Toto toilets?

Posted by: nickaluch

Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 06:53 PM

In need of a new toilet.Not happy with home depot or loews toilets.Thinking about going with a Toto toilet with the cyclone flush 1.28 gallons.Any feedback?
Posted by: satinsilver

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 06:57 PM

What's the matter with the ones at Home Depot and Lowes?
Posted by: bepperb

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 06:59 PM

I think you probably would be happy with the American Standard Champion 4 or Kohler Cimmeron which cost about the same as the Toto Drake and can be found at HD (or at least ordered there). But yes all are considerably better than the average 100 dollar toilet from a big box store.

When we moved in we replaced the builder grade toilets with Kohler and American standard and the difference is huge (if you have kids, maybe it doesn't matter for normal people) even though we went from 1.6 to 1.28 gallons per flush.
Posted by: nickaluch

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 07:01 PM

Not a fan of big box stores.Have a kohler I bought from home depot 4 years ago and all I do is plunge the thing.
Posted by: simple_gifts

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 07:09 PM

High volume flush toilets are a commonly smuggled item from the GWN.

Quote:

What's the matter with the ones at Home Depot and Lowes?


Driving there in the middle of the night is a real inconvenience.
Posted by: eljefino

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 07:29 PM

crackmeup ^
Posted by: Oldmoparguy1

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 07:31 PM

I bought a Kohler Cimmeron from Home Depot several years ago. Excellent unit. It has a duel flush feature also. Got a sale flier from HD the other day, that unit is on sale for under $200. The American Standard Champion is a few $$ less. I recommend the Kohler.

Wayne
Posted by: KD0AXS

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 07:32 PM

We have 3 Toto toilets, but they're 1.6 GPF. They seem to work well, never had any problems with them. They were in the house when we bought it, I assume they're original...house was built in 2004.
Posted by: BISCUT

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 07:43 PM

When I built my house my buddy (plumber and best friend) recommended I spend a little more for Toto. 10th year in the house and all is well. They have done what they are suppose to do. 4 kids from 2yr old to 12.
Posted by: yota4me

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 07:55 PM

I have a Toto & an American Standard Champion 4. The Toto frequently requires a plunger & after around 2-3 years requires holding flush lever down till bowl empties, otherwise it leaks continuously from tank.

The American Standard Champion 4 very rarely needs a plunger, otherwise no problems.
Posted by: artificialist

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 07:57 PM

Toto is awesome. Also, what is really amazing is that many of them are made in the USA.

Anyway, one reason I like them is because it seems the big box stores get brand name toilets that just barely pass a test of the dimensions. This includes ones that cost $200 or more.

I got a Mansfield Cascade elongated ADA height 1.28 for $200 at a local plumbing shop. At the time, mom couldn't afford anything more, but the Mansfield Cascade works well enough. It is put together precisely.

I also heard that the Gerber Viper and Avalanche 1.28 are a great value and found only at plumbing shops... But I got the Mansfield for less money.
Posted by: Fluids

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 08:00 PM

What's the difference between a regular toilet? Do you make really big [censored]? My builders toilet seems to work fine for me and I take fairly large [censored].
Posted by: artificialist

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Fluids
What's the difference between a regular toilet? Do you make really big [censored]? My builders toilet seems to work fine for me and I take fairly large [censored].

When was your generic builder toilet made? Old toilets that used 3.5 Gallons of water or more were often perfect. However, during the 1990s, a law required toilets to use 1.6 gallons of water or less. Many of those toilets were absolutely awful. Even many higher end 1.6 gallon toilets were awful, as well.

Not all 3.5+ Gallon toilets were great either. My mom's old house had ones that were as bad or worse than many early 1.6 gallon toilets.

Since I am not like Randy Marsh, I can't really say exactly how well a toilet works.
Posted by: ethangsmith

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 08:13 PM

Back when I was doing plumbing, my buddy and I had a job at a church that was doing a bathroom renovation. The one toilet was a Toto that was only a few years old. We asked them what their plans were for the uninstalled fixtures and they said they were going to throw them out. We saved them some dollars and took the Toto with us- straight to my house. I had a HORRIBLE American Standard one piece unit that couldn't even flush a ball of lint if it had to. It leaked incessantly and was very bad with water usage. I tossed that one out on the back porch, sledgehammered it to tiny bits, and then installed the Toto in its place. 5 years later the Toto is still working perfectly and has required very little maintenance!
Posted by: Nick R

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 08:19 PM

I want to import a Japanese toilet.

