New M1 0w40 availability
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Wasn't even aware it was tweaked...
Originally Posted By: dparm
Wasn't even aware it was tweaked...
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.aspx
Wasn't even aware it was tweaked...
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.aspx
How is a link to the PDS useful unless you also link to an older version of it? I doubt dparm has it committed to memory.
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Looks like the HTHS is unchanged. Did the MSDS change?
I'd like to see the old MSDS. Might point to new ZDDP concentration or a change in PAO content.
Curious that it's still SM.
Curious that it's still SM.
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Like I said in an earlier post,I bet they changed their formulas for the better. When I went back to M1 15W50,it made my engine absolutely purr like a newborn kitten ;^) Wonder what it is? Better basestocks? Better additives? It`s definitely improved.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
HTHS is up slightly. I believe it was 3.6 or 3.7 before.
I've seen old posts which say 3.7 on other forums. I guess M1 had to formulate their 0w-40 to meet GF-5?
HTHS is up slightly. I believe it was 3.6 or 3.7 before.
I've seen old posts which say 3.7 on other forums. I guess M1 had to formulate their 0w-40 to meet GF-5?
Does it say anywhere that it meets or exceeds ILSAC GF-5?
Old M1 0w40
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40º C 78.3
cSt @ 100º C 14
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.2
Phosphorous 0.1
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 230
Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.85
Total Base Number (TBN) 11.3
MRV at -40ºC 26242
Viscosity Index 186
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC, ASTM D 4683 3.7
New M1 0w40
Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
@ 40º C 75
@ 100º C 13.5
Viscosity Index 185
MRV at -40ºC, cP (ASTM D4684) 31,000
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC, (ASTM D4683) 3.8
Total Base Number (ASTM D2896) 11.8
Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 1.3
Phosphorous, wt% (ASTM D4981) 0.1
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 230
Density @15.6 ºC, g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.85
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40º C 78.3
cSt @ 100º C 14
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.2
Phosphorous 0.1
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 230
Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.85
Total Base Number (TBN) 11.3
MRV at -40ºC 26242
Viscosity Index 186
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC, ASTM D 4683 3.7
New M1 0w40
Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
@ 40º C 75
@ 100º C 13.5
Viscosity Index 185
MRV at -40ºC, cP (ASTM D4684) 31,000
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC, (ASTM D4683) 3.8
Total Base Number (ASTM D2896) 11.8
Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 1.3
Phosphorous, wt% (ASTM D4981) 0.1
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 230
Density @15.6 ºC, g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.85
Oldest M1 0w-40 specs, same as older US SL version (and still listed on Canadian M1 site as SM - http://www.mobil.com/Canada-English-LCW/motoroils_products_mobil-1_0w40.aspx#)
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 80
cSt @ 100ºC 14.3
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 187
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.2
HTHS Viscosity, mPa-s @ 150ºC, ASTM D 4683 3.6
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -54
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 236
Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.855
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 80
cSt @ 100ºC 14.3
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 187
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.2
HTHS Viscosity, mPa-s @ 150ºC, ASTM D 4683 3.6
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -54
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 236
Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.855
Hope that its UOAs look good.
Like anything, once the warehouse/store inventory disappears, you'll probably see a new bottle design or a label change.
If there is new additive technology, you don't want you assembly line to have choices. Blend all your oils with the newest additives and base oils. They don't necessarily need to change any of the performance specs. 0w40 doesn't need to be GF5/SN. With 1000ppm of the GF5/SN's additive package, it won't meet the 800ppm Ph limit of SN/SM. I see that its still an SL!
I wonder how well the new GF5/SN additives work compare to older technologies. I do hope that the boutique manufacturers adapt to it quickly. I think 1200ppm of HyperZDP in my ol' pushrod non-roller 351m sludger would be just great.
I'll wager that it'll perform just as well or better.
Like anything, once the warehouse/store inventory disappears, you'll probably see a new bottle design or a label change.
If there is new additive technology, you don't want you assembly line to have choices. Blend all your oils with the newest additives and base oils. They don't necessarily need to change any of the performance specs. 0w40 doesn't need to be GF5/SN. With 1000ppm of the GF5/SN's additive package, it won't meet the 800ppm Ph limit of SN/SM. I see that its still an SL!
I wonder how well the new GF5/SN additives work compare to older technologies. I do hope that the boutique manufacturers adapt to it quickly. I think 1200ppm of HyperZDP in my ol' pushrod non-roller 351m sludger would be just great.
I'll wager that it'll perform just as well or better.
Originally Posted By: unDummy
Hope that its UOAs look good.
Like anything, once the warehouse/store inventory disappears, you'll probably see a new bottle design or a label change.
If there is new additive technology, you don't want you assembly line to have choices. Blend all your oils with the newest additives and base oils. They don't necessarily need to change any of the performance specs. 0w40 doesn't need to be GF5/SN. With 1000ppm of the GF5/SN's additive package, it won't meet the 800ppm Ph limit of SN/SM. I see that its still an SL!
