I've finished the second treatment of RX in a 95 Toyota 4x4 22RE w/128,000 miles. I ran 1st bottle for 1k, then changed oil & filter, ran dino for 2k, added 2nd bottle of RX for 1k. (all on Mobil Drive Clean 10W-30 & Toyota OEM filters). Still seems to be using a little oil. I've had to add 1qt in all during this whole process (3k). Should I run another bottle (3rd), just to be sure I've done all I can? I'm going to run Redline 10W-30 when this is over w/3oz of RX for maintanance. If you guys think I should run another bottle, how long? I want to do this right. Thanx! Rando
2nd Bottle of RX is over, should I go for a 3rd treatment?
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Mobile Drive Clean is not very good oil!! It is the only oil my 1986 Toyota 4Runner will burn. I equate it to wesson corn oil. I would try a better oil. If you have your heart set on dino oil go down to walmart and get some Delvac 1300 15W40 or Rotella T 15W40 both are $6 a gallon. I had nothing but bad experinces with Drive Clean and Drive Clean blend. My 1986 is also a 22RE. This is much cheaper then a third treat ment of Auto-Rx. I doubt that a third treatment is going to do anything that the first do did not do. The only way Auto-Rx could help with oil burning is if the rings were sticking or valves seals were hard and not sealing. If you like the 3 oz. preventive doseage sounds like the way to go. After you try the thicker and IMHO better oils tell us if they helped. P.S. My 22RE is 17 years old does not burn any oil at unless I put 10W30 Drive Clean in it!!!
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Frank,
I purchased a couple of bottles of Auto-RX over the winter and I was extremely pleased with the results.
I'm looking to order some more for me and some for a friend to try. Are you currently running any "specials" for folks on the Bobistheoilguy site. This site is where I originally found out about your product.
I have used it on my '99 Crown Victoria Police Interceptor. This was a retired cruiser with 100K miles on the odometer (and lots of idle time). Auto-RX did a noticable job of cleaning up the motor.
I also used it on my '95 Lincoln Towncar with 86K miles. This car used about 1 quart of oil per 3K miles. I figured the oil seals needed replacement (this is a common problem on the pre '96 Ford 4.6L engines). After one Auto-RX treatment, the oil consumption went down to less than 1/2 quart per 3500 miles. I'm not sure if Auto-RX somehow cleaned and conditioned the valve seals or if possibly I had some sticky rings. Either way, I'm impressed with the results.
I want a friend to try some and I'm hoping your still running a special price.
Thanks for a product that works as advertised.
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posted May 19, 2003 10:30 AM
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Frank,
I purchased a couple of bottles of Auto-RX over the winter and I was extremely pleased with the results.
I'm looking to order some more for me and some for a friend to try. Are you currently running any "specials" for folks on the Bobistheoilguy site. This site is where I originally found out about your product.
I have used it on my '99 Crown Victoria Police Interceptor. This was a retired cruiser with 100K miles on the odometer (and lots of idle time). Auto-RX did a noticable job of cleaning up the motor.
I also used it on my '95 Lincoln Towncar with 86K miles. This car used about 1 quart of oil per 3K miles. I figured the oil seals needed replacement (this is a common problem on the pre '96 Ford 4.6L engines). After one Auto-RX treatment, the oil consumption went down to less than 1/2 quart per 3500 miles. I'm not sure if Auto-RX somehow cleaned and conditioned the valve seals or if possibly I had some sticky rings. Either way, I'm impressed with the results.
I want a friend to try some and I'm hoping your still running a special price.
Thanks for a product that works as advertised.
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Rando just follow application instructions no
need to use full bottle. Add 3 ounces of Auto-Rx to your next oil change and continue to do so.
If your burning oil now just top off till next oil change. Please revisit www.auto-rx.com and click on application instructions for Toyota
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need to use full bottle. Add 3 ounces of Auto-Rx to your next oil change and continue to do so.
If your burning oil now just top off till next oil change. Please revisit www.auto-rx.com and click on application instructions for Toyota
Thanks
Rando I ran Castrol GTX 20W50 in warm months and Castrol 10W30 in the cold months. I swited over to M1 in 1988 and ran 15W50 M1 in it and 10W30 in winter. Last year it started to leak at the rear main seal so I switched back to Dino oil. I planed on getting rid of her but I just can not do it. It is not my daily drive anymore but she still runs strong aside from the leaking rear main seal. I keep her around as an emergency spare. The 22RE likes a thick oil that meets the API temp/VIS chart for expected temps. THe 22RE is based on a design from the early 1950's and as such it will eat thin oil up!In the winter try some Delvac 1 5W40 if temps get low!