Why you ask?


THEY HAVE HEATED TOILET SEATS. WHY DO WE NOT HAVE THIS YET!? Some even play music or white noise.
Posted by: artificialist

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 08:22 PM

^ You can buy "Toto washlets" at any high end plumbing store, or probably get them online.
Posted by: Fluids

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 08:27 PM

It's a brand new house (6 months old), so i doubt they're older than 1 year. They're not the low flow variety (with two flush modes).
Posted by: DBMaster

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 08:32 PM

I'll quote my best friend, "perhaps you need more fiber in your diet."

I have a 1996 built house. This was when the 1.6 gallon flush toilets were initially being required. The ones that came with the house should have had plungers attached as standard equipment. I installed a Sloan Flushmate equipped toilet in 2002. It is loud, but it NEVER clogs - and I mean NEVER. My plunger gathers dust.

I know there are newer technologies that do it well with gravity, but I am still quite fond of my "Flushinator."
Posted by: Stewart Fan

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: nickaluch
Not a fan of big box stores.Have a kohler I bought from home depot 4 years ago and all I do is plunge the thing.


I was in the same boat. I was unclogging toilets a couple times a day. I installed a Champion Max 4 1.28gpf a couple months ago. I'm not sure its possible to clog this thing. I wouldn't be surprised if it could flush an entire roll of TP.
Posted by: strat81

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 09:16 PM

Originally Posted By: nickaluch
In need of a new toilet.Not happy with home depot or loews toilets.Thinking about going with a Toto toilet with the cyclone flush 1.28 gallons.Any feedback?

Yes! YES! YESSSS!!!

Indeed, I am in love with my Toto toilets. After moving into my current house a few years ago, I found the builder-grade toilets to be sub-par. We had clogs constantly. I did my research and got a Toto Ultramax II for the main restroom and a Drake II for the secondary. Both are ADA-height with Sana-gloss and elongated bowls.

Holy schlimola. Amazing toilets, the best I've ever used. VERY comfortable to sit on and the suck down everything. EV. ERY. THING. Don't give anyone a swirlie with a Toto, you'll take their head off!

We've removed the plungers from the bathrooms as they started to gather dust. We don't need them anymore.

Some relevant reading:
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1195510
Posted by: benjamming

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 10:07 PM

This toilet seems to work well every time. smile
Moko
Posted by: icetrucker

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 11:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Stewart Fan
Originally Posted By: nickaluch
Not a fan of big box stores.Have a kohler I bought from home depot 4 years ago and all I do is plunge the thing.


I was in the same boat. I was unclogging toilets a couple times a day. I installed a Champion Max 4 1.28gpf a couple months ago. I'm not sure its possible to clog this thing. I wouldn't be surprised if it could flush an entire roll of TP.


WOW what kind of [censored] are you guys putting in there???
Posted by: zloveraz

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/18/14 11:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Nick R
I want to import a Japanese toilet.

Why you ask?


THEY HAVE HEATED TOILET SEATS. WHY DO WE NOT HAVE THIS YET!? Some even play music or white noise.


You can get them here also..

http://www.biorelief.com/products/bidet-products/neorest-500-by-toto.html

Or just get a heated seat: http://www.homedepot.com/p/LumaWarm-Heated-Nightlight-Toilet-Seat-Round-White-L60-RW/203434470
Posted by: BISCUT

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/19/14 07:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Nick R
I want to import a Japanese toilet.

Why you ask?


THEY HAVE HEATED TOILET SEATS. WHY DO WE NOT HAVE THIS YET!? Some even play music or white noise.


It's here buddy! You may not like the price tag! One of my best friends has owned/operated a plumbing business for many years. He is an average guy but has a few big name clients. From NY Yankees to the queen of home delight, former owner of Snapple......

