21 escape ready to drive off cliff!

[mrjlube]

Transmission went out....long story short Ford replaced it twice already. 1st one had a messed up torque converter, put in a second one now after a week I hear bearing noise and wirring sound. About to go in again. Dont know what to do with this thing 130,00 miles. Missing work over this thing. I will never buy another new ford!

 

[Mathew_Boss]

We had a brand new 2019 Toyota Highlander that blew 2 engines in 5,500 miles. Traded it for a 2020 Highlander that tried to kill our family by tanking random hard lefts on the interstate which was confirmed by the tech but there wasn't a way to fix it. We just traded it for a Kia and have not had a problem since.

 

[PF52]

Yes. A brick and a nearby cliff will do quite nicely.

 

[Zee09]

Find a new service department.
Good luck. Very frustrating indeed.

 

[Kira]

The Escape is under warranty, no?

CVT?

 

[zzyzzx]

Isn't this a duplicate thread?
Isn't 130K actually not so bad for a lifetime for an automatic transmission, especially when we don't know how it was maintained or driven?
Exactly who is rebuilding these transmissions?
I'd be blaming the rebuilder or mechanics.

I got ~265K from my 1995 Escort's automatic transmission, but I drove it gently and maintained it.

 

[mrjlube]

I bought vehicle new. Oil changes every 5,000 miles trans was flushed twice in 100,000 miles. Starting shifting funny at 100,000 miles. Paid $7,600 for a new trans from ford. Now on its 3d one. They just keep failing within 1,000 miles. So so frustrating. II baby this car and drive it very easy. Starting to think i should drive it hard!?

 

[atikovi]

Dont know what to do with this thing 130,00 miles.

Starting shifting funny at 100,000 miles. Paid $7,600 for a new trans from ford.

Don't the Ford Motorcraft replacements have a 3 year 36,000 mile warranty?

 

[gman2304]

trans was flushed twice in 100,000 miles

IDK for sure, but Jus sayin…..

 

[Dave9]

I once knew someone, who every time they were going somewhere, they would back out, and throw the transmission in drive while the vehicle was still moving backwards.

130K mi on a 2021? Wow.

You need a different shop. They're screwing something up.

 

[supton]

That sucks. I vaguely recall this saga a few months ago. Just won't quit. Makes me nervous about my CVT... I'm thinking I'm going to trade out of it in a couple of years.

Not sure what is best here. Clearly the shop needs to make this right. Maybe replace the radiator too, as it probably has a cooling loop in it, and maybe they cannot flush it properly. AKA replace everything and hope the customer goes away--which at this point, is what I'd do, trade this off, as I'd be rather put out.

Then again, as we all know, for 1,000 remans that get sold, some percentage will fail early--and some percentage of those replacements will fail in short order too. Stats game here. But that's little consolation to whoever has to deal with the aftermath.

Of course, maybe this is ECU (TCU?) related? some sensor not read properly, or an ECU that is not quite right in its head.

 

[John105]

If it's any consolation, I have a really mean and nasty neighbor (I don't know if she has some sort of mental issues or what, but to give an example, she called the police when I mentioned her mulch has fungus shooting spores over to our cars). She has a brand new Escape and I'm not usually like this, but if it gives her multiple problems I wouldn't shed any tears, maybe stones.

 

[MSCH]

maybe Ford isn't flushing the trans cooler when they do the R@R on the transmission.. ?

 

[IndyIan]

That sucks. I vaguely recall this saga a few months ago. Just won't quit. Makes me nervous about my CVT... I'm thinking I'm going to trade out of it in a couple of years.

Not sure what is best here. Clearly the shop needs to make this right. Maybe replace the radiator too, as it probably has a cooling loop in it, and maybe they cannot flush it properly. AKA replace everything and hope the customer goes away--which at this point, is what I'd do, trade this off, as I'd be rather put out.

Then again, as we all know, for 1,000 remans that get sold, some percentage will fail early--and some percentage of those replacements will fail in short order too. Stats game here. But that's little consolation to whoever has to deal with the aftermath.

Of course, maybe this is ECU (TCU?) related? some sensor not read properly, or an ECU that is not quite right in its head.

Improving your chances of avoiding this kind of stuff is why you bought a toyota... Not that repeat failures can't happen with any car, but a few brands seem to be better at avoiding this.

 

[D60]

Isn't this a duplicate thread?
Isn't 130K actually not so bad for a lifetime for an automatic transmission, especially when we don't know how it was maintained or driven?
Exactly who is rebuilding these transmissions?
I'd be blaming the rebuilder or mechanics.

I got ~265K from my 1995 Escort's automatic transmission, but I drove it gently and maintained it.

Yes, it is
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2021-ford-escape-new-transmission-shudders.372874/

Also, for whatever reason the Big 3 just don't put the quality into their cute utes as much. They're meant to be disposable and 130k is actually pretty good.

The Escape has been questionable for years. Jeep is especially bad with the Patriot/Compass/Renegade. And things like the Chevy Trax are just South Korean junk at their powerplant. Even the Trailblazer has always been dubious with "meh, it'll probably work" engineering decisions.

My point is that I'd get this Escape working well enough and dump it off.

 

[supton]

Improving your chances of avoiding this kind of stuff is why you bought a toyota... Not that repeat failures can't happen with any car, but a few brands seem to be better at avoiding this.

Don't want to fall into that trap, thinking my car is a good one, and will escape a bad idea. Does what I want for a disposable commuter, but man, the risk is high it seems.

 

[D60]

Improving your chances of avoiding this kind of stuff is why you bought a toyota... Not that repeat failures can't happen with any car, but a few brands seem to be better at avoiding this.

I hate to admit it but I watch the college kids/recent college grads at my non-profit. Those with RAV4's and CRV's (circa 2000 MY, because, college kids) just go and go and go. The kids don't even know you're supposed to change your oil, but the Japanese stuff just takes a beating via neglect and keeps chugging.

For the record I don't own any Honda or Toyota and probably never will....but if I wanted to put an oblivious young person into a car I know they'll never think about, it would probably be Honda or Toyota. Thankfully for the entire planet, I have not procreated, so I don't have kids to worry about.

 

[MSCH]

one thing for sure is Toyota and Honda dealerships both have service centers with multiple bays.
Just like all the others and for the same reasons.

 

[IndyIan]

Don't want to fall into that trap, thinking my car is a good one, and will escape a bad idea. Does what I want for a disposable commuter, but man, the risk is high it seems.

I'm pretty sure this Escape has a 6 or 8 spd conventional transmission. I don't know how much Toyota and Subaru cooperate but Subaru as been doing CVT's for a while and toyota usually does their homework, even on the cheap cars.

one thing for sure is Toyota and Honda dealerships both have service centers with multiple bays.
Just like all the others and for the same reasons.

I just get the general impression that Ford and GM engineering is listening too much to the bean counters, and either not spec'ing good enough parts quality or not spending enough time in R&D before letting some of their cheaper vehicles roll down the line...
Knock on wood, but Subaru seems to have learned their lessons from 10-12 years ago, and we've had only a couple small parts and engineering decisions issues, all fixed for free even out of warranty by Subaru, so they seem to be more invested in their vehicles in this class/price range just like Toyota/Honda.
I like my Focus and it seems the expensive oily parts are good under the hood, but a lot of other parts are failing earlier than my buddies 2004 Echo for example.

 

[bdcardinal]

Don't the Ford Motorcraft replacements have a 3 year 36,000 mile warranty?

3yr/unlimited miles on transmissions and gas engines, 2yr/unlimited miles on diesel engines.

FWIW we have had issues with reman units being DOA for a while now.