10w30 Diesel Oil

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I am giving the Fleet Farm Mystik 10W-30 a try on my next change. I was able to score it on sale for ~$8.50 per gallon (in two gallon jusgs).
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Originally Posted By: Goldsburg
I am giving the Fleet Farm Mystik 10W-30 a try on my next change. I was able to score it on sale for ~$8.50 per gallon (in two gallon jusgs).
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I think you'll be very impressed. I'll be very interested in seeing a UOA on this. It is a very viable fluid and at quite a decent price.
 
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: Goldsburg
I am giving the Fleet Farm Mystik 10W-30 a try on my next change. I was able to score it on sale for ~$8.50 per gallon (in two gallon jusgs).
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I think you'll be very impressed. I'll be very interested in seeing a UOA on this. It is a very viable fluid and at quite a decent price.

I agree.. on "cart sale days" ( whatever fits in the cart is discounted) I can get it for just under 14.00 a gallon.
 
Brad Penn oil is a decent product, and you'll probably be very happy with it. Especially for that price!

Please run some UOAs and let us know how it goes!
 
Originally Posted By: turbowhistle
In preparation for my upcoming winter oil change, I was at an auto parts store hoping to find 10w30 diesel oil for my 7.3 PSD and of course all that was available was 15w40. I asked the counter man if there was any 10w30 available and he looked at me like I was speaking another language. He then went on to say he had straight 30 weight for winter use. I sad to him no one would run straight 30 weight in the winter. He looked at me like I was nuts. Hopefully, he doesn't have a diesel pick up. LOL


Old Detroits run straight 30 (or sometimes 20W-20) in the winter. Do not ever use multiweight oil in a 2-stroke Detroit!
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle


Old Detroits run straight 30 (or sometimes 20W-20) in the winter. Do not ever use multiweight oil in a 2-stroke Detroit!


Yes but a two cycle Detroit and a 7.3 PSD and it is HEUI injection system couldn't be more different. You need a multi-weight oil in a 7.3...unless you live on the sun.
 
I am well aware of that...but I wonder if the guy at the store was an old guy who grew up with Detroits.

Having said THAT, a 7.3 PSD will work fine on regular ProLine or Wal-Mart 15W-40 down to -15. Been there and done that.
 
I figured someone who swapped a 12v in a 79 ford would know that.
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By the by that sounds that it was a awesome project!

Iirc the early 6.9 internationals spec'd a 30wt fluid too so he could be thinking of that as well.
 
I can attest that the 6.9's spec'ed 10W30. Still running it in the '86 I bought almost new. I have run 15W40 in it at different times over the years before I learned a bit more about oil. The engine has an oil-to water oil cooler and runs very stable oil temperatures in 180-190 F range. That makes me pretty confident running 10W30 HDEO in it. Some years back I tested the hot oil pressure with 15W40 vs 10W30 and the 40 grade ran about 5 psi higher at idle. My readings at higher speeds were anomalous. I thought at the time it was because of my funky temporary gauge setup but now I think the lube system may have been in relief above 2200 rpm with 15W40. I recently overhauled this engine (mostly upper end head work) and after it breaks in fully, I may do some more testing on this. Here's the viscosity chart from the original owners manual.

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Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I actually bought the truck converted, but yeah, it's awesome! (Especially the 21MPG.)


I love the late 70s Fords...they look so BA!

I see your in New England, mind if I ask where? I am down in Walpole, Mass.
 
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
I can attest that the 6.9's spec'ed 10W30. Still running it in the '86 I bought almost new. I have run 15W40 in it at different times over the years before I learned a bit more about oil. The engine has an oil-to water oil cooler and runs very stable oil temperatures in 180-190 F range. That makes me pretty confident running 10W30 HDEO in it. Some years back I tested the hot oil pressure with 15W40 vs 10W30 and the 40 grade ran about 5 psi higher at idle. My readings at higher speeds were anomalous. I thought at the time it was because of my funky temporary gauge setup but now I think the lube system may have been in relief above 2200 rpm with 15W40. I recently overhauled this engine (mostly upper end head work) and after it breaks in fully, I may do some more testing on this. Here's the viscosity chart from the original owners manual.

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Good info.

Interesting; SF/CC. Boy - that's a ways back, isn't it? 10w-30 or 10w-40, unless it's below zero (5w-30).

Most of those old IDIs are still running decently. Even on "thin" CC oils when they started. As time progressed, the oils get better and better.

Just more proof that consistent OCIs and using spec'd fluids will help equipment last a long, long time.
 