He has installed a few 5k and up...even a 10k toilet once. INSANE!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Stewart Fan

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/19/14 09:58 AM

Originally Posted By: icetrucker
Originally Posted By: Stewart Fan
Originally Posted By: nickaluch
Not a fan of big box stores.Have a kohler I bought from home depot 4 years ago and all I do is plunge the thing.


I was in the same boat. I was unclogging toilets a couple times a day. I installed a Champion Max 4 1.28gpf a couple months ago. I'm not sure its possible to clog this thing. I wouldn't be surprised if it could flush an entire roll of TP.


WOW what kind of [censored] are you guys putting in there???


Junk toilets and kids that use a weeks worth of TP in one shot don't mix well.
Posted by: supton

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/19/14 10:43 AM

Tell 'em to use baby wipes, and to use the trash can for the wipes. We did that with ours, and the only clog we've had was an incident of flushing toys down the drain (and that was prior to potty training).
Posted by: Quest

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/19/14 12:59 PM

Toto toilets have always been my favourite. Unfortunately, here in my area, Toto Drake costs over 300bux each...jobbers pricing is around 285...still very expensive if I am to consider retrofitting all 3 of them in my house.

I ended up purchasing Foremost 1.6gal flush type (Opal): got them for around 84bux+tax each...with Map 1000g(grams) flushing power, none of them exhibits clogging yet..(unlike my Eljer 13L flush, which can't handle the mess well).

All other domestic brand names like AS Champion4, etc. are extremely expensive in my area...costs way more than what I'd like to anticipate for the sake of water conservation.

Missus hasn't requested for bidet or heater toilet seats yet so hush....

Q.
Posted by: Touring5

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/19/14 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: icetrucker
Originally Posted By: Stewart Fan
Originally Posted By: nickaluch
Not a fan of big box stores.Have a kohler I bought from home depot 4 years ago and all I do is plunge the thing.


I was in the same boat. I was unclogging toilets a couple times a day. I installed a Champion Max 4 1.28gpf a couple months ago. I'm not sure its possible to clog this thing. I wouldn't be surprised if it could flush an entire roll of TP.


WOW what kind of [censored] are you guys putting in there???


My cousin is a remodeler and told me he will only use Toto toilets due to complaints with other brands not flushing properly. He told me of a product demo at our local plumbing supply by a Toto rep - the guy put 5 Big Macs in the toilet and it flushed everything on the first flush.

I put a single piece Toto in 6 years ago and have only one (small) complaint: A flush takes about 1 second and it's straight down - no swirl action. Because of this there is less "bowl wash". They offer an optional coating that is supposed to reduce what sticks on the bowl, but I didn't get it.
Posted by: artificialist

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/19/14 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Touring5
Originally Posted By: icetrucker
Originally Posted By: Stewart Fan
Originally Posted By: nickaluch
Not a fan of big box stores.Have a kohler I bought from home depot 4 years ago and all I do is plunge the thing.


I was in the same boat. I was unclogging toilets a couple times a day. I installed a Champion Max 4 1.28gpf a couple months ago. I'm not sure its possible to clog this thing. I wouldn't be surprised if it could flush an entire roll of TP.


WOW what kind of [censored] are you guys putting in there???


My cousin is a remodeler and told me he will only use Toto toilets due to complaints with other brands not flushing properly. He told me of a product demo at our local plumbing supply by a Toto rep - the guy put 5 Big Macs in the toilet and it flushed everything on the first flush.

I put a single piece Toto in 6 years ago and have only one (small) complaint: A flush takes about 1 second and it's straight down - no swirl action. Because of this there is less "bowl wash". They offer an optional coating that is supposed to reduce what sticks on the bowl, but I didn't get it.

Newer ones still flush in a fraction of a second, but some of them now have the vortex action that erases stains.

That is one reason I got the Mansfield Cascade. The newest Toto is even better, but it was out of the budget.
Posted by: GumbyJarvis

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/20/14 12:34 AM

Toto toilets... They're nice, parents have a tad bit taller one, getting old does that to you!