I wonder how well the new GF5/SN additives work compare to older technologies. I do hope that the boutique manufacturers adapt to it quickly. I think 1200ppm of HyperZDP in my ol' pushrod non-roller 351m sludger would be just great.
I'll wager that it'll perform just as well or better.
M1 0w40 has been SM for a while. It's not limited in ZDDP content like the energy conserving oils are.
Here's the nominal additive levels:
http://www.mobil.com/usa-english/motoroil/files/mobil_1_product_guide.pdf
Hope that its UOAs look good.
Like anything, once the warehouse/store inventory disappears, you'll probably see a new bottle design or a label change.
If there is new additive technology, you don't want you assembly line to have choices. Blend all your oils with the newest additives and base oils. They don't necessarily need to change any of the performance specs. 0w40 doesn't need to be GF5/SN. With 1000ppm of the GF5/SN's additive package, it won't meet the 800ppm Ph limit of SN/SM. I see that its still an SL!
I wonder how well the new GF5/SN additives work compare to older technologies. I do hope that the boutique manufacturers adapt to it quickly. I think 1200ppm of HyperZDP in my ol' pushrod non-roller 351m sludger would be just great.
I'll wager that it'll perform just as well or better.
M1 0w40 has been SM for a while. It's not limited in ZDDP content like the energy conserving oils are.
Here's the nominal additive levels:
http://www.mobil.com/usa-english/motoroil/files/mobil_1_product_guide.pdf
The higher HTHS and MRV viscosities means this is a somewhat heavier oil across the board.
The lower KV40 and KV100 spec's would lead one to conclude the use of better quality base stocks and/or less or better quality VII's.
The lower KV40 and KV100 spec's would lead one to conclude the use of better quality base stocks and/or less or better quality VII's.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The higher HTHS and MRV viscosities means this is a somewhat heavier oil across the board.
The lower KV40 and KV100 spec's would lead one to conclude the use of better quality base stocks and/or less or better quality VII's.
I assume this is the first M1 0w40 to use the new VISOM Group III+ basestock. M1 TDT 5w40 was recently reformulate too, a bit thinner, I figure the same thing there.
The higher HTHS and MRV viscosities means this is a somewhat heavier oil across the board.
The lower KV40 and KV100 spec's would lead one to conclude the use of better quality base stocks and/or less or better quality VII's.
I assume this is the first M1 0w40 to use the new VISOM Group III+ basestock. M1 TDT 5w40 was recently reformulate too, a bit thinner, I figure the same thing there.
Sorry, but weight is a cop out for API/ILSAC and not a defense for 0w40 which is an SL or really an SM cheater.
0w40 Mobil-1 commonly shears to a 30 weight. Calling it a 40wt to get above the .08 and using .1 IMO, makes it still an SL.
Either blend it to .08, or make it hold its viscosity, and then call it an SM.
0w40 GF4 is an SM-cheater or pseudo-SM! Guaranteed to shear to a 0w30 and get away with .1/.11 zdp even though ALL other 30wts have to be .08!
0w40 Mobil-1 commonly shears to a 30 weight. Calling it a 40wt to get above the .08 and using .1 IMO, makes it still an SL.
Either blend it to .08, or make it hold its viscosity, and then call it an SM.
0w40 GF4 is an SM-cheater or pseudo-SM! Guaranteed to shear to a 0w30 and get away with .1/.11 zdp even though ALL other 30wts have to be .08!
Originally Posted By: unDummy
Sorry, but weight is a cop out for API/ILSAC and not a defense for 0w40 which is an SL or really an SM cheater.
0w40 Mobil-1 commonly shears to a 30 weight. Calling it a 40wt to get above the .08 and using .1 IMO, makes it still an SL.
Either blend it to .08, or make it hold its viscosity, and then call it an SM.
0w40 GF4 is an SM-cheater or pseudo-SM! Guaranteed to shear to a 0w30 and get away with .1/.11 zdp even though ALL other 30wts have to be .08!
All Euro oils are cheaters too, and so is Delvac 1 and TDT?
Sorry, but weight is a cop out for API/ILSAC and not a defense for 0w40 which is an SL or really an SM cheater.
0w40 Mobil-1 commonly shears to a 30 weight. Calling it a 40wt to get above the .08 and using .1 IMO, makes it still an SL.
Either blend it to .08, or make it hold its viscosity, and then call it an SM.
0w40 GF4 is an SM-cheater or pseudo-SM! Guaranteed to shear to a 0w30 and get away with .1/.11 zdp even though ALL other 30wts have to be .08!
All Euro oils are cheaters too, and so is Delvac 1 and TDT?
Originally Posted By: unDummy
0w40 GF4 is an SM-cheater or pseudo-SM! Guaranteed to shear to a 0w30 and get away with .1/.11 zdp even though ALL other 30wts have to be .08!
I don't believe M1 0w-40 has ever been a GF-4 oil.
0w40 GF4 is an SM-cheater or pseudo-SM! Guaranteed to shear to a 0w30 and get away with .1/.11 zdp even though ALL other 30wts have to be .08!
I don't believe M1 0w-40 has ever been a GF-4 oil.
I guess the question is how to tell this new formula from the previous one?
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