Which one is safer? I do use m.c ones but car ones are cheaper...so, if there is no difference I would use car ones BUT I would like your inputs. By the way I drive 2002 R1. Thanks.
Car vs M.C Amsoil.
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don't use any oils that are "energy conserving" on the API sunburst. many folks here use 15w-40 diesel oils such as rotella and delo. they are cheap and seem to work well. my bike eats oil so i only run mc specific synthetics such as motul or silkoline.
I would'nt use car specific oils at all. They do not have enough of what we need for bikes like zinc and phosphorous. They have too much of what we do not need like friction modifiers(moly).
You live in Canada so you have access to Petro-can Duron XL 10/40. This semi synthetic oil is very high quality and Jaso Ma rated for bike wet clutches. It specs out very close to the previous formula of Amsoil 10/40 bike oil. They also make a fine synthetic Duron 5/40 and a Duron semi synthetic 15/40. I'm running these oils in two bikes. Duron XL 10/40 is $3.79 a litre at PC warehouses. I'm not affiliated with Petro-can but I should get a commission for all the oil I've sold for them.
You live in Canada so you have access to Petro-can Duron XL 10/40. This semi synthetic oil is very high quality and Jaso Ma rated for bike wet clutches. It specs out very close to the previous formula of Amsoil 10/40 bike oil. They also make a fine synthetic Duron 5/40 and a Duron semi synthetic 15/40. I'm running these oils in two bikes. Duron XL 10/40 is $3.79 a litre at PC warehouses. I'm not affiliated with Petro-can but I should get a commission for all the oil I've sold for them.
The new Amsoil MC oils are completely different from their 10w-40/20w-50 (AMO/ARO) car oils. The main advantages include GL-1 gear protection under extreme pressures, vastly better shear stability and improved rust/corrosion protection during off season storage.
These attributes also make them excellent candidates for use in Marine inboard applications....
I'd only recommend the purpose built, MC oils now for these applications - particularly for the very high rpm Japanese and British bikes.
Tooslick
These attributes also make them excellent candidates for use in Marine inboard applications....
I'd only recommend the purpose built, MC oils now for these applications - particularly for the very high rpm Japanese and British bikes.
Tooslick
That may be a good blanket statement to keep out of trouble, but AMSOIL has lots of ZDDP & no moly. So, I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Use HDEOs that are also rated for gas engines and the Allison C-4 spec which is a wet clutch and gear spec. Most diesel engine 15W-40 oils are.
I'm not knocking Amsoil. Its great stuff but very pricey here.
My statement was very accurate.
Due to emissions laws and catalytic converters, car oils are limited to what chemicals can be used and how much. Link below with info regarding catalytic converters below from AMSOIL.
http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/articles48.htm
My statement was very accurate.
Due to emissions laws and catalytic converters, car oils are limited to what chemicals can be used and how much. Link below with info regarding catalytic converters below from AMSOIL.
http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/articles48.htm
XS650 is right on the money.
If a diesel oil is rated Allison C4, Caterpillar Powershift, and/or Clark transmissions, they are fine for bike wet clutches.
Diesel oils do have higher amounts of ash/detergent. This will keep an engine cleaner longer and may promote longer valve life due to the cushioning effect of the ash. On the downside, ash is said to create more engine deposits. Ash which is relevant to detergent levels, is a catch22 situation. Too much detergent/ash - longer drain intervals - cleaner engine but possibly more deposits. Too little detergent/ash - shorter drain intervals and a less clean engine - more deposits. Diesel engine oils are designed for extended drains. I'll go with the increased detergent to combat engine acids, combustion by-products, and moisture.
Shell Rotella products are also well liked by bikers and easily available - not too mention cheap.
If a diesel oil is rated Allison C4, Caterpillar Powershift, and/or Clark transmissions, they are fine for bike wet clutches.
Diesel oils do have higher amounts of ash/detergent. This will keep an engine cleaner longer and may promote longer valve life due to the cushioning effect of the ash. On the downside, ash is said to create more engine deposits. Ash which is relevant to detergent levels, is a catch22 situation. Too much detergent/ash - longer drain intervals - cleaner engine but possibly more deposits. Too little detergent/ash - shorter drain intervals and a less clean engine - more deposits. Diesel engine oils are designed for extended drains. I'll go with the increased detergent to combat engine acids, combustion by-products, and moisture.
Shell Rotella products are also well liked by bikers and easily available - not too mention cheap.
Well, I just ordered MC oil through local amsoil dealer and forgot to mention NEW mc oil. How would I know if I got new or old type oil? It doesn't really matter to me as old type worked well for me anyway.
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