Foreign visitors in a public place ask that they not be recorded during a YouTube livestream

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This was in a railway station/mall where the host is a pianist who enjoys playing on a public piano setup. I guess the policing there is by the British Transport Police. There's been some controversy over this because one officer came by and said that they had no rights to prevent recording in a public place, but then another officer steps in where she asks that he stop recording and seems to try and take the side of the foreign visitors who claim they have rights to protect themselves from being recorded.



I'm not that big on the Daily Mail, but this article is fairly accurate and the only article I've seen on this so far.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Moment Chinese tourists demand piano player stops filming

Brendan Kavanagh, who regularly takes to the station to play 'boogie woogie' tunes, was livestreaming on Youtube when he was approached by a woman from the tourist group.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
SC Maintenance said:
I have no idea what the laws in UK are, but I did read that London has the most public camera's of any major city. So there were likely 10 CCTV type camera's recording the argument on whether someone could be recorded.
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They're not publicly accessible though, at least not all of them.
 
Hall said:
Key word is "ask".

And just because the visitors think they have a right not to be filmed doesn't mean they're right. Maybe it is the case in their country and they're simply confused.
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When they're from China? No way. They have a lot of public recording there.

I have heard of many people from China asserting themselves around the world with "Do you know where I'm from" in a way that seems to suggest that they're from China should mean more respect be given to their concerns.
 
Passport1 said:
I went to London once years ago and nobody wanted to record me. What's the BFD?

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The visitors made some odd comment that they had some sort of agreement that they wouldn't be shown on any other online platform. Makes no sense, but I was thinking these guys were:

1) Arrogant about how important they were.
2) Entitled in thinking that some agreement they entered into trumped that they were in a public place.
3) Making claims that they simply couldn't back up that they had a legal right to avoid being recorded.

They walked into a situation where it was clear that someone was recording the performance. That should have been the end of it. If they didn't like it, they didn't need to stand there and watch the performance, which was clearly being recorded.
 
Brendan has put hundreds of hours of video on YouTube. Travelers of all walks of life have stopped by to jam with him. Some just common people with musical talent. And others who are very well known. They have all been on Brendan's YouTube channel. Until now, I have never seen anything like this.
 
That was shot in St. Pancras station, one of London's major train hubs, in the corridor leading to the Eurostar gate.

It's about as public a place as it gets, sees a lot of traffic, and the pianos are placed there for people to enjoy. They're attention magnets.

There's even a TV show where they feature stories of ordinary people playing pianos placed in public stations like this, and are secretly judged by a famous pianist and a colleague.

That tourist group was out of bounds, socially and legally, and I'm not afraid to say that their behavior is not surprising, considering where they're from.

It's something that's quite noticeable when travelling.
 
They can pound sand. When the coach bus pulls up at a National Park, you know exactly who's stepping out. These tourists clog up every hiking path and up the entire walking path
 
One of the Youtube channels I watch he has people coming up asking questions and he tells them he's recording livestream so beware. Illinois has a biometric law that say you have to ask or sufferer the consequences of the lawyers. This is with the three so far, Facebook settlements and one Google settlement I have gotten are about. Currently Verizon is on the hook too.

I use to have to use a fingerprint to clock in at a couple places and that is now illegal.
 
I found out a few more details in the YouTube comments. Several in the group are apparently broadcasters from some outfit called Phoenix Chinese News in their European division, and they actually broadcast Chinese language programming over the air in London. Not sure of their specific nationality other than they all seem to be ethnic Chinese, and one claimed to be a British citizen. I guess that's what they were so freaked out about - that they might have had some sort of contract that gave that broadcaster the exclusive rights to use their likeness in a commercial setting. But in a public place that private agreement carries no weight.
 
y_p_w said:
I found out a few more details in the YouTube comments. Several in the group are apparently broadcasters from some outfit called Phoenix Chinese News in their European division, and they actually broadcast Chinese language programming over the air in London. Not sure of their specific nationality other than they all seem to be ethnic Chinese, and one claimed to be a British citizen. I guess that's what they were so freaked out about - that they might have had some sort of contract that gave that broadcaster the exclusive rights to use their likeness in a commercial setting. But in a public place that private agreement carries no weight.
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Dr. K now says the piano, which was donated by Elton John, is off limits and has two guards guarding it. He also said he was told there was a possibly armed "handler" with the tourist group. It's a very bizarre situation. Glad that Dr. K is not backing down.
 
Leo99 said:
Dr. K now says the piano, which was donated by Elton John, is off limits and has two guards guarding it. He also said he was told there was a possibly armed "handler" with the tourist group. It's a very bizarre situation. Glad that Dr. K is not backing down.
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Yeah - I heard the "Don't shoot him" although I'm not sure what that was supposed to mean. That was said in English, and I thought it was directed at the person holding the camera about not specifically recording one person.

An armed handler would not be allowed as private security can't legally be armed in the UK with anything. Not even chemical irritants or batons. Remember Prince Harry has been asked to pay for armed police escorts in the UK since he can't hire private guards who can carry weapons.
 
This kind of nonsense (by the visitors to the UK) should not be tolerated.
My brother in law lived in an apartment building in Manchester, England while working there a few years ago.
When he and his co-workers would make bacon and/or sausages for breakfast on Sunday morning the Islamic tenants started to complain because of their aversion to pork. It takes a lot of nerve to come into a country and start telling the natives what do do....and it's not that surprising that the 'authorities' kowtow to the visitors rather than upholding the rights of Britons.
 
pbm said:
This kind of nonsense (by the visitors to the UK) should not be tolerated.
My brother in law lived in an apartment building in Manchester, England while working there a few years ago.
When he and his co-workers would make bacon and/or sausages for breakfast on Sunday morning the Islamic tenants started to complain because of their aversion to pork. It takes a lot of nerve to come into a country and start telling the natives what do do....and it's not that surprising that the 'authorities' kowtow to the visitors rather than upholding the rights of Britons.
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That’s because you cannot have a homogeneous society anymore. Diversity at all costs, so that the subjects cannot agree on anything, never mind actually do something about it, like an increasingly tyrannical government.
 
pbm said:
This kind of nonsense (by the visitors to the UK) should not be tolerated.
My brother in law lived in an apartment building in Manchester, England while working there a few years ago.
When he and his co-workers would make bacon and/or sausages for breakfast on Sunday morning the Islamic tenants started to complain because of their aversion to pork. It takes a lot of nerve to come into a country and start telling the natives what do do....and it's not that surprising that the 'authorities' kowtow to the visitors rather than upholding the rights of Britons.
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I've worked in Silicon Valley and the tech industry for a while so I'm familiar with all sorts of cultural and religious issues. I asked someone from Iran what she did about the possibility that one might be served something with pork in it, like perhaps baked goods with lard. She said the best she could do was try her best and not worry about getting things perfect.

I guess the most interesting was going out to a burger place with Hindu vegetarians. Some of the Hindu Indian coworkers would have chicken, but at least they would have an option. They didn't even worry that it might have been cooked on the same grill as that was beyond their control.

And going to "Indian" restaurants could get tricky since at lot are really operated by Pakistani immigrants. Went to one place with an Indian coworker and I ordered the cubed beef. He didn't bat an eye and said it was really more "Indo-Pak".

As far as this group goes, one did claim to be a British citizen. I can't verify that but it wouldn't be unusual and might even be a plus with a Chinese state broadcaster. But it was clear that she still culturally thought of herself as Chinese. However, her assertion was that even under English law that she was asserting her rights and responsibilities (apparently about their contract with the broadcaster) which really don't exist in a public place.
 
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