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#1098961 - 03/04/08 08:13 PM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: Cooper]
NHHEMI Offline


Registered: 07/06/07
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 Originally Posted By: Cooper
Well, I would rather pay $3 a quart than $7 a quart, plus a preferred customer charge. Just seems like a waste for the Amsoil if I can get similar quality for less than half the cost.


$3 a qt conventional fluid will not be the same quality as $7-$10+ a qt premium synthetic fluid like RP, RL, Amsoil, etc... $3 a qt conventional fluid will be the same quality as other $3 a qt conventional fluids.

If you are going to do this every 10K as I believe you said then it doesn't make sense to run the synthetic I agree unless you want the increased performance vs the conventional fluid and you feel the extra $$$ is worth it. If not then stick with affordable dino ATF.

Pick whatever conventional name brand fluid you feel is best and use that. They( ie; the conventional $3 p/qt stuff )will all be about the same. I personally like Valvoline and Quaker State conventional ATF's. Synthetics it is RP and RL.

Sorry that isn't more specific but really $3 qt conventional ATF is pretty much all the same.

EDIT - 20K IMO then go to a synthetic. I would say RP or RL, Amsoil, or synthetic Valvoline if it is compatible with your tranny.


Edited by NHSilverado (03/04/08 08:15 PM)
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#1098971 - 03/04/08 08:24 PM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: NHHEMI]
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The Pennzoil is Synthetic Blend ATF.
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#1098972 - 03/04/08 08:25 PM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: Cooper]
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Okay, for some of the Amsoil guys.....

What would you recommend doing drain and refills mileage wise.

The transmission holds 9.8 quarts, and about 5 drains out with drain and refill.
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#1098977 - 03/04/08 08:28 PM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: Cooper]
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Registered: 07/05/07
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Loc: Ball, LA
 Originally Posted By: Cooper
I have used Pennzoil Multi-vehicle, and Amsoil ATF. Neither really feal any different to me. I thought the Amsoil felt different, but now I am not so sure. The transmission still shifts harsh between 1-2, but not too bad. What would you use?

I have all kinds of options available, but one think is for sure.

I want to drain and refill the tranny at 10k OCI's no matter what fluid it is. Any experiences? The tranny has 90k miles on it.

Here is what I am thinking....

Amsoil is a little too expensive...
Pennzoil Multi-vehicle is an option...don't know if it is best..maybe syn blend??? Friction modifiers?
Maxlife Dex/Merc is an option...also don't know how good.

I just need a little help deciding...



How many miles per year does the vehicle in question see?

Lot of highway miles? Stop and go everyday, short trips?
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#1098980 - 03/04/08 08:30 PM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: 02zx9r]
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A good mix of both. My work commute is about 30 miles one way, mostly highway, but I drive around my small town a lot and that is stop and go. So I would say, probably 70% highway 30% stop and go. I drive about 15k miles per year.
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#1099165 - 03/05/08 05:57 AM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: Cooper]
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Registered: 09/05/05
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Without Doubt, I would use Nissan's OEM Matic D Fluid ONLY.


Edited by virginoil (03/05/08 06:02 AM)
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#1099176 - 03/05/08 06:30 AM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: virginoil]
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One thing I am not....stupid.

There is nothing special about Matic D. It is basically just repackaged Dexron III. It is a conventional fluid that has shown to be absolutely horrible. Hense why Nissan has Matic J. This is a better fluid if I was going to stay OEM, which I am not.
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#1099187 - 03/05/08 07:06 AM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: Cooper]
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Registered: 05/25/05
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Cooper,
Im currently using Mobil 1 DexronIII/Mercon Full Synthetic (which no longer exist) and is now called Mobil 1 Mercon V Synthetic. I've had this in my '04 Altima 2.5 S automatic tranny since the summer of '06 and the tranny shifts no different than when new or no different than any other Altima that I have driven for that matter(meaning it's fine). I understand what you mean about the 1-2 shift but, I don't find it objectionable, just noticeable sometimes. The next time that I drain/refill, I probably move around a bit with all of the different fluids available today. Not sure what I'll try next. Probably wait to see what others are suggesting and go from there.
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#1099189 - 03/05/08 07:14 AM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: Cooper]
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Your choice.

