2005 4 Cyl Accord and CRV - Filter + Oil

[Accord2005NJ]

Hi,

Great forum. Many knowledgable people. I appreciate your advice.

I have a 2005 Accord LX Auto (4 cyl) and 2005 CRV LX (4x4) [my and wife's].

Honda says use Honda OEM filters and 5W-20 oil. I use Mobil1 Filter (M1-110) and Mobil 5w30 full synthetic with 5,000 miles changes.

I drive the Accord mostly on highway trips 15+ miles one way. However,my wife's CRV gets a bit more "abuse" as it is used more for short trips to Shoprite - 2 miles back and forth. She does warm up the CRV's engine before going but still.

Anywho, what do you think of this setup. I just can't "force" myself to use 5W-20 oil and I heard Honda's OEM filters are Fram filters so....I use Mobil1 filter and oils. Also, since CRV is taking these short trips, besides letting the engine warm up for 2-3 minutes, any other advice? Oil or filter comments?


Thx

 

[thrace]

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I have a 2005 Accord LX Auto (4 cyl) and 2005 CRV LX (4x4) [my and wife's].

Honda says use Honda OEM filters and 5W-20 oil. I use Mobil1 Filter (M1-110) and Mobil 5w30 full synthetic with 5,000 miles changes.

I drive the Accord mostly on highway trips 15+ miles one way. However,my wife's CRV gets a bit more "abuse" as it is used more for short trips to Shoprite - 2 miles back and forth. She does warm up the CRV's engine before going but still.

Anywho, what do you think of this setup. I just can't "force" myself to use 5W-20 oil and I heard Honda's OEM filters are Fram filters so....I use Mobil1 filter and oils. Also, since CRV is taking these short trips, besides letting the engine warm up for 2-3 minutes, any other advice? Oil or filter comments?

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Sounds good. Beware of oil leaks at the oil filter of the CRV. There was a problem with leaks dripping on the exhaust causing fires, especially if the gasket stuck and caused a double gasket situation. In any case, if you have automatic transmissions, the transmission is more likely to have problems than the engine.
Some recent models have an oil life monitor. As to the 5w-20 v. 5w30 question, there are hundreds of posts here. It should make no difference. The change to 5w-20 was mainly for fuel economy reasons. There are good oil analysis reports for 5w-20 and 5w30. Even though Honda has not faced a financial penalty from the U.S. Government about worse than required CAFE fuel economy, it can borrow from the good years to make up for future poor fuel economy years to avoid penalty.
As to the brand of filter, most Hondas are Fram. There are many brands that are better constructed, cost less, and can be easily obtained without paying dealer's too high prices. There is no way to prove either way which filters better with publically available data.
Once again, there are hundreds of posts on this topic.

[ January 28, 2006, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: thrace ]

 

[olefam]

Hello,
The wife and I bought our 2005 CR-V with auto trans in Sept. Nice car, but the 5 speed auto trans had some issues when it first came out. Honda claims to have resolved the problems when they introduced the 2004 model. Only time will tell if the trans has truly been made more durable. If you have an auto, Honda (FINALLY!!!) put in a replaceable in-line ATF filter for the 2005 model. I found mine sitting just below the radiator, covered by the plastic sheild attached to the front bumper. I'm not sure of the quality of this filter, but I will replace mine with a Magnefine at 30,000 miles based on the outstanding quality of the Magnefine.
I do not like the standard Fram filters. I have little faith in the quality of Honda's filter choices. I used a NAPA Gold (WIX) filter at 5000 miles and went with Mobil 1 5w-20 syn oil. If I lived in Ariz. or New Mexico, or some other hot part of the USA I might use 5w30. But here in Minn. I think the 5w-20 is OK, and maybe even worth an extra 1/2 mpg. As for the filter, I paid $7.00 for it and will probably use a Purolator in the future as it filters as well but I can get them for $2.00 - $3.00 less than the NAPAs.
Enjoy the vehicles.
Glen

 

[STSinNYC]

You can still find the Filtech Honda OEM oil filtres if you hunt around. I use the Honda OEM PCX-004 filter on our Accord. Made by Toyo Roki in Japan (specced for the S2000). Costs about $2 more; its a very well regarded filter.

