Recently bought 6 Wix XP filters but now hesitant to use them because, according to this place, they couldn't filter sand. Can't go back to my usual Bosch D+ because everything made by Purolator will get a tear. Intrigued by the Fram Ultra except for the YouTube video showing one that failed besides, it says Fram on it and everyone knows about the Orange Can Of Death. Seems like the only filter that won't tear a hole in the universe and destroy life as we know it is the Napa Gold. Not sure what is good anymore.
Afraid to buy oil filters now...
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They are all good.
The great thing about the internet is the ability to share info.
The bad thing about the internet is the abiltiy to distort shared info.
Yes - we've seen some failed filters. But our ability to share across the oceans (literally) the kind of info that used to only be seen in a garage discussion with your buddy makes for a tainted view.
There are only a couple of folks here that actually work in the filter business that I'm aware of; Motorking and Pete C. And I'm not really sure the exact capacity they function in to be honest.
What we know is that we don't know the statistics of failures. We don't know the total volume produced, nor the overall failure claim rate, etc. For all we know, the failure rate may actually be in decline, but our intense curiostiy and ability to dig into everyone else's business makes for salacious info.
If you watch the news every night, you'd swear that violent crime is on the rise. But the reality is that statistic has been in decline (Per DOJ/FBI records) for a couple decades, actually. It is the intense ability to broadcase problems nationwide and in your face with immediacy that takes your attention away from a calm, rational approach.
Same applies to filters; this site helps share info that you'd never otherwise see, and the repeated exposure makes for ultra-sensitive discussion.
But don't let this get overblown here. You're welcome to jump to a conclusion; I can't stop you. But I'm not following you off the cliff until I see unbiased, well founded, hard data.
The great thing about the internet is the ability to share info.
The bad thing about the internet is the abiltiy to distort shared info.
Yes - we've seen some failed filters. But our ability to share across the oceans (literally) the kind of info that used to only be seen in a garage discussion with your buddy makes for a tainted view.
There are only a couple of folks here that actually work in the filter business that I'm aware of; Motorking and Pete C. And I'm not really sure the exact capacity they function in to be honest.
What we know is that we don't know the statistics of failures. We don't know the total volume produced, nor the overall failure claim rate, etc. For all we know, the failure rate may actually be in decline, but our intense curiostiy and ability to dig into everyone else's business makes for salacious info.
If you watch the news every night, you'd swear that violent crime is on the rise. But the reality is that statistic has been in decline (Per DOJ/FBI records) for a couple decades, actually. It is the intense ability to broadcase problems nationwide and in your face with immediacy that takes your attention away from a calm, rational approach.
Same applies to filters; this site helps share info that you'd never otherwise see, and the repeated exposure makes for ultra-sensitive discussion.
But don't let this get overblown here. You're welcome to jump to a conclusion; I can't stop you. But I'm not following you off the cliff until I see unbiased, well founded, hard data.
I believe there is a touch of sarcasm here...
Originally Posted By: Bookmaker
Intrigued by the Fram Ultra except for the YouTube video showing one that failed besides, it says Fram on it and everyone knows about the Orange Can Of Death.
I just now watched that video. The filter is shaking around all over the place inside the canister.
Intrigued by the Fram Ultra except for the YouTube video showing one that failed besides, it says Fram on it and everyone knows about the Orange Can Of Death.
I just now watched that video. The filter is shaking around all over the place inside the canister.
IMO, if you were really concerned about the quality of your filters and wanted to feel 100% confident the media would not rip or tear, aqnd the ADBV would remain pliaqble and functional for the duration of the OCI, you'd pay the extra to have european Mahle equipment imported.
They dont tear.
They dont tear.
For some reason there was a Wix filter on the Clio.
Due to family issues this oci was longer than usual.
Can't even remember fitting or buying it.
Isn't even a brand stocked by my usual parts place.
Can't say there was any problem with it. Never cut it open. The oil was really filthy being a diesel and the fact the car had a total change in usage in September. Going from the shortest ever trip being 15 miles of country roads before hitting built up areas to being used almost exclusively round town.