Frank You did not answer his question. He asked if he should run a third bottle of Auto-Rx through his Toyota. He has already had two treatments of Auto-Rx in the engine. He had each one in for 1000 miles. Plus he did the plain oil for 1500 miles prior to the second treatment. Are you trying to say that he need to put a third treatment through his truck? I did not see any reference to a third treatment in the testimonial you posted in responce to his question. I guess my question would be how many treatments should he run through his car or truck before it is resonable for him to give up hope of it helping? Surely their must be some type of cut off point were he can say na it did not help! I only say this because your product is not cost effective and so far I have not seen any great results from it in my engine. I am going to do a second treatment before I pass judgement but so far I have not seen any results after the first 500 miles. I merly changed the filter and have left the product in with a new filter. I have admitt that with all of the hype I am a bit disapointed! It has always been my opion that it is better to under promise and over deliver then over promise and under deliver. We will see what comes out of my trany since I put 2 gallons of new fluid, a filter and half a bottle of Auto-Rx in. I am leaveing that in for 1500 miles. It appears to be cleaing the trans fairly well judgeing from the color of the trany fluid.
John and all, while you are reserving your judgement about the efficacy of Auto-RX remember this. If the engine is mechanically using oil because of poor or worn rings, worn valve guide seals or damaged seals Auto-RX or any other chemistry will not fix it. Franks website plainly states that this is not a miracle cure for mechanically damaged engines. It is a cleaner. If it cleans up the carbon that was holding back oil or hiding a problem you may increase your oil consumption. You needed to repair the real problem anyway.
It is amazing what it can do if dirt or carbon is the issue but lets not hold Frank responsible for a mechanically troubled engine.
A note for you folks that are hitting and missing in lubricant selection and cleaning, one good trended oil analysis( properly interpreted) can point you in the right direction taking alot of the guessing out of the equation. I'm amazed after what analysis has shown to many on this board that still they'll spend $100's of dollars on chemicals and repairs/parts with no clue what the real issue is.
Sounds like Rando may need new rings or valve guide seals. Although 1 qt in 3000 miles is not excessive for that 128,000 mile engine IMHO.
Sincerely, Terry
It is amazing what it can do if dirt or carbon is the issue but lets not hold Frank responsible for a mechanically troubled engine.
A note for you folks that are hitting and missing in lubricant selection and cleaning, one good trended oil analysis( properly interpreted) can point you in the right direction taking alot of the guessing out of the equation. I'm amazed after what analysis has shown to many on this board that still they'll spend $100's of dollars on chemicals and repairs/parts with no clue what the real issue is.
Sounds like Rando may need new rings or valve guide seals. Although 1 qt in 3000 miles is not excessive for that 128,000 mile engine IMHO.
Sincerely, Terry
I wouldn't worry ,1 qt. in 3,000 miles is o.k. try a 10w 40 see what happens .
If you read my post above you will clearly see that Rando should use 3 ounces of Auto-Rx with every oil change. There is no reason to use a third bottle of Auto-Rx. I believe all questions have been answered clearly.
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Rando, just run the M1 10-30. You will notice consumption for the first 3000 miles or so then it should gradually dissapate. I would change this first m1 at 4000 miles then refill and run to regular intervals of M1, about 5000-6000 miles.
IMO 1 quart is not bad considering you were doing a cleaning process.
IMO 1 quart is not bad considering you were doing a cleaning process.
John Browning;
I agree that Frank did answer the question. He should go with a maintenance dose. Frank has never over promised anything with his product. If you state that it's a pure fabrication on your part. He's always been very clear and concise about what his product is designed to do and does. It has never been promoted as something to correct mechanical problems. He has stated this on the web site and to me personally when I've called. The results posted are from users of his product and what they post. I am one of them. I'm also getting ready to treat both engines on my boat. They are Chevy 350 engines and with the load, and idling, there will be carbon in there. Frank's product is a cleaner that has worked very well for me and I'll continue to use it. I've also treated a couple of my auto transmissions with it. One showed an excellent improvement in shifting and the other was working fine but, I put it in anyway. I didn't want to wait until there was a problem. In my experience with buying and using Auto-Rx, to say it isn't cost effective is one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in some time. One of the emgines I treated is a Ford PSD with 167,000 miles on it. It was well worth it to stop my oil leak and get whatever that gunk was out of my engine. I bought it used and the previous owner had been running Shell Rotella 15w40. I don't know how long or what the drain intervals were. The other two vehicles I've owned since new. They are high mileage also and at this point show no apparent problems. I just wish I had sent in an oil sample of what came out of the engines when treated. They didn't look good but, I would like to have that analysis in hand. Subsequent oil analysis on the diesel has been excellent.