I was told it is slightly different to Dexron III in that it has special additives/cleaners added to it to help keep clean, some extra sensitive internal components, so communication to ECU was not interfered with.

I got this from a couple of different Nissan's Parts dealers. I never followed up with Nissan formally.

Nissan propaganda ???. I am not going to debate your decision.

By the way, sorry if my response implied any disrepect, I was only trying to help, and just being clear in what I would do.


Edited by virginoil (03/05/08 07:16 AM)
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#1099232 - 03/05/08 08:50 AM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: Cooper]
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Registered: 09/20/03
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Loc: Austin, TX
 Originally Posted By: Cooper
There is nothing special about Matic D. It is basically just repackaged Dexron III


You are absolutely wrong on this, Matic D is NOT repackaged DexronIII, they are far apart when it comes to FM levels.

I know this very well becoz I have played with all kinds of fluids on my maxima and have determined that the present juice in my tranny i.e Castrol MV Import ATF is the one that seems to be best holding up. No banging into gear or shuddering.

That in itself holds truth to the fact that the OEM fluids though weak in base stocks do have something in them that make them quite unique. Their weak chemistry is overcome with the right FM levels leaving the fluid to remain potent for a longer period than non-speced fluids like DexronIII.
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#1099268 - 03/05/08 09:43 AM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: Cooper]
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 Originally Posted By: Cooper
The Pennzoil is Synthetic Blend ATF.


I retract this statement. Pennzoil Multi-vehicle ATF is no longer a syn blend. I just spoke to a Shell Oil Blender (engineer) and he confirmed this to me. He also stated that the website is now incorrect. This was not customer service I spoke to, but an actual engineering blender for Shell Oil.
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#1099425 - 03/05/08 12:58 PM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: Cooper]
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Registered: 08/30/04
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Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
 Originally Posted By: Cooper
 Originally Posted By: Cooper
The Pennzoil is Synthetic Blend ATF.


I retract this statement. Pennzoil Multi-vehicle ATF is no longer a syn blend. I just spoke to a Shell Oil Blender (engineer) and he confirmed this to me. He also stated that the website is now incorrect. This was not customer service I spoke to, but an actual engineering blender for Shell Oil.

What is it then?

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#1099427 - 03/05/08 01:02 PM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: The Critic]
Cooper Offline


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 Originally Posted By: The Critic
 Originally Posted By: Cooper
 Originally Posted By: Cooper
The Pennzoil is Synthetic Blend ATF.


I retract this statement. Pennzoil Multi-vehicle ATF is no longer a syn blend. I just spoke to a Shell Oil Blender (engineer) and he confirmed this to me. He also stated that the website is now incorrect. This was not customer service I spoke to, but an actual engineering blender for Shell Oil.

What is it then?


conventional.
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#1100345 - 03/06/08 06:50 PM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: Cooper]
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Registered: 02/01/03
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1-2 harsh Nissan shift is normal, even with fresh OE fluid.

Castrol Import or Pennzoil Multivehicle are good choice. Mercon-V should also be considered.
If you have more money, full synthetics like RP or M1 should be considered.

Nissan sells a tranny additive to help with the matic-D shift issue. Great fluid???? NOT!!!!! Try a bottle of lubegard with your current fill.
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#1100635 - 03/07/08 08:45 AM Re: Which ATF would you Choose to replace Matic D? [Re: unDummy]
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I personaly wouldn't call the 1-2 shifts harsh(but that's just me!). I'd just call it noticable. It feels normal to me depending on throttle input. Sometimes it's noticable and sometimes there's absolutly nothing at all,(SMOOOOOTH!)
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