I would likely use them if i had them in the garage.
I am back to a Mahle filter i think on the Clio. Been under a bit of stress of late. But certain it is a Mahle.
Due to family issues this oci was longer than usual.
Can't even remember fitting or buying it.
Isn't even a brand stocked by my usual parts place.
Can't say there was any problem with it. Never cut it open. The oil was really filthy being a diesel and the fact the car had a total change in usage in September. Going from the shortest ever trip being 15 miles of country roads before hitting built up areas to being used almost exclusively round town.
I would likely use them if i had them in the garage.
I am back to a Mahle filter i think on the Clio. Been under a bit of stress of late. But certain it is a Mahle.
To run the statistics is really quite simple and very standard in any industry...
For any one given brand, how many are we finding torn vs how many are we finding not torn?
So, if our sample size is large enough and the tears are greater than whatever threshold Purolator allows (i.e. 95/95, p value, cpk or 6 Sigma which is 3.4 DPMO (Defects Per Million Opportunities)), they need to make robust improvements to their process to eliminate the stresses at that point of failure.
For any one given brand, how many are we finding torn vs how many are we finding not torn?
So, if our sample size is large enough and the tears are greater than whatever threshold Purolator allows (i.e. 95/95, p value, cpk or 6 Sigma which is 3.4 DPMO (Defects Per Million Opportunities)), they need to make robust improvements to their process to eliminate the stresses at that point of failure.
I've cut many filters, and studied a whole lot about filters and their efficiency. I've seen a lot of posts here and added some of my own experiences.
While I've never seen a good Fram, I've never seen a terrible Wix. I've seen holes worn in Mann. Most filters I see are Chinese junk that come in on customer cars.
I put Donaldson on everything I can, and buy Mann or Luber-Finer, or OEM for those that Donaldson does not make.
In general I don't put synthetic filters on car or light truck engines. With a decent filter and good oil in normal driving conditions, the engine will last a million miles. A couple of years ago a customer brought me his new, $120,000 tow truck with a Cummins diesel in it so I could recommend the filters and fluids for it. I told him I had the standard filter for $6 or could order some synthetics for $10. He said synthetic, and I don't blame him. with all the dirt roads and sand here, a filter that absolute at about 16 um (as I remember) vs one that is nominal at 20 um will make a difference over the long run.
While I've never seen a good Fram, I've never seen a terrible Wix. I've seen holes worn in Mann. Most filters I see are Chinese junk that come in on customer cars.
I put Donaldson on everything I can, and buy Mann or Luber-Finer, or OEM for those that Donaldson does not make.
In general I don't put synthetic filters on car or light truck engines. With a decent filter and good oil in normal driving conditions, the engine will last a million miles. A couple of years ago a customer brought me his new, $120,000 tow truck with a Cummins diesel in it so I could recommend the filters and fluids for it. I told him I had the standard filter for $6 or could order some synthetics for $10. He said synthetic, and I don't blame him. with all the dirt roads and sand here, a filter that absolute at about 16 um (as I remember) vs one that is nominal at 20 um will make a difference over the long run.
Originally Posted By: Red91
I believe there is a touch of sarcasm here...
A touch of sarcasm, yes. But also concern.
I believe there is a touch of sarcasm here...
A touch of sarcasm, yes. But also concern.
I just stick to Wix (NAPA Gold).
I change them off each oil change and don't worry about it.
But my "trusted" list is very short at this point.
I change them off each oil change and don't worry about it.
