Castrol Edge Black Bottle for 10K?
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I'd consider them about "equal" to the Napa Gold (as far as filter tiers might go), if it weren't for the media tears business.
Absolutely, as do I. I liked the efficiency. I liked the price. The availability has always been an issue up here, and has gotten worse. I definitely don't like tearing.
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Originally Posted By: meborder
rolling up on 7k right now and was planning on changing it tomorrow since my mileage would be 137,500 -- put me back on schedule so my next one would be an even 145k @ 7500.
got to thinking though, i might be able to stretch it out to 10k. maybe? I just added another 1/2 quart to bring me back up to the "safe" range (cauz i had to go get some hay bales about 40 miles away).
i like even numbers ... easier to remember.
06 expedition, 5.4. almost exclusively highway miles. not much towing. only a 250 mile trip with my 2000 lbs car trailer (empty one way, bale spear on the way back) and a 80 mile trip to go get some hay bales (empty down, 5000lbs(ish) total on the way back). i drive fairly easy and its 20ish miles one way to work.
just looking for opinions. i've got enough top-off oil to get to the 10k mark (9500 actual to put me back on schedule @ 140k).
in hindsight, for the extra 4 bucks i should have just bought the Edge Gold, which i would probably do next time if i really want to do 10k.
As long as your engine is not being contaminated by fuel or coolant dilution, 10K should be easily attainable.
rolling up on 7k right now and was planning on changing it tomorrow since my mileage would be 137,500 -- put me back on schedule so my next one would be an even 145k @ 7500.
got to thinking though, i might be able to stretch it out to 10k. maybe? I just added another 1/2 quart to bring me back up to the "safe" range (cauz i had to go get some hay bales about 40 miles away).
i like even numbers ... easier to remember.
06 expedition, 5.4. almost exclusively highway miles. not much towing. only a 250 mile trip with my 2000 lbs car trailer (empty one way, bale spear on the way back) and a 80 mile trip to go get some hay bales (empty down, 5000lbs(ish) total on the way back). i drive fairly easy and its 20ish miles one way to work.
just looking for opinions. i've got enough top-off oil to get to the 10k mark (9500 actual to put me back on schedule @ 140k).
in hindsight, for the extra 4 bucks i should have just bought the Edge Gold, which i would probably do next time if i really want to do 10k.
As long as your engine is not being contaminated by fuel or coolant dilution, 10K should be easily attainable.
I think I'm going to go for 10K and do a UOA.
Had I been pulling heavy stuff a lot I might re-think, but I've not towed much and in general, the engine seems relatively healthy.
the first UOA showed some high metals, but that was second OCI after purchase (changed the oil that came with the truck @3k, and sampled the NAPA Synthetic after 6500). the next one (Trop Artic 5w30) looked good with normal metals and no fuel dilution.
I think next time i'll spend the extra 4 bucks and get the Edge Gold Bottle (EP) and just not worry about the 10k, regardless of use. The gold is $28/5qt vs $26/5q so why not go with the gold?
Code:
OIL Trop 5w30 NAPA 5w20
Artic Synthetic
SynBlend
MILES IN USE 4,989 6,447
MILES 125,086 114,429
SAMPLE TAKEN 10/23/14 06/01/14
Metals (ppm)
IRON 10 45
CHROMIUM
LEAD
COPPER 1 2
TIN
ALUMINUM 4 22
NICKEL
SILVER
TITANIUM
VANADIUM
Contaminants (ppm)
SILICON 8 10
SODIUM 17 278
POTASSIUM
Additives (ppm)
MAGNESIUM 14 118
CALCIUM 2044 1792
BARIUM
PHOSPHORUS 690 627
ZINC 761 730
MOLYBDENUM 15 6
BORON 70 9
Contaminants
WATER
Coolant No No
Physical Tests
Visc (cSt 100C) 8.9 9.0
TBN (mgKOH/g) 2.6 2.5
Had I been pulling heavy stuff a lot I might re-think, but I've not towed much and in general, the engine seems relatively healthy.
the first UOA showed some high metals, but that was second OCI after purchase (changed the oil that came with the truck @3k, and sampled the NAPA Synthetic after 6500). the next one (Trop Artic 5w30) looked good with normal metals and no fuel dilution.
I think next time i'll spend the extra 4 bucks and get the Edge Gold Bottle (EP) and just not worry about the 10k, regardless of use. The gold is $28/5qt vs $26/5q so why not go with the gold?
Code:
OIL Trop 5w30 NAPA 5w20
Artic Synthetic
SynBlend
MILES IN USE 4,989 6,447
MILES 125,086 114,429
SAMPLE TAKEN 10/23/14 06/01/14
Metals (ppm)
IRON 10 45
CHROMIUM
LEAD
COPPER 1 2
TIN
ALUMINUM 4 22
NICKEL
SILVER
TITANIUM
VANADIUM
Contaminants (ppm)
SILICON 8 10
SODIUM 17 278
POTASSIUM
Additives (ppm)
MAGNESIUM 14 118
CALCIUM 2044 1792
BARIUM
PHOSPHORUS 690 627
ZINC 761 730
MOLYBDENUM 15 6
BORON 70 9
Contaminants
WATER
Coolant No No
Physical Tests
Visc (cSt 100C) 8.9 9.0
TBN (mgKOH/g) 2.6 2.5
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Interestingly enough, NAPA is pretty good about listing the specs on their filters.
here's what they have for the NAPA Gold currently in place
Code:
Part Number: 1372
UPC Number: 765809138407
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.836 (97)*
Outer Diameter Top: 3.668 (93)*
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed:
Thread Size: 22X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting: 22 PSI
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=12/25
Burst Pressure-PSI: 275
Max Flow Rate: 11-13 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
I cannot find the same information for the Bosch, other than they say that they hold 300% more stuff. the Beta ratio stuff confuses me a bit, but If I did my math right, it looks like
the 50% of 20micron particles were retained and 99.9% of the 25 micron particles were retained.
wish I had the same info for the bosch d+. I think capacity is key with extended OCI's, though, yes?
here's what they have for the NAPA Gold currently in place
Code:
Part Number: 1372
UPC Number: 765809138407
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.836 (97)*
Outer Diameter Top: 3.668 (93)*
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed:
Thread Size: 22X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting: 22 PSI
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=12/25
Burst Pressure-PSI: 275
Max Flow Rate: 11-13 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
I cannot find the same information for the Bosch, other than they say that they hold 300% more stuff. the Beta ratio stuff confuses me a bit, but If I did my math right, it looks like
the 50% of 20micron particles were retained and 99.9% of the 25 micron particles were retained.
wish I had the same info for the bosch d+. I think capacity is key with extended OCI's, though, yes?
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Originally Posted By: meborder
Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
137,500 and 145,000 are still not evenly divisible by your anticipated 7500 mile OCI. That would be 142,500 and 150,000.
With that much top off, you can likely run it out to the 142,500 and put that OCD at ease.
ok .. I've checked the math several times now ...
137,500 + 7,500 = 145,000
I changed it last at 130,000 (actually 130,500ish) and I'm currently at 137,500(ish) so changing it now gets me back to where I'd be at an easy-to-remember interval @145k.
but 140k is easier to remember still
then 150, