I just read some Amsoil dealers websites. they all have exactly the same talking points.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Amsoil cannot legally claim Dexos without passing the proper testing.
And add to that registering the product with GM quality assurance!
If GM or Ford denies a warranty claim for a lubrication failure caused by non spec oil (and is is non spec, they are not on the dexos approved vendor list) then Amsoil will take on Ford or GM? Come on, i might have been born at night but not last night.
Until this thread i used Amsoil in many cars out of warranty, in almost every automatic/manual transmission, and differential. I used their filters and fuel additive.
Now i am so PO'd at the recommendation to use this stuff in new vehicles under warranty i wont buy their product anymore, i can support any other company with my money.
IMHO its totally unfair to put the customer in the position where they have to possibly (regardless of how remote) play go between the manufacturer and the company that produced the oil when all they had to do was use a spec fluid.
No thanks, to me thats dishonest and unfair because they want to save money not licensing their products.
Amsoil claims BMW LL-04 and Mercedes-Benz 229.51 for their European Car Formula 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil but when we look at the official BMW and Mercedes approved vendors list we see lots of familiar names, Pennsoil, Mobil 1, Valvoline, etc but no Amsoil.
I have no dog in this fight, none whatsoever. Anyone reading this should read the links below and draw your own conclusions to make an informed decision.
Originally Posted By: Mercedes Benz
The following product list should help you to select the correct operating fluid for your vehicle/major assembly from the variety of products in the market.
We are recommending to use exclusively the products listed in the following overview, because only these products have been tested and approved by Mercedes-Benz.
We recommend using only products
which are distinctly marked with the label indicating the approval of Mercedes-Benz, e.g. “MB-Approval 229.51”. Labels referring e.g. to “MB 229.51” don't have an approval of Mercedes-Benz. Which are listed in the current MB BeVo. Only listed products are tested and approved by Mercedes-Benz.
Originally Posted By: Mercedes Benz
Items Which Are Not Covered:
DAMAGE DUE TO LACK OF MAINTE-
NANCE: Lack of proper maintenance as
described in the Maintenance Booklet.
Use of service parts or fluids, such as
paper oil filters or improper engine oil,
which are non-approved by MBUSA, will
cause engine damage not covered by the
warranty
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/mo.../?code=AELQT-EA
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html
http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalAsset...ion_booklet.pdf
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478346
Pablo is an Amsoil dealer i expect him to come to Amsoils rescue but claiming its no problem running unlicensed fluids or extended OCI on a vehicle under warranty is a disservice IMHO.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Amsoil cannot legally claim Dexos without passing the proper testing.
And add to that registering the product with GM quality assurance!
If GM or Ford denies a warranty claim for a lubrication failure caused by non spec oil (and is is non spec, they are not on the dexos approved vendor list) then Amsoil will take on Ford or GM? Come on, i might have been born at night but not last night.
Until this thread i used Amsoil in many cars out of warranty, in almost every automatic/manual transmission, and differential. I used their filters and fuel additive.
Now i am so PO'd at the recommendation to use this stuff in new vehicles under warranty i wont buy their product anymore, i can support any other company with my money.
IMHO its totally unfair to put the customer in the position where they have to possibly (regardless of how remote) play go between the manufacturer and the company that produced the oil when all they had to do was use a spec fluid.
No thanks, to me thats dishonest and unfair because they want to save money not licensing their products.
Amsoil claims BMW LL-04 and Mercedes-Benz 229.51 for their European Car Formula 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil but when we look at the official BMW and Mercedes approved vendors list we see lots of familiar names, Pennsoil, Mobil 1, Valvoline, etc but no Amsoil.
I have no dog in this fight, none whatsoever. Anyone reading this should read the links below and draw your own conclusions to make an informed decision.
Originally Posted By: Mercedes Benz
The following product list should help you to select the correct operating fluid for your vehicle/major assembly from the variety of products in the market.
We are recommending to use exclusively the products listed in the following overview, because only these products have been tested and approved by Mercedes-Benz.
We recommend using only products
which are distinctly marked with the label indicating the approval of Mercedes-Benz, e.g. “MB-Approval 229.51”. Labels referring e.g. to “MB 229.51” don't have an approval of Mercedes-Benz. Which are listed in the current MB BeVo. Only listed products are tested and approved by Mercedes-Benz.
Originally Posted By: Mercedes Benz
Items Which Are Not Covered:
DAMAGE DUE TO LACK OF MAINTE-
NANCE: Lack of proper maintenance as
described in the Maintenance Booklet.
Use of service parts or fluids, such as
paper oil filters or improper engine oil,
which are non-approved by MBUSA, will
cause engine damage not covered by the
warranty
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/mo.../?code=AELQT-EA
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html
http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalAsset...ion_booklet.pdf
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478346
Pablo is an Amsoil dealer i expect him to come to Amsoils rescue but claiming its no problem running unlicensed fluids or extended OCI on a vehicle under warranty is a disservice IMHO.