I replied to you in the other forum re oil choice. You can be comfortable running any good 5W20 in both your Hondas, or the 5W30. Let the facts reassure you. There are many excellent Honda UOAs with 5W20 oils. The shorter the run, the more important the cold pumping factor.

Since you mentioned the trans...DO NOT use any ATF except the Honda ATF-Z1. There are a number of good reasons for this, discussed elsewhere. You are welcome to PM if you want to discuss further.

 

[magaoidh2]

For the 2005 Accord I would recommend the Baldwin PART NUMBER: B1402
Descriptions : Microlite Lube Spin-on
Contains : Anti-Drainback Valve
14 PSI By-Pass Valve
Fits : Dodge, Eagle, Ford, Infiniti, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Plymouth Automotive
Replaces : Chrysler MD135737; Ford F32Z-6731-A; Mazda JEYO-14-302; Nissan 15208-31U00
Thread : M20 x 1.5
O.D. : 2 21/32 (67.5)
Length : 3 1/2 (88.9)
There is also a longer version, if you have the room:Thread : M20 x 1.5 O.D. : 2 21/32 (67.5) Length : 4 (101.6)
As for the CR-V, it uses that same Baldwin filter: B1402

 

[Accord2005NJ]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the response.

OLEFAM - does 2005 Accord Auto also has ATF filter? I know you mentioned 2005 Auto CRV does, but does Accord?

As for me, I finally decided to go with (German)Castrol Syntec 0w30 with Mobil 1 filter and 5,000 miles OCI in both cars. I just switched from Mobil 1 to GC in CRV and noticed better cold starts.

As for ATF - I know Honda's transmissions need Honda's ATF. What I do is "drain and fill" after first 10,000 miles and then every 20,000 miles thereafter. I changed the engine air filter every 10,000 miles and PCV filter every 20,000 miles. I need these cars to run as trouble-free as possible.

Thx

 

[thrace]

The 05 Accord 4cyl at has a transmission filter but it might not be user replaceable and might not be described in the service manual.

25430-PLR-003 FILTER (ATF)

Look at san leandro honda parts or majestic honda parts under transmission,
AT OIL LEVEL GAUGE-ATF PIPE (L4)

As always, confirm with the parts dept. whether this is really the part for you.

 

[olefam]

Accord2005NJ, I don't know if the Accord has the ATF filter. Thrace is right that many, many Hondas with autos were built with non-replacable screens buried in the bowels of the transmission. But Honda had a major (expensive!!!) recall on their newly designed 5speed autos due to poor engineering. Every 5 speed auto they had to replace came with an in-line atf filter for the dealership to install. Then in '05 they started including them with the vehicles (CR-Vs anyway)from new. My guess is that your Accord has one as well. And again, Thrace is correct that an in-line ATF filter, if came with your vehicle, may not show up in your owners manual or even a non-Honda service manual. Believe it or not, I had to show my local Honda service manager the page and diagram of the filter in the CR-V. He was unaware that Honda had started including them over a year earlier. Also didn't know how often they should be changed. He was a real wealth of information!?!? The point is, your llcal Honda dealer may not know if you do or don't have a replaceable in-line filter on your Accord.
I bought my Honda Factory Service manual for the CR-V on ebay. Best $50.00 I have spent on the car so far. May I respectfully suggest you consider doing the same. My experience is that Honda service departments are not encouraged to be helpful to owners who want to maintain the cars themselves. Hopefully, your experiences with Honda have been better than mine.
Best wishes,
Glen

 

[Accord2005NJ]

Hi OLEFAM (and others).