But my "trusted" list is very short at this point.
seems Japanese filters would be good (denso),
the Japanese quality control) is generally good
the Japanese quality control) is generally good
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Originally Posted By: Bookmaker
Recently bought 6 Wix XP filters but now hesitant to use them because, according to this place, they couldn't filter sand. Can't go back to my usual Bosch D+ because everything made by Purolator will get a tear. Intrigued by the Fram Ultra except for the YouTube video showing one that failed besides, it says Fram on it and everyone knows about the Orange Can Of Death. Seems like the only filter that won't tear a hole in the universe and destroy life as we know it is the Napa Gold. Not sure what is good anymore.
don't forget that those NAPA filters are made by Wix...[insert dramatic sting here]
Recently bought 6 Wix XP filters but now hesitant to use them because, according to this place, they couldn't filter sand. Can't go back to my usual Bosch D+ because everything made by Purolator will get a tear. Intrigued by the Fram Ultra except for the YouTube video showing one that failed besides, it says Fram on it and everyone knows about the Orange Can Of Death. Seems like the only filter that won't tear a hole in the universe and destroy life as we know it is the Napa Gold. Not sure what is good anymore.
don't forget that those NAPA filters are made by Wix...[insert dramatic sting here]
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Originally Posted By: bigjl
For some reason there was a Wix filter on the Clio.
Due to family issues this oci was longer than usual.
Can't even remember fitting or buying it.
Isn't even a brand stocked by my usual parts place.
It's early. I thought this was starting out as a limerick.
I thought that Fram examined the filter and determined that it had been dropped. I remember the video guy as being a little sketchy, and economical with all the facts.
For some reason there was a Wix filter on the Clio.
Due to family issues this oci was longer than usual.
Can't even remember fitting or buying it.
Isn't even a brand stocked by my usual parts place.
It's early. I thought this was starting out as a limerick.
I thought that Fram examined the filter and determined that it had been dropped. I remember the video guy as being a little sketchy, and economical with all the facts.
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Originally Posted By: Olas
IMO, if you were really concerned about the quality of your filters and wanted to feel 100% confident the media would not rip or tear, aqnd the ADBV would remain pliaqble and functional for the duration of the OCI, you'd pay the extra to have european Mahle equipment imported.
They dont tear.
I've never used their oil filters, but I did splurge on a Mahle air filter for my truck. It was a very nicely built product, and it fit perfectly. It was made in China, not Germany, but so are a lot of things.
I'll never use another air filter brand, if I can help it.
IMO, if you were really concerned about the quality of your filters and wanted to feel 100% confident the media would not rip or tear, aqnd the ADBV would remain pliaqble and functional for the duration of the OCI, you'd pay the extra to have european Mahle equipment imported.
They dont tear.
I've never used their oil filters, but I did splurge on a Mahle air filter for my truck. It was a very nicely built product, and it fit perfectly. It was made in China, not Germany, but so are a lot of things.
I'll never use another air filter brand, if I can help it.
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I missed something here-other than no published specs, what is wrong with the Wix XP (NAPA Platinum)??
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Originally Posted By: Bookmaker
Recently bought 6 Wix XP filters but now hesitant to use them because, according to this place, they couldn't filter sand. Can't go back to my usual Bosch D+ because everything made by Purolator will get a tear. Intrigued by the Fram Ultra except for the YouTube video showing one that failed besides, it says Fram on it and everyone knows about the Orange Can Of Death. Seems like the only filter that won't tear a hole in the universe and destroy life as we know it is the Napa Gold. Not sure what is good anymore.
don't forget that those NAPA filters are made by Wix...[insert dramatic sting here]
Don't forget that those WIX XP filters are not the same thing as the Napa Gold filters... [insert dramatic sting here]
Originally Posted By: Bookmaker
Recently bought 6 Wix XP filters but now hesitant to use them because, according to this place, they couldn't filter sand. Can't go back to my usual Bosch D+ because everything made by Purolator will get a tear. Intrigued by the Fram Ultra except for the YouTube video showing one that failed besides, it says Fram on it and everyone knows about the Orange Can Of Death. Seems like the only filter that won't tear a hole in the universe and destroy life as we know it is the Napa Gold. Not sure what is good anymore.
don't forget that those NAPA filters are made by Wix...[insert dramatic sting here]
Don't forget that those WIX XP filters are not the same thing as the Napa Gold filters... [insert dramatic sting here]
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