Department of Law Enforcement also says the state does not require a specialized permit to buy a firearm, including rifles and shotguns. To buy a gun in Florida, buyers must be 18 for a rifle or 21 for a handgun. They do not need a permit and are not fingerprinted.
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Florida does not require a permit or license to buy a gun. Nor does the state require registration of guns. However you do need a license to carry a concealed weapon. There is no limit to the number of firearms in a single transaction.
Permit? No.
You still need a background check*.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System
Big difference.
Critical point of understanding.
You walk into a gun dealer for ANY firearm - you've got to pass the Federal background check. Some states (e.g. Virginia) require that you pass their background check, too.
So, when I buy a gun, here, I have to pass TWO background checks. Every time. For every transaction.
*The only time it's not required is between private parties in some states in which that is allowed. However, under Federal Law, it is a felony to sell, allow to use, or otherwise transfer a firearm to person who is prohibited from owning it.
Ok but then is it a really easy background test to pass or something? I don't understand why so many end up in the hands of crazy folks that bought them legitimately. Not being sarcastic, trying to understand.
Up here you go through your federal police check once you have completed the safety course and waited your period of time and then you are granted the license to acquire/own but everyday your name is run through the police database to see if any new charges have been laid against you that are criminal in nature and if that happens they come a knocking for your guns and license temporarily until you have your day in court. They don't fool around.
Originally Posted by StevieC
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The Florida Department of Law Enforcement also says the state does not require a specialized permit to buy a firearm, including rifles and shotguns. To buy a gun in Florida, buyers must be 18 for a rifle or 21 for a handgun. They do not need a permit and are not fingerprinted.
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Florida does not require a permit or license to buy a gun. Nor does the state require registration of guns. However you do need a license to carry a concealed weapon. There is no limit to the number of firearms in a single transaction.
Permit? No.
You still need a background check*.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System
Big difference.
Critical point of understanding.
You walk into a gun dealer for ANY firearm - you've got to pass the Federal background check. Some states (e.g. Virginia) require that you pass their background check, too.
So, when I buy a gun, here, I have to pass TWO background checks. Every time. For every transaction.
*The only time it's not required is between private parties in some states in which that is allowed. However, under Federal Law, it is a felony to sell, allow to use, or otherwise transfer a firearm to person who is prohibited from owning it.
Ok but then is it a really easy background test to pass or something? I don't understand why so many end up in the hands of crazy folks that bought them legitimately. Not being sarcastic, trying to understand.
Up here you go through your federal police check once you have completed the safety course and waited your period of time and then you are granted the license to acquire/own but everyday your name is run through the police database to see if any new charges have been laid against you that are criminal in nature and if that happens they come a knocking for your guns and license temporarily until you have your day in court. They don't fool around.
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Originally Posted by JLTD
![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/YnUMmy2.jpg "[Linked Image]")
Yeah I saw that earlier this week... Really funny.
Yeah I saw that earlier this week... Really funny.
You can go to a gun show and find guys selling guns in a "private collection" which requires no background check.
Originally Posted by skyactiv
You can go to a gun show and find guys selling guns in a "private collection" which requires no background check.
HMMM that's a problem.
You can go to a gun show and find guys selling guns in a "private collection" which requires no background check.
HMMM that's a problem.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by skyactiv
You can go to a gun show and find guys selling guns in a "private collection" which requires no background check.
HMMM that's a problem.
It isn't how criminals buy guns. They have easier ways to get them.
Originally Posted by skyactiv
You can go to a gun show and find guys selling guns in a "private collection" which requires no background check.
HMMM that's a problem.
It isn't how criminals buy guns. They have easier ways to get them.
I never said Criminals... I said crazies that get them from legitimate sources... Criminals don't abide by laws and I get that so no matter the regulations is going to fix that group. I'm talking about those disturbed in the head that bought the guns legitimately and the background check / safeties in place failed.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Ok but then is it a really easy background test to pass or something? I don't understand why so many end up in the hands of crazy folks that bought them legitimately. Not being sarcastic, trying to understand.
Up here you go through your federal police check once you have completed the safety course and waited your period of time and then you are granted the license to acquire/own but everyday your name is run through the police database to see if any new charges have been laid against you that are criminal in nature and if that happens they come a knocking for your guns and license temporarily until you have your day in court. They don't fool around.
