Maybe go for a drive with Wendy, see if her driving style is the factor.
When my wife drives she uses accel and brakes way more aggressively than I do.
When my wife drives she uses accel and brakes way more aggressively than I do.
Sorry to hear about your brother.My nieces 2105 Odyssey EX-L...
April 2022, 133,500K, I installed Element 3 Pads and rotors. Cleaned up everything, lubed, torqued, etc.
April 2023, 159,000, 25,500 miles since service, Wendy complained of a shake, she took it to local Wheel Works (Firestone), they said it was LCA bushings. Took it to a "good" shop in Santa Cruz. This used to be my brother's shop before he got sick from cancer and passed away at 44. I love the place, on the west side of town by the University. They said it was brake shudder which of course surprised me. Mechanic said he did not like the Raybestos E3 brake components. He resurfaced rotors (front and rear), reused E3 front pads and installed new rear pads. $600.
A month or so ago Wendy said the shudder returned at times, primarily on the freeway. There is a windy, hilly highway between here and Santa Cruz through the Santa Cruz Mountain Range.
Based on @The Critic recommendation, I purchased Honda pads (Ebay $65) and Dynamic Friction Geospec rotors (RA, $60 each).
Today, Aug 2023, 169,000, 10,000 miles since resurface rotors, I installed the new parts. I was disappointed with the shop's work. Way over torqued fasteners, too much lube in the sliders as one slider would not fully compress.
Apparently the brakes may be undersized for the minivan? I've installed the Element 3 on several vehicles including my Tundra (pads only) and on a TSX. Maybe the rotors are not up to the task of a heavy van?
Dunno. Should I plan on brakes every 25K? Let's see what happens. The brakes feel pretty good right now. The Honda pad fittment was like buttah... Nice!
Wendy let me know the brakes feel great; she got home through the hills. I have had good results with the E3 brake components. Not sure I will use them again...
I'm too chicken.Maybe go for a drive with Wendy, see if her driving style is the factor.
When my wife drives she uses accel and brakes way more aggressively than I do.
I have been on the Odyssey forums for years since I regularly service two of them for close friends. According to many postings, using the Akebono ACT 1089 pads and Centric Premium 120.40092 rotors will alleviate the warped rotor and pulsating brake issue. They reference the video below; however, I prefer to use Honda OEM hardware in lieu of the Centric kit. The pad bedding process is also critical to long term success.
It's a nice idea, but it's also futile....Maybe go for a drive with Wendy, see if her driving style is the factor.
When my wife drives she uses accel and brakes way more aggressively than I do.
At the end of the day, safety is the biggest factor and I have to believe that, in this example, Odysseys stop just fine. I mean, it's still a 5000# (??) mini-van so it ain't stopping like a hyper sports car nor would anyone expect it to. Does the average owner think "geez, it seems like I replace the brakes on this every 2 years" ? I doubt it.... Brakes wear out and people expect this.Going undersized rotors
Emergency stopping is one thing; this is another.At the end of the day, safety is the biggest factor and I have to believe that, in this example, Odysseys stop just fine. I mean, it's still a 5000# (??) mini-van so it ain't stopping like a hyper sports car nor would anyone expect it to. Does the average owner think "geez, it seems like I replace the brakes on this every 2 years" ? I doubt it.... Brakes wear out and people expect this.
True, but it seems its a minivan thing, to put under achieving brakes in terms of mileage. VW kept the same brake setup on the 2014 Routan as Dodge did on the Grand Caravan. I guess VW thought they were good enough, even though lots of people were doing brakes every 30k miles here in the flatlands!Emergency stopping is one thing; this is another.
Most cars, including Odyssay, have an acceptable stopping distance from 60mph. The problem is when brakes are overtaxed. When a driver does multiple hard braking or spends too much time on the brake pedal. The size is everything in that case.
Yes, Odyssey will stop fine 60-0 mph. After 3-4 repeated attempts? No, it won't! Could it? Of course, but that is a choice Honda made.
Simply, Honda brakes do not dissipate heat appropriately, and the rotor compound is not designed for such driving.
The culprit is Honda, not Wendy.
Upgrade to rotors that have high carbon content is one if the solutions. It worked for my Sienna.True, but it seems its a minivan thing, to put under achieving brakes in terms of mileage. VW kept the same brake setup on the 2014 Routan as Dodge did on the Grand Caravan. I guess VW thought they were good enough, even though lots of people were doing brakes every 30k miles here in the flatlands!
I would advise Wendy on the simple driving changes that might help her brakes last, and after that she can decide what she wants to do.
If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough (or rich)!
We've got a 2013 Odyssey and have tried the Akebono and Raybestos pad and rotor kit from RA. 2 years later, it develops the brake pulsation. Now currently trying the Powerstop Evolution combo, fingers crossed.If I had to guess, I'm afraid @edyvw is right on this one. Quality parts count, but if the design is subpar, you are fighting an tough battle.
Brakes are a critical component.
I think the E3 rotors are not up to the task for this heavy, FWD vehicle. It shouldn't be that hard. I love Hondas, but this is not good...