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#154142 - 09/16/05 02:28 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
BR549 Offline


Registered: 08/13/02
Posts: 218
Loc: Sedalia, Mo
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny:
The fellow up stairs does not have a clue what he is talking about. Pennzoil Group II+ and Group III base stocks are refined by Shell in Houston, Port Author, and Louisiana. As others have stated, the base stocks in Group II, Group II+, and Group III are clear as water. It is the additive packages that give them their color.

I've heard some crazy rumors over the years but this one is just plain stupid. I'm glad I'm getting ready for retirement.

Just promise you won't retire from BITOG!!!! [Big Grin]

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#154143 - 09/16/05 02:32 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
Johnny Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 14013
Loc: Retired | Wausau, WI
I respectively disagree with your uncle when it comes to Pennzoil. I can assure you that it is not re-refined oil. And I will not get in to a flame war with anyone over it.

BR549, I will continue with BITOG.

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#154144 - 09/16/05 02:37 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
dave1251 Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5865
Loc: Maricopa, AZ
I am glad Johnny will stay on! This topic is just funny. [LOL!]

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#154145 - 09/16/05 02:41 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
Johnny Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 14013
Loc: Retired | Wausau, WI
Let me say this. When you use the word Pennzoil, you are not just talking about engine oils. It might be possible that some of the industrial oils (hydraulic, cutting, etc.) would use re-refined base, but as I said above, the engines oils do not.

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#154146 - 09/16/05 02:47 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
drums57 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 254
Loc: richmond va
Pennzoil is not made from re-refined oil, it would be almost impossible to pass ILSAC GF-4 API SM using re-refined base stocks.

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#154147 - 09/16/05 02:55 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
dave1251 Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5865
Loc: Maricopa, AZ

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#154148 - 09/16/05 03:03 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
JohnnyLock Offline


Registered: 05/23/05
Posts: 51
Loc: Houston, Texas
I read somewhere that in north america a lot of oil companies believe that the american public likes their oil to be gold/amber in color(I think those are the same colors, my color vision is poor). Personally, I wouldn't care if I was buying motor oil with base stocks recycled from 10 year old McDonald's fryer grease as long as the product performed -- and Pennzoil does!! And I love the bright yellow bottle(I can see that!).

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#154149 - 09/16/05 03:09 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
drums57 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 254
Loc: richmond va
Dave it says ILSAC approved but it doesn't say ILSAC GF-4 approved, it could be gf 1. gf 2. It say API SM but that could mean it meets the protection requirments of API SM. I could not use this product in a car or truck that i just spent 35,000 dollars for.

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#154150 - 09/16/05 03:30 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
dave1251 Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5865
Loc: Maricopa, AZ
drums57 click on passager motor oil SL, SM. it says GF-4. I do agree with you I wont use the oil unless the manufacture clearly states in writing that this will not void the warrenty.

[ September 16, 2005, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: dave1251 ]

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#154151 - 09/16/05 03:49 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
drums57 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 254
Loc: richmond va
Dave you are correct it says GF-4, i never heard of this product. I can tell you this , a lot of goverment and state fleets require that they use re-refined engine oils,this co. may say that it is re-refined when it really is virgin crud who's going to test the oil to see if they are lying. I think it would cost more in additives to get a re-refined base oil to pass these test then it would to buy virgin crude and the approriate additive package.

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#154152 - 09/16/05 04:30 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
farrarfan1 Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 1491
Loc: Indiana
We've been using this exact stuff for many,many years in our fleet of patrol cars. Works just fine.

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#154153 - 09/16/05 04:39 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46408
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
ah the internet

quote:
A friend of mine who lives in the upstairs dorm from me used to work or still does, I'm not sure? at this oil change place. It wasn't a jiffy lube kinda deal but it was something along those lines.
Phew.......I thought you were gonna say he's an Amsoil dealer [Smile]

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#154154 - 09/16/05 04:56 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
Dad2leia Offline


Registered: 09/06/05
Posts: 1192
Loc: Glenshaw, PA
And people wonder why nobody knows nothing about no oil nohow...

So, now, basestock = colorless
additives= add color and necessary agents
color of oil = some degree of amber (unless other wise specified)

Have I missed anything here...oh yes:

Pennzoil = virgin base stocks [Bang Head]

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#154155 - 09/16/05 05:41 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
bruce381 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 3324
Loc: Millbrae, CA
quote:
Originally posted by drums57:
Dave you are correct it says GF-4, i never heard of this product. I can tell you this , a lot of goverment and state fleets require that they use re-refined engine oils,this co. may say that it is re-refined when it really is virgin crud who's going to test the oil to see if they are lying. I think it would cost more in additives to get a re-refined base oil to pass these test then it would to buy virgin crude and the approriate additive package.

Actually re refined oils now days are hydro treated and are close to a GPII in quality they require no additional cost to formulate a high quality GF-4 type oil.
bruce

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#154156 - 09/16/05 05:47 AM Re: Is Pennzoil recycled oil?
bruce381 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 3324
Loc: Millbrae, CA
quote:
Originally posted by HondaMan:
My uncle in Corpus Christi, Texas has worked for Valero since 1985. Valero is the nation's largest independent refiner.
They take on work from EVERYONE.
He has always told me that with the heavy oil crackers they have, Valero can refine or re-refine what no one else wants and then resell the product back at profit to the originator.

Flame away, but he has always maintained that most dino product on the shelf has been re-refined, including PZ.

Wrong Valero does not take in DRAIN oil and re refine it they may run some high sulfur crude or wet salty crude but NO drain oil and drain oil is what is re refined. he may run a cat cracker but that does not with all due respect make him a formulator or blender and to say that all PCMO's on the shelf are re refined is flat out stupid how does he know what I or anyone else use?????
I don't.

Bruce

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