It's actually a PITA. Every purchase is run through NICS. Lots of people get denied on the basis of similar/identical names, or questions. Details are in the Wikipedia link.
Crazy people pass the background check because, until they act out, they are not criminals at the time of purchase.
If new charges have been filed against you - you will fail the background check. In many states now, like NY, if there is even an open police report with your name on it, you will fail the background check, thus preventing victims of a crime from purchasing until the crime is solved.
So, how do crazy people get them? Well, Adam Lanza*, who was certifiably crazy, didn't ever pass a background check because he never purchased a gun.
He murdered his own mother to gain access to her guns.
*Newtown shooter.
Ok but then is it a really easy background test to pass or something? I don't understand why so many end up in the hands of crazy folks that bought them legitimately. Not being sarcastic, trying to understand.
Up here you go through your federal police check once you have completed the safety course and waited your period of time and then you are granted the license to acquire/own but everyday your name is run through the police database to see if any new charges have been laid against you that are criminal in nature and if that happens they come a knocking for your guns and license temporarily until you have your day in court. They don't fool around.
It's actually a PITA. Every purchase is run through NICS. Lots of people get denied on the basis of similar/identical names, or questions. Details are in the Wikipedia link.
Crazy people pass the background check because, until they act out, they are not criminals at the time of purchase.
If new charges have been filed against you - you will fail the background check. In many states now, like NY, if there is even an open police report with your name on it, you will fail the background check, thus preventing victims of a crime from purchasing until the crime is solved.
So, how do crazy people get them? Well, Adam Lanza*, who was certifiably crazy, didn't ever pass a background check because he never purchased a gun.
He murdered his own mother to gain access to her guns.
*Newtown shooter.
After car stuff BITOG is "All Guns, All the Time".....and I like guns. It's pretty boring and disheartening when members here parrot the same battle flags All the Time.
Try going deeper.
Try going deeper.
Originally Posted by skyactiv
You can go to a gun show and find guys selling guns in a "private collection" which requires no background check.
Theoretically possible in some states. Many states require background checks for all gun show sales, regardless of dealer/private status.
Have you ever done it?
I haven't.
And that is not how any of the mass shooters have obtained a weapon.
You can go to a gun show and find guys selling guns in a "private collection" which requires no background check.
Theoretically possible in some states. Many states require background checks for all gun show sales, regardless of dealer/private status.
Have you ever done it?
I haven't.
And that is not how any of the mass shooters have obtained a weapon.
Originally Posted by Kira
After car stuff BITOG is "All Guns, All the Time".....and I like guns. It's pretty boring and disheartening when members here parrot the same battle flags All the Time.
Try going deeper.
I didn't bring it up.
I merely try to correct all the misinformation on the subject.
Into which subject would you like to go deeper?
I wrote far more on astronomy the other day. Here:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4877499/re-sunrise-sunset#Post4877499
Did you learn anything? Did it answer any questions? Did it raise any questions?
Did you bother to read it?
After car stuff BITOG is "All Guns, All the Time".....and I like guns. It's pretty boring and disheartening when members here parrot the same battle flags All the Time.
Try going deeper.
I didn't bring it up.
I merely try to correct all the misinformation on the subject.
Into which subject would you like to go deeper?
I wrote far more on astronomy the other day. Here:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4877499/re-sunrise-sunset#Post4877499
Did you learn anything? Did it answer any questions? Did it raise any questions?
Did you bother to read it?
Originally Posted by Astro14
Originally Posted by StevieC
Ok but then is it a really easy background test to pass or something? I don't understand why so many end up in the hands of crazy folks that bought them legitimately. Not being sarcastic, trying to understand.
Up here you go through your federal police check once you have completed the safety course and waited your period of time and then you are granted the license to acquire/own but everyday your name is run through the police database to see if any new charges have been laid against you that are criminal in nature and if that happens they come a knocking for your guns and license temporarily until you have your day in court. They don't fool around.
It's actually a PITA. Every purchase is run through NICS. Lots of people get denied on the basis of similar/identical names, or questions. Details are in the Wikipedia link.
Crazy people pass the background check because, until they act out, they are not criminals at the time of purchase.