I agree that Frank did answer the question. He should go with a maintenance dose. Frank has never over promised anything with his product. If you state that it's a pure fabrication on your part. He's always been very clear and concise about what his product is designed to do and does. It has never been promoted as something to correct mechanical problems. He has stated this on the web site and to me personally when I've called. The results posted are from users of his product and what they post. I am one of them. I'm also getting ready to treat both engines on my boat. They are Chevy 350 engines and with the load, and idling, there will be carbon in there. Frank's product is a cleaner that has worked very well for me and I'll continue to use it. I've also treated a couple of my auto transmissions with it. One showed an excellent improvement in shifting and the other was working fine but, I put it in anyway. I didn't want to wait until there was a problem. In my experience with buying and using Auto-Rx, to say it isn't cost effective is one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in some time. One of the emgines I treated is a Ford PSD with 167,000 miles on it. It was well worth it to stop my oil leak and get whatever that gunk was out of my engine. I bought it used and the previous owner had been running Shell Rotella 15w40. I don't know how long or what the drain intervals were. The other two vehicles I've owned since new. They are high mileage also and at this point show no apparent problems. I just wish I had sent in an oil sample of what came out of the engines when treated. They didn't look good but, I would like to have that analysis in hand. Subsequent oil analysis on the diesel has been excellent.
Well Frank when I began typeing my reply their was no other reply yet from anyone showing up. I am on a lowly dialup. You have to admit that the canned testimonial did not answere any of his questions reguarding a THIRD treatment. My advice did not differ from yours at all. I too sugested that he not waste his money on a third treatment but to instead do the 3oz. maintenance doseage. I honestly think that if he try's a thicker oil like 15W40 like Delvac 1300 or Rotella T his problem with excessive oil consumption will be reduced but not elimanated.
Terry I agree with 100%. You are not going to fix mechanical issues with chemical fix's. I have not seen anything great about this product so far. My filter was almost as clean as the control filter that was run 2000 miles and cut open to see what I would find in my new used car. I just find it hard to belive that with a car that has 109,000 miles on it that has been run on M1 and Dino oil for extended drains based on GM's oil computer that their was no sludge or carbon to be removed. My pcv valve was covered with carbon. It has not done anything to clean the upper head area that is visable and the filter was not loaded with carbon or sludge. I also noticed that the N.Star motor that has used the product has not seen anything to write home to mom about either. I am only reporting what I have observed so far and that has been nothing. My engine does not run any smooter, it does not leak any less oil and it does not apear to be any cleaner inside from what I can tell. I am not about to lie just to make people happy. I have one more bottle left of Auto-Rx and that is for the second engine treatment. We will see what we see but no mattter what i am going to report what I find not what people want me to find!! I am glad it has helped alot of people out. I expect the engine to be as clean as those listed on Auto-Rx site. Who knows maybe the second treatment will turn things around and it will be a s clean as new. If it is I will report that too. Even Bob comented that he saw no big difference with the use of Auto-Rx. I guess that I should count myself lucky that I did not have a carbon or sludge proplem!
Pammer I do not profess to be an expert on auto-Rx. But like other I too can read previous posts and combine with my previous knoldge and experince.I was a mechanic for 12 years I have tried just about anything you can name. I work for a huge domestic auto manufacture and get exposed to all kinds of products daily. I speak with engineers and tear engines and transmission apart looking for the cause of failure. So yes I have an opion on a good many products. I can also cut open a filter, remove a valve cover, check for leaks....Please point out to me what advice Frank gave? Did it differ drasticly from my advice? I think not! So the inventor of the product gave the same advice I did. I would say that means I answered the question correctly. I know alot about automotive topics because it is my job! I happen to have purchased three bottles of Auto-Rx and am useing two of them right now. I think as a paying customer my opion counts. I contribute because I like to learn from others and to share what I know. I do not have a vested interest in the product like some do. I am constantly "reading" and then "doing". I try hard to learn and better myself every day and enjoy spending time with people that enjoy the same. What sense is liveing if you are not learning, shareing and doing something new everyday! Seems odd that only glowing reports of Auto-Rx are allowed. Unlike some I am objective and will only report what I find. I thought that the purpose of this site was to report to the group what we had found out or experinced first hand!!!! I also fail to see where I confused the man at all. I think my orginal post was plent accurate.
