What is the difference with oils that display this on the front of the bottle VS bottles with the starburst on the backside?
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The starburst indicates that the oil meets improved mileage specs-I think.
I misread.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Is one of them inverted ?
Inverted?? That's the sign of the...
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Is one of them inverted ?
Inverted?? That's the sign of the...
Well never mind.
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
What is the difference with oils that display this on the front of the bottle VS bottles with the starburst on the backside?
The Starburst is only on the front and indicates that the oil is ILSAC certified. The Donut is on the back and is on any API certified oil, including certifed monogrades, HDEOs, and ILSAC certified PCMOs.
What is the difference with oils that display this on the front of the bottle VS bottles with the starburst on the backside?
The Starburst is only on the front and indicates that the oil is ILSAC certified. The Donut is on the back and is on any API certified oil, including certifed monogrades, HDEOs, and ILSAC certified PCMOs.
Yes, ILSAC rated if it has it on the front. All ILSAC rated (GF-5) oils are SN as well.
As for the MaxLife, perhaps the 5w-30 is some mighty old stock.
As for the MaxLife, perhaps the 5w-30 is some mighty old stock.
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Originally Posted By: Fordai
I just noticed that the Valvoline Maxlife that i purchased in 5W20 has the starburst and dexos approval but the same oil in 5W30 does not.
If you're talking about the Dexos1 approval seal/stamp,
That's just a jug that probably had all the printing done on it prior to the announcement. Maxlife 5w30 is dexos1 certified.
Here's the list of approved brands and their viscosity:
http://www.centerforqa.com/dexos-brand1/
I just noticed that the Valvoline Maxlife that i purchased in 5W20 has the starburst and dexos approval but the same oil in 5W30 does not.
If you're talking about the Dexos1 approval seal/stamp,
That's just a jug that probably had all the printing done on it prior to the announcement. Maxlife 5w30 is dexos1 certified.
Here's the list of approved brands and their viscosity:
http://www.centerforqa.com/dexos-brand1/
MaxLife 5w-30 also used to not be ILSAC rated, so this stuff could be pretty old if there's no Starburst.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
What is the difference with oils that display this on the front of the bottle VS bottles with the starburst on the backside?
The Starburst is only on the front and indicates that the oil is ILSAC certified. The Donut is on the back and is on any API certified oil, including certifed monogrades, HDEOs, and ILSAC certified PCMOs.
I believe you may be wrong on this.
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
What is the difference with oils that display this on the front of the bottle VS bottles with the starburst on the backside?
The Starburst is only on the front and indicates that the oil is ILSAC certified. The Donut is on the back and is on any API certified oil, including certifed monogrades, HDEOs, and ILSAC certified PCMOs.
I believe you may be wrong on this.
I guarantee you I am not. The API, the trademark holder, is very picky about the location and use of those marks.
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Wouldnt the oil have to be "ISLAC GF-5 API SN" to have the starburst on the front too?
Nope. Here's an API SM, GL-4/3/2 example, for one
http://www.pqiamerica.com/exxonlabelrevnew.htm
Wouldnt the oil have to be "ISLAC GF-5 API SN" to have the starburst on the front too?
Nope. Here's an API SM, GL-4/3/2 example, for one
http://www.pqiamerica.com/exxonlabelrevnew.htm
Another.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/exxonlabelrevnew.htm
Another API SM
http://www.pqiamerica.com/Warren-2010.htm
http://www.pqiamerica.com/warrenoilnov2010.htm
Another API SM, ILSAC GF-4
http://www.pqiamerica.com/valvolinelabelrevnew.htm
etc.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/exxonlabelrevnew.htm
Another API SM
http://www.pqiamerica.com/Warren-2010.htm
http://www.pqiamerica.com/warrenoilnov2010.htm
Another API SM, ILSAC GF-4
http://www.pqiamerica.com/valvolinelabelrevnew.htm
etc.
This article says the starburst is typically on the front label and the donut is typically on the back label, indicating those are the typical, but not necessarily required, positions for these two symbols.
http://www.pennzoil.com/learn-about-motor-oil/types-of-oil-and-recommended-use/
http://www.pennzoil.com/learn-about-motor-oil/types-of-oil-and-recommended-use/
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
Nope. Here's an API SM, GL-4/3/2....
Except those aren't expected to be found on the shelf any longer, unless it's mighty old stock.
As your Pennzoil link indicates:
Originally Posted By: Pennzoil Link
The Starburst identifies engine oils recommended for a certain application, such as “For Gasoline Engines.” To carry this symbol on the container, the oil must meet the most current requirements of ILSAC, which is the International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee, a joint effort of U.S. and Japanese automobile manufacturers.
The emphasis is mine. Basically, as I said earlier in the thread, only ILSAC oils have a Starburst, whereas API licensed HDEOs and monogrades can and will have a donut on the back. My Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 has a Donut on the back for CJ-4/SM. I have an old jug of QS with a Starburst and SM/GF-4 on the back and a a quart bottle of PYB with a Starburst and SN/GF-5 on the back.
Nope. Here's an API SM, GL-4/3/2....
Except those aren't expected to be found on the shelf any longer, unless it's mighty old stock.
As your Pennzoil link indicates:
Originally Posted By: Pennzoil Link
The Starburst identifies engine oils recommended for a certain application, such as “For Gasoline Engines.” To carry this symbol on the container, the oil must meet the most current requirements of ILSAC, which is the International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee, a joint effort of U.S. and Japanese automobile manufacturers.
The emphasis is mine. Basically, as I said earlier in the thread, only ILSAC oils have a Starburst, whereas API licensed HDEOs and monogrades can and will have a donut on the back. My Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 has a Donut on the back for CJ-4/SM. I have an old jug of QS with a Starburst and SM/GF-4 on the back and a a quart bottle of PYB with a Starburst and SN/GF-5 on the back.
Garak please quit polluting my thread.
I have a bottle of oil withhe starburst on the front of the bottle and no mention of ILSAC anywhere on the bottle.
I am trying to promote honesty. I do not understand why you are peddling lies. Do you have an underground agenda? I have asked the moderators to move you from the site!
I have a bottle of oil withhe starburst on the front of the bottle and no mention of ILSAC anywhere on the bottle.
I am trying to promote honesty. I do not understand why you are peddling lies. Do you have an underground agenda? I have asked the moderators to move you from the site!
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