If new charges have been filed against you - you will fail the background check. In many states now, like NY, if there is even an open police report with your name on it, you will fail the background check, thus preventing victims of a crime from purchasing until the crime is solved.
So, how do crazy people get them? Well, Adam Lanza*, who was certifiably crazy, didn't ever pass a background check because he never purchased a gun.
He murdered his own mother to gain access to her guns.
*Newtown shooter.
Thank you for taking time to explain. It gives me clearer perspective on it all.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Ok but then is it a really easy background test to pass or something? I don't understand why so many end up in the hands of crazy folks that bought them legitimately. Not being sarcastic, trying to understand.
Up here you go through your federal police check once you have completed the safety course and waited your period of time and then you are granted the license to acquire/own but everyday your name is run through the police database to see if any new charges have been laid against you that are criminal in nature and if that happens they come a knocking for your guns and license temporarily until you have your day in court. They don't fool around.
It's actually a PITA. Every purchase is run through NICS. Lots of people get denied on the basis of similar/identical names, or questions. Details are in the Wikipedia link.
Crazy people pass the background check because, until they act out, they are not criminals at the time of purchase.
If new charges have been filed against you - you will fail the background check. In many states now, like NY, if there is even an open police report with your name on it, you will fail the background check, thus preventing victims of a crime from purchasing until the crime is solved.
So, how do crazy people get them? Well, Adam Lanza*, who was certifiably crazy, didn't ever pass a background check because he never purchased a gun.
He murdered his own mother to gain access to her guns.
*Newtown shooter.
Thank you for taking time to explain. It gives me clearer perspective on it all.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
Or firearm deaths per capita either so I'm ok with that. More people die in Chicago in a month than in Canada all year. (About the same population between the two)
Per capita our gun crime is far lower because of strict laws. And yes I'm a license holder.
Anyone in this country of age (or supervised), without a criminal record can get a firearms license so long as they pass the safety course and a federal background check. How is that not being free?
The higher rate in Chicago, which has stricter gun laws than Canada IIRC, is due to gang-related crime, which is permeating the GTA as well. The common thread between those two? It's all perpetrated with ILLEGAL guns. You can take the shotgun from Grandpa Joe, but that's going to do SFA in dealing with Ghetto J and his love for a good drive-by.
Canada had low gun crime back before we even had the FAC. Teens had shotguns in racks in the back windows of their trucks at schools. Schools had shooting ranges. You could walk into Eatons and walk out with a 30-30 lever-action. We didn't get more violent and require government control to curtail the mass murder of our fellow citizens. We had a few events, people got scared and the government took that as an opportunity to "intervene" and thus gain more control. We ended up with mandatory training (good) but a license system that makes you an excepted criminal. That is, gun possession is illegal and the license is your exception card. It lapses, you are now a felon. That's not "free". Just like the gun registry we had that did nothing, and some of the loony NDP proposals for centralized firearms storage. The current proposal to ban hand guns in the GTA because gang bangers with illegal guns in Regent Park are shooting each other. It's ridiculous.
Personally, I think safe storage is a good thing. I think training is a good thing. But I also think that training (and the background check) should entitle somebody to then purchase and possess firearms from that point forward. You have a training certificate (not a license) and it doesn't expire so you can't just become a paper criminal overnight for forgetting to renew something. It sounds like a small difference, but the impact is large. You still have the same user database; you know who is trained. So you know if Jimmy boy gets the fruit loops upstairs and Doc calls it in, that there can be an intervention that gets the guns out of the house. That aspect of it wouldn't change.
Presently our government doesn't trust its citizens to know the appropriate conditions and locations in which to discharge a handgun or AR-15. But apparently that's not the case if it's a bolt-action .50BMG or Robinson XCR, then you can hunt with them
While I assume the real reason for the RPAL program is to make handguns and restricted's unappealing, the message it sends is that even with more training and guns that are mandatorily registered, the government somehow trusts you even less and you need a permit to move that gun anywhere. And if you want to take it somewhere else, you have to call them and get permission. That's not free either.
While I don't necessarily think it would be wise to let somebody who has passed the training course and background check to buy a missile launcher, and thus restrictions on what can be procured are reasonable, I think our tiered license system with many of the restricted rifles being classified somewhat randomly borders on absurd.