I'll bet 90 percent of the people that owned and still own them use 15W40, though. In the late '80s/early '90s, the 15W40 HDEO was a better oil than the SF/CC stuff recommended by the factory. I think Rotella was at least SG/CE by them. The first time I really looked hard at a diesel API roundel and investigated what it meant was CF ('93 IIRC). Looking back at my maintenance records, I used a Pennzoil 10W30 from '87-ish to about '92 and then switched to 15W40 Rotella for a number of years until I found a regular supply of 10W30 RT.
 
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
I'll bet 90 percent of the people that owned and still own them use 15W40, though. In the late '80s/early '90s, the 15W40 HDEO was a better oil than the SF/CC stuff recommended by the factory. I think Rotella was at least SG/CE by them. The first time I really looked hard at a diesel API roundel and investigated what it meant was CF ('93 IIRC). Looking back at my maintenance records, I used a Pennzoil 10W30 from '87-ish to about '92 and then switched to 15W40 Rotella for a number of years until I found a regular supply of 10W30 RT.
So were there any changes in fuel economy when using the 15W40 versus the 10W30, considering the many times back and forth from each grade and also long enough runs on each grade ?
If no differences, would you attribute this to the fact that above 2200 RPM with the 15W40, the filter was in bypass hence allowing more oil flow than via the filter element ?
 
Originally Posted By: fpracha
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
I'll bet 90 percent of the people that owned and still own them use 15W40, though. In the late '80s/early '90s, the 15W40 HDEO was a better oil than the SF/CC stuff recommended by the factory. I think Rotella was at least SG/CE by them. The first time I really looked hard at a diesel API roundel and investigated what it meant was CF ('93 IIRC). Looking back at my maintenance records, I used a Pennzoil 10W30 from '87-ish to about '92 and then switched to 15W40 Rotella for a number of years until I found a regular supply of 10W30 RT.
So were there any changes in fuel economy when using the 15W40 versus the 10W30, considering the many times back and forth from each grade and also long enough runs on each grade ?
If no differences, would you attribute this to the fact that above 2200 RPM with the 15W40, the filter was in bypass hence allowing more oil flow than via the filter element ?




I think any mpg fluctuation would be minute,if any at all.
 
Originally Posted By: fpracha
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
I'll bet 90 percent of the people that owned and still own them use 15W40, though. In the late '80s/early '90s, the 15W40 HDEO was a better oil than the SF/CC stuff recommended by the factory. I think Rotella was at least SG/CE by them. The first time I really looked hard at a diesel API roundel and investigated what it meant was CF ('93 IIRC). Looking back at my maintenance records, I used a Pennzoil 10W30 from '87-ish to about '92 and then switched to 15W40 Rotella for a number of years until I found a regular supply of 10W30 RT.
So were there any changes in fuel economy when using the 15W40 versus the 10W30, considering the many times back and forth from each grade and also long enough runs on each grade ?
If no differences, would you attribute this to the fact that above 2200 RPM with the 15W40, the filter was in bypass hence allowing more oil flow than via the filter element ?


Good question but I don't have an accurate answer. During that period, the truck was primarily a tow vehicle. In snapshots since then, I would have to say that I can't see a difference. The difference I do see is in cold starts when the truck isn't plugged in (normally I plug the truck in). In my experience, the bigger the engine, the harder it is to measure viscosity related mpg changes. Also, because the engine has an oil to water oil cooler, the oil gets up to temp rapidly, so it might be an engine that would show viscosity-related mpg loss less than others (the warmup phase is where viscosity related parasitical losses are most extreme, so short-hopped engines will suffer more and long run engines less.)

The oil pressure deal remains a mystery to be solved. Anything I say now is just speculation until and unless I install a gauge again and do some investigating. During the overhaul, I changed one end of the oil cooler (like an idiot, during the overhaul I dropped it... it's cast aluminum... it broke and I was lucky to find a NOS replacement for about $200). That part has the filter mount and oil pressure relief valve.

Interestingly, when I tore the engine down, the lower end was perfect and perfectly clean. I had access to an engineer, bearing specialist, at Federal Mogul and had him "read" the bearings. While there was some evidence of cavitation, he pronounced I should reuse the bearings. I didn't, but could have. He suspected the cavitation was due to my engine having an aftermarket turbocharger on it (it was built naturally aspirated) for most of it's life. Nothing needed on the crankshaft or oil pump either. Small end rod bushings miked good. Cylinders had no more than about 0.001" taper on the worst one, so I didn't bore either. The valves and heads were an awful mess. Too much High EGT towing, dyno runs, etc.
 
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