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#2402928 - 10/11/11 12:51 PM Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI?
zoli Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 212
Loc: Hungary
Hi Guys,
I'm looking for much data about this oil.
All I found is quite 'weak'.
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'01 VOLVO S60 2t L5 A/T (Shell HU 5W40, Mann O/F, 5K OCI)
'98 SAAB 9-5 (M1 0W40 - retired)
'71 VW 1302 L (Castrol 15W40, 3K OCI - retired)


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#2402937 - 10/11/11 12:55 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: zoli]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 31648
Loc: Great Lakes
I can't access the document you linked to.

But as far as I know, this is the same oil as Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5w-40 which we have over here. You should be able to google its specs. What sort of data are you looking for exactly?
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#2402949 - 10/11/11 01:08 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
OpelFever Offline


Registered: 02/13/10
Posts: 143
Loc: Finland
Apparently there are two products but I cant find much difference:

Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40
Shell Helix HX8 5w-40

I found this on the HX8:
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140003280402_20090902230_3.pdf

According to widmans calculator teh VI should be 180. No idea on the TBN.
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#2402972 - 10/11/11 01:25 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
zoli Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 212
Loc: Hungary
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
What sort of data are you looking for exactly?

Sorry if doesn't work - could you re-try to open it, please?
I'm interested in TBN, viscosity index, sulfated ash.
Probably, should be great to see a VOA.
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'01 VOLVO S60 2t L5 A/T (Shell HU 5W40, Mann O/F, 5K OCI)
'98 SAAB 9-5 (M1 0W40 - retired)
'71 VW 1302 L (Castrol 15W40, 3K OCI - retired)


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#2402976 - 10/11/11 01:26 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: OpelFever]
zoli Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 212
Loc: Hungary
Originally Posted By: OpelFever
According to widmans calculator teh VI should be 180. No idea on the TBN.

Thx! I will look for further posts.
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'01 VOLVO S60 2t L5 A/T (Shell HU 5W40, Mann O/F, 5K OCI)
'98 SAAB 9-5 (M1 0W40 - retired)
'71 VW 1302 L (Castrol 15W40, 3K OCI - retired)


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#2403036 - 10/11/11 02:09 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: zoli]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 31648
Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: zoli
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
What sort of data are you looking for exactly?

Sorry if doesn't work - could you re-try to open it, please?
I'm interested in TBN, viscosity index, sulfated ash.
Probably, should be great to see a VOA.

OK, I can see it now. Thanks! The specs appear to be identical to Pennzoil Ultra 5w-40. See here:
http://www.pennzoil.com/documents/PENNZOILULTRAEuropean5W40.pdf

According to the VOA I did, TBN was 10.4, although I it may have been an older version of the product...
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2100590#Post2100590

We can always use another VOA if you're volunteering. smile
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#2403078 - 10/11/11 02:42 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
zoli Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 212
Loc: Hungary
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
... According to the VOA I did, TBN was 10.4, although I it may have been an older version of the product...
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2100590#Post2100590

Exactly this is I was looking for - thumbsup
Now my comparative sheet is better.


Edited by zoli (10/11/11 02:42 PM)
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'98 SAAB 9-5 (M1 0W40 - retired)
'71 VW 1302 L (Castrol 15W40, 3K OCI - retired)


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#2403096 - 10/11/11 02:58 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: zoli]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: zoli

Now my comparative sheet is better.

Looks like your M1 0w-40 specs are a bit out of date. smile
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#2403097 - 10/11/11 03:02 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
zoli Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 212
Loc: Hungary
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

Looks like your M1 0w-40 specs are a bit out of date. smile

Could you update me, please?
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'01 VOLVO S60 2t L5 A/T (Shell HU 5W40, Mann O/F, 5K OCI)
'98 SAAB 9-5 (M1 0W40 - retired)
'71 VW 1302 L (Castrol 15W40, 3K OCI - retired)


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#2403098 - 10/11/11 03:04 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: zoli]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: zoli
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

Looks like your M1 0w-40 specs are a bit out of date. smile

Could you update me, please?

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.aspx
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#2403522 - 10/11/11 11:20 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
zoli Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 212
Loc: Hungary

Excel sheet is updated: seems to me in the new spec there is slightly higher viscosity number at 100C, TBN and HTHS as well.
Thx for it!
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'01 VOLVO S60 2t L5 A/T (Shell HU 5W40, Mann O/F, 5K OCI)
'98 SAAB 9-5 (M1 0W40 - retired)
'71 VW 1302 L (Castrol 15W40, 3K OCI - retired)


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#2403636 - 10/12/11 07:43 AM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: zoli]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 31648
Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: zoli

Excel sheet is updated: seems to me in the new spec there is slightly higher viscosity number at 100C, TBN and HTHS as well.
Thx for it!

Actually, viscosity at 100C of the new M1 0w-40 has gone down from 14.3 to 13.5. It is now a light 40 weight. smile
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#2404051 - 10/12/11 01:42 PM Re: Shell Helix Ultra (HX8) 5W-40: TBN? VI? [Re: Quattro Pete]
BobFout Offline


Registered: 03/23/09
Posts: 2926
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: zoli

Excel sheet is updated: seems to me in the new spec there is slightly higher viscosity number at 100C, TBN and HTHS as well.
Thx for it!

Actually, viscosity at 100C of the new M1 0w-40 has gone down from 14.3 to 13.5. It is now a light 40 weight. smile


And before that [14.3] was 14.0 cSt. Years ago I think it was 15 with an HTHS of 3.6? Now we're at 13.5 with 3.8.
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