Or firearm deaths per capita either so I'm ok with that. More people die in Chicago in a month than in Canada all year. (About the same population between the two)
Per capita our gun crime is far lower because of strict laws. And yes I'm a license holder.
Anyone in this country of age (or supervised), without a criminal record can get a firearms license so long as they pass the safety course and a federal background check. How is that not being free?
The higher rate in Chicago, which has stricter gun laws than Canada IIRC, is due to gang-related crime, which is permeating the GTA as well. The common thread between those two? It's all perpetrated with ILLEGAL guns. You can take the shotgun from Grandpa Joe, but that's going to do SFA in dealing with Ghetto J and his love for a good drive-by.
Canada had low gun crime back before we even had the FAC. Teens had shotguns in racks in the back windows of their trucks at schools. Schools had shooting ranges. You could walk into Eatons and walk out with a 30-30 lever-action. We didn't get more violent and require government control to curtail the mass murder of our fellow citizens. We had a few events, people got scared and the government took that as an opportunity to "intervene" and thus gain more control. We ended up with mandatory training (good) but a license system that makes you an excepted criminal. That is, gun possession is illegal and the license is your exception card. It lapses, you are now a felon. That's not "free". Just like the gun registry we had that did nothing, and some of the loony NDP proposals for centralized firearms storage. The current proposal to ban hand guns in the GTA because gang bangers with illegal guns in Regent Park are shooting each other. It's ridiculous.
Personally, I think safe storage is a good thing. I think training is a good thing. But I also think that training (and the background check) should entitle somebody to then purchase and possess firearms from that point forward. You have a training certificate (not a license) and it doesn't expire so you can't just become a paper criminal overnight for forgetting to renew something. It sounds like a small difference, but the impact is large. You still have the same user database; you know who is trained. So you know if Jimmy boy gets the fruit loops upstairs and Doc calls it in, that there can be an intervention that gets the guns out of the house. That aspect of it wouldn't change.
Presently our government doesn't trust its citizens to know the appropriate conditions and locations in which to discharge a handgun or AR-15. But apparently that's not the case if it's a bolt-action .50BMG or Robinson XCR, then you can hunt with them
While I don't necessarily think it would be wise to let somebody who has passed the training course and background check to buy a missile launcher, and thus restrictions on what can be procured are reasonable, I think our tiered license system with many of the restricted rifles being classified somewhat randomly borders on absurd.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
Ok but then is it a really easy background test to pass or something? I don't understand why so many end up in the hands of crazy folks that bought them legitimately. Not being sarcastic, trying to understand.
Up here you go through your federal police check once you have completed the safety course and waited your period of time and then you are granted the license to acquire/own but everyday your name is run through the police database to see if any new charges have been laid against you that are criminal in nature and if that happens they come a knocking for your guns and license temporarily until you have your day in court. They don't fool around.
I think, and Astro can correct me if I'm wrong, but part of the issue is healthcare information being somewhat disparate due to the states themselves being more like their own little countries and thus privacy laws and the like create issues with respect to the reporting of things as well as not enabling a readily updated database of health-related information, which, in the case of mental health, is important. I know one of the more recent cases, the guy had been to the doctor multiple times and the state of his mental health was well noted, yet this never was reported beyond his doctor and thus never made it into the background check system to deny his purchase.
Ok but then is it a really easy background test to pass or something? I don't understand why so many end up in the hands of crazy folks that bought them legitimately. Not being sarcastic, trying to understand.
Up here you go through your federal police check once you have completed the safety course and waited your period of time and then you are granted the license to acquire/own but everyday your name is run through the police database to see if any new charges have been laid against you that are criminal in nature and if that happens they come a knocking for your guns and license temporarily until you have your day in court. They don't fool around.
I think, and Astro can correct me if I'm wrong, but part of the issue is healthcare information being somewhat disparate due to the states themselves being more like their own little countries and thus privacy laws and the like create issues with respect to the reporting of things as well as not enabling a readily updated database of health-related information, which, in the case of mental health, is important. I know one of the more recent cases, the guy had been to the doctor multiple times and the state of his mental health was well noted, yet this never was reported beyond his doctor and thus never made it into the background check system to deny his purchase.
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