Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI?

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#2402928 - 10/11/11 12:51 PM Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI?
zoli Registered: 05/22/11 Posts: 151 Loc: Hungary	Hi Guys, I'm looking for much data about this oil. All I found is quite 'weak'. _________________________ MY98 SAAB 9-5 LPT ECO SE B205E * 235K+ miles Synthetic 0/5W-40, Mann O/F, 5K miles OCI
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#2402937 - 10/11/11 12:55 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: zoli]
Quattro Pete Registered: 10/30/02 Posts: 19804 Loc: Illinoistan	I can't access the document you linked to. But as far as I know, this is the same oil as Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5w-40 which we have over here. You should be able to google its specs. What sort of data are you looking for exactly? _________________________ '02 530i (PU 5W-40) '08 C300 4Matic (M1 0W-40) '08 Vulcan 500 LTD (SRT 15W-40)
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#2402949 - 10/11/11 01:08 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
OpelFever Registered: 02/13/10 Posts: 141 Loc: Finland	Apparently there are two products but I cant find much difference: Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40 Shell Helix HX8 5w-40 I found this on the HX8: http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140003280402_20090902230_3.pdf According to widmans calculator teh VI should be 180. No idea on the TBN. _________________________ 2000 Toyota Corolla 1.6 VVT-i (Mobil 1 0w-40) 1984 Honda CRX 1.5 (Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40)
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#2402972 - 10/11/11 01:25 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
zoli Registered: 05/22/11 Posts: 151 Loc: Hungary	Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete What sort of data are you looking for exactly? Sorry if doesn't work - could you re-try to open it, please? I'm interested in TBN, viscosity index, sulfated ash. Probably, should be great to see a VOA. _________________________ MY98 SAAB 9-5 LPT ECO SE B205E * 235K+ miles Synthetic 0/5W-40, Mann O/F, 5K miles OCI
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#2402976 - 10/11/11 01:26 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: OpelFever]
zoli Registered: 05/22/11 Posts: 151 Loc: Hungary	Originally Posted By: OpelFever According to widmans calculator teh VI should be 180. No idea on the TBN. Thx! I will look for further posts. _________________________ MY98 SAAB 9-5 LPT ECO SE B205E * 235K+ miles Synthetic 0/5W-40, Mann O/F, 5K miles OCI
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#2403036 - 10/11/11 02:09 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: zoli]
Quattro Pete Registered: 10/30/02 Posts: 19804 Loc: Illinoistan	Originally Posted By: zoli Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete What sort of data are you looking for exactly? Sorry if doesn't work - could you re-try to open it, please? I'm interested in TBN, viscosity index, sulfated ash. Probably, should be great to see a VOA. OK, I can see it now. Thanks! The specs appear to be identical to Pennzoil Ultra 5w-40. See here: http://www.pennzoil.com/documents/PENNZOILULTRAEuropean5W40.pdf According to the VOA I did, TBN was 10.4, although I it may have been an older version of the product... http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2100590#Post2100590 We can always use another VOA if you're volunteering. _________________________ '02 530i (PU 5W-40) '08 C300 4Matic (M1 0W-40) '08 Vulcan 500 LTD (SRT 15W-40)
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#2403078 - 10/11/11 02:42 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
zoli Registered: 05/22/11 Posts: 151 Loc: Hungary	Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete ... According to the VOA I did, TBN was 10.4, although I it may have been an older version of the product... http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2100590#Post2100590 Exactly this is I was looking for - Now my comparative sheet is better. Edited by zoli (10/11/11 02:42 PM) _________________________ MY98 SAAB 9-5 LPT ECO SE B205E * 235K+ miles Synthetic 0/5W-40, Mann O/F, 5K miles OCI
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#2403096 - 10/11/11 02:58 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: zoli]
Quattro Pete Registered: 10/30/02 Posts: 19804 Loc: Illinoistan	Originally Posted By: zoli Now my comparative sheet is better. Looks like your M1 0w-40 specs are a bit out of date. _________________________ '02 530i (PU 5W-40) '08 C300 4Matic (M1 0W-40) '08 Vulcan 500 LTD (SRT 15W-40)
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#2403097 - 10/11/11 03:02 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
zoli Registered: 05/22/11 Posts: 151 Loc: Hungary	Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete Looks like your M1 0w-40 specs are a bit out of date. Could you update me, please? _________________________ MY98 SAAB 9-5 LPT ECO SE B205E * 235K+ miles Synthetic 0/5W-40, Mann O/F, 5K miles OCI
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#2403098 - 10/11/11 03:04 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: zoli]
Quattro Pete Registered: 10/30/02 Posts: 19804 Loc: Illinoistan	Originally Posted By: zoli Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete Looks like your M1 0w-40 specs are a bit out of date. Could you update me, please? http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.aspx _________________________ '02 530i (PU 5W-40) '08 C300 4Matic (M1 0W-40) '08 Vulcan 500 LTD (SRT 15W-40)
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#2403522 - 10/11/11 11:20 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
zoli Registered: 05/22/11 Posts: 151 Loc: Hungary	Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.aspx Excel sheet is updated: seems to me in the new spec there is slightly higher viscosity number at 100°C, TBN and HTHS as well. Thx for it! _________________________ MY98 SAAB 9-5 LPT ECO SE B205E * 235K+ miles Synthetic 0/5W-40, Mann O/F, 5K miles OCI
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#2403636 - 10/12/11 07:43 AM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: zoli]
Quattro Pete Registered: 10/30/02 Posts: 19804 Loc: Illinoistan	Originally Posted By: zoli Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.aspx Excel sheet is updated: seems to me in the new spec there is slightly higher viscosity number at 100°C, TBN and HTHS as well. Thx for it! Actually, viscosity at 100C of the new M1 0w-40 has gone down from 14.3 to 13.5. It is now a light 40 weight. _________________________ '02 530i (PU 5W-40) '08 C300 4Matic (M1 0W-40) '08 Vulcan 500 LTD (SRT 15W-40)
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#2404051 - 10/12/11 01:42 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
BobFout Registered: 03/23/09 Posts: 2682 Loc: Indiana	Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete Originally Posted By: zoli Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.aspx Excel sheet is updated: seems to me in the new spec there is slightly higher viscosity number at 100°C, TBN and HTHS as well. Thx for it! Actually, viscosity at 100C of the new M1 0w-40 has gone down from 14.3 to 13.5. It is now a light 40 weight. And before that [14.3] was 14.0 cSt. Years ago I think it was 15 with an HTHS of 3.6? Now we're at 13.5 with 3.8. _________________________ 2003 VW Jetta TDI, tons o' mods with turbo upgrade. Red Line 0w40. Amsoil * Mobil 1 * Redline * Royal Purple * Castrol * Shell
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