I've looked at all the posts here and am amazed that things can get so deep on such a simple question. I truely appreciate all your suggestions and feel that Frank did answer my question. I mentioned earlier that I was gonna run the Redline 10W-30 fist. Well, I changed the oil tonite and went with the Mobil 1 10W-30 and 3oz of ARX. In my case, I did feel the difference when I added my first bottle on initial treatment. The truck seem to have more power and the ticking was gone. And it hasn't returned! When you drive a vehicle 100 miles a day you tend to notice things very easily. I know my truck is running much better since using ARX, and you know what?, thats all that matters. I'm happy and will continue to use it. Now I don't know what the inside of the motor looks like, but I know it feels stronger and runs smoother than before the treatments. I will see what happens as far as consumption is concerned and keep you posted. I'm following Al's suggestion this time running a 25% 15W-50 with the 10W-30. Sump holds 4 1/2 qts. I will run the Redline next and see if there's any difference. If not, then I'll probably go with the ring and valve guide seals change idea. You don't realize how helpful you've all been here. I didn't really what to do till I found this site and tapped into everything you guys offer. And, isn't that the purpose here anyway? Lets keep the info flowing and be careful with our opinions ok? It's like, you can talk about my wife and my dog, but be careful when you talk about my Toyota Truck! Rando
John, do report what you see but understand we don't agree 100%. At least not on RX.
While you are questioning Auto-RX capabilites it is cleaning your engine, lowering wear, and dropping emissions. Its effects are residual after use.
So when you think its done, its effects are still reducing wear. One point to consider is that unlike harsher solvents its is cleaning through layers of build up where it counts. The hard glazed stuff, not just gross sludge. Really doesn't sound like the Buick has any heavy sludge so what were you looking for in the filter?
A forensics expert surely understands that coked polymer additive glaze is hard and layered and will be smaller than 20 microns unless cleaned and dispersed. Stuff is even difficult to scrape off manually, give RX a chance it will go after it.
The more common low flash solvents clean initially then volatize off leaving layers of partially cleaned contamination and resultant dryed seals.
For instance if you had used Rx with the M1 in your toyo truck the rear main wouldn't leak from drying out.
Point is Rx works more gently and it took alot of miles to build up crude and takes some time to get the harder deposits.
After testing Auto-RX I have found it to be GREAT. I dare say I have seen more analysis reports using RX than most have the chance to.
Otherwise I wouldn't associate my reputation with its unique capabilites.
Rest assured that if anyone would smoke Frank Miller like a cheap cigar PUBLICLY, I would have, if Auto-RX wasn't up to snuff.
I do know that Mr. Miller has a 100% money back guarantee so you aren't out of any money for your trouble. Just get in touch with Frank at the end of your mini study if the results are not to your satisfaction.
While you are questioning Auto-RX capabilites it is cleaning your engine, lowering wear, and dropping emissions. Its effects are residual after use.
So when you think its done, its effects are still reducing wear. One point to consider is that unlike harsher solvents its is cleaning through layers of build up where it counts. The hard glazed stuff, not just gross sludge. Really doesn't sound like the Buick has any heavy sludge so what were you looking for in the filter?
A forensics expert surely understands that coked polymer additive glaze is hard and layered and will be smaller than 20 microns unless cleaned and dispersed. Stuff is even difficult to scrape off manually, give RX a chance it will go after it.
The more common low flash solvents clean initially then volatize off leaving layers of partially cleaned contamination and resultant dryed seals.
For instance if you had used Rx with the M1 in your toyo truck the rear main wouldn't leak from drying out.
Point is Rx works more gently and it took alot of miles to build up crude and takes some time to get the harder deposits.
After testing Auto-RX I have found it to be GREAT. I dare say I have seen more analysis reports using RX than most have the chance to.
Otherwise I wouldn't associate my reputation with its unique capabilites.
Rest assured that if anyone would smoke Frank Miller like a cheap cigar PUBLICLY, I would have, if Auto-RX wasn't up to snuff.
I do know that Mr. Miller has a 100% money back guarantee so you aren't out of any money for your trouble. Just get in touch with Frank at the end of your mini study if the results are not to your satisfaction.
Rando Thank you for "sharing" let me know if you have any other questions I can answer about "Auto-Rx".
John,
Yes, I have in the past tried the RX, and did in fact make that comment that I didn't see anything BUT... The rest of that statement which you failed to include was to the effect that....I really didn't expect to as I had already purged my engine out months ago with the nuetra 131 and been running schaeffers oil since.
Let me point out that if you have a clean engine, you can't get something out that isn't there, so my comment/statment was based on that. This doesn't mean it does or does not work, but was just a statement and conclusion based on what I had peviously done. Hope that clarifies that comment.
Thanks.
bob
Yes, I have in the past tried the RX, and did in fact make that comment that I didn't see anything BUT... The rest of that statement which you failed to include was to the effect that....I really didn't expect to as I had already purged my engine out months ago with the nuetra 131 and been running schaeffers oil since.
Let me point out that if you have a clean engine, you can't get something out that isn't there, so my comment/statment was based on that. This doesn't mean it does or does not work, but was just a statement and conclusion based on what I had peviously done. Hope that clarifies that comment.
Thanks.
bob
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