Thanks for the info. I already have 2005 Accord Manual and I will buy, *** willing, the one for CRV as well. My "instinct" is to change the ATF filter every 30,000 miles.

Is it difficult to chang? I mean, did the dealer know how to do it (after seeing diagram)?

Thx

 

[SpitIX]

Honda says use Honda OEM filters and 5W-20 oil. I use Mobil1 Filter (M1-110) and Mobil 5w30 full synthetic with 5,000 miles changes.
However,my wife's CRV gets a bit more "abuse" as it is used more for short trips to Shoprite - 2 miles back and forth. She does warm up the CRV's engine before going but still.
Anywho, what do you think of this setup. I just can't "force" myself to use 5W-20 oil and I heard Honda's OEM filters are Fram filters so....I use Mobil1 filter and oils. Also, since CRV is taking these short trips, besides letting the engine warm up for 2-3 minutes, any other advice? Oil or filter comments?

We're on our third CR-V, a 2005 LX Auto.
I use the "PCX" Honda OEM filter and Pennzoil 5W-20 oil and change it and the filter every 5000 miles. The Wix #51344 filter will fit as well and is a little bigger than the OEM filter so you have to add a tad more oil to get to the full mark on the dipstick.
The "catching-on-fire" chatter you hear is of no concern if you make sure that the gasket from the old filter does not stick to the filter mounting flange. This is very easy to check. If the old filter still has the gasket on it when you remove it then it's NOT stuck to the flange. This also applies to any engine that uses a spin-on filter.
Thanks.

 

[thrace]

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The "catching-on-fire" chatter you hear is of no concern if you make sure that the gasket from the old filter does not stick to the filter mounting flange.

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Actually, the CRV has a greater risk of fire compared to some others because oil leaks from an improperly installed filter tends to fall on the exhaust system. Not all oil filter leaks in other cars reach the exhaust. "Catching-on-fire" is not of no concern because it is still possible to install the filter improperly such as too tight or too loose so that a leak could happen even if there is not a double gasket situation. Just another reason to be careful.

 

[Accord2005NJ]

Hi All,

Yes, I heard about CRV gasket issues. Apparently the mix (rubber mix) in the gaskets was improper and that led to them sticking and separating from the filter. I always check anyhow but I do appreciate advice.

 

[flyboy4947]

I use Mobil 1 5W20 and would not use anything thicker, hvae 85,000 on it, 5K intervals, no oil burn, great oil analysis reports, use Honda or Purelator oil filters, they work fine, 0W30 Castrol is way heavier then this engine needs, itwill just cost you mileage, I use that oil in my Audi 1.8 Turbo, its fine for it but too heavy for the Honda unless you are living where it is over 100 degrees all the time

 

[boostn]

Does anyone know if the 06 civic has a filter for the autos as well?

 

[Chris Meutsch]

Wow, news to me on the ATF filter for the '05 CRV as I have one. I know my '01 Civic has a screen buried inside, so all I can do is drain/refill 3 times to get all the old stuff out. Did that at 31k with Amsoil ATF, still working perfectly. Will change again at 91k per Amsoil's warranty. I then will go to every 30-45k changes for my sanity and because the transmission will be over 100k by then. (Plus I got the title for it 3 days ago and want to keep it for a long time!)
Where does one get this CR-V AT filter? I'll be swapping out the Z-1 on it at 30k and replacing with the Amsoil ATF.
FWIW, I use Amsoil 0w30 on both cars. With the CR-V being brand new, it's not using any oil currently and will only see 10-11k at very most this year. The Civic is business/highway mostly and sees about 20-22k yearly, and uses about 1-1.5 quarts a year now between changes. I 'may' go to either Amsoil's 5w20 or PP 0w20 and run 7500 mile intervals.
I REALLY want a 2006 Accord with the new rear-end design, but with a free car still running fine, I don't see it happening.