All I can do sitting in it is hum the song "hold the line" by toto


Then, when I go to wipe, I break out into an air guitar solo and scream
"Hold the line
Love isn't always on time"

...of course you know, cherish the small things in life
Posted by: supton

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/20/14 07:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Touring5
He told me of a product demo at our local plumbing supply by a Toto rep - the guy put 5 Big Macs in the toilet and it flushed everything on the first flush.


Is that the best use of a Big Mac or what! lol
Posted by: PandaBear

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/20/14 01:59 PM

I think as long as you spend good money for good design it should be good.

Stay away from one piece toilet from any brand, they are junk as not enough height to get the water pressure and speed to flush.
Posted by: kkreit01

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/20/14 02:59 PM

"I bless the rains down in Africa"

(sorry -- first thing that came to mind)
Posted by: Pop_Rivit

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/20/14 03:50 PM

I don't have any direct experience with Toto toilets, but we have American Standard Champion toilets in our home-the ones they advertised with the golf balls-and we've never had to use a plunger.

The Kohler toilets in our previous home were a nightmare-#2 nearly always required a plunge and a second flush. But the American Standard Champion toilets have never given us any problems whatsoever. Our diet didn't change when we built our current home, so the problem was the poorly designed Kohlers.

Originally Posted By: Nick R
I want to import a Japanese toilet.

Why you ask?
THEY HAVE HEATED TOILET SEATS. WHY DO WE NOT HAVE THIS YET!? Some even play music or white noise.


It's just a bidet with a few extra bells and whistles. We have the bidet seat on all of our toilets, but we don't have heated seats or some of the other options you pictured. It's really quite common and I suspect they're probably even available at Amazon. They're not at all unusual here in the States.
Posted by: strat81

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/20/14 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I think as long as you spend good money for good design it should be good.

Stay away from one piece toilet from any brand, they are junk as not enough height to get the water pressure and speed to flush.



My 1-pc Toto Ultramax II flushes just as well as my 2-pc Toto Drake II.



Another consideration: replacement parts. Some toilets use proprietary parts. I know the majority of the guts of my Totos can be replaced with common parts.
Posted by: artificialist

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/20/14 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I think as long as you spend good money for good design it should be good.

Stay away from one piece toilet from any brand, they are junk as not enough height to get the water pressure and speed to flush.


Actually, at my mom's old house, we had premium Kohler 1 piece toilets that worked extremely well while using 1.6 gallons per flush.
Posted by: ronbo

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/20/14 09:45 PM

CR magazine rated Aqua Source from Lowes a best buy and better than Toto. I bought two at $100 apiece and had them over a year. I'm happy with both. No clogging issues and they are low flow.
Posted by: 1 FMF

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/23/14 07:23 AM

toto FTW.

i bought one, then another 2, for the house years ago.
whether the other brands these days flush as well as a toto i don't know, they need to have a working model in store that you can observe flush.
if the toilet requires the water in the bowl to rise then flushes and you watch the water do a circular pattern it's junk.
they should flush immediately and straight down, which a toto does.

all you really need in the tank is a fluidmaster fill valve, they let the tank fill fast. for the one toto we use 98% of the time all i ever replaced was the fluidmaster filler and red flapper valve for $10 from home depot.
Posted by: wog

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/23/14 06:59 PM

There is a recall on certain batch of Sloan flush mates, crack the china tank. Look inside and get model
# and call them.
Posted by: DBMaster

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/23/14 07:12 PM

^I know about this. Unfortunately, my pressure vessel starting leaking before they issued the recall. I had to pay $110 for the guts that I replaced myself. I did learn about the recall later and the law firm handling the class action suit still wanted me to be part of it. I wouldn't mind getting that $110 back, but I'm glad I noticed it leaking before it exploded.

The "fix" from Sloan is a big metal band clamps that goes around the pressure vessel.

https://www.flushmate.com/recall/
Posted by: artificialist

Re: Toto toilets? - 02/23/14 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: 1 FMF

if the toilet requires the water in the bowl to rise then flushes and you watch the water do a circular pattern it's junk.
they should flush immediately and straight down, which a toto does.

Ever see a video of the Double Cylcone Toto? They were able to combine vortex action without giving up flushing power.

My Mansfield does this, but it is priced between a contractor special and a premium toilet, so it works pretty well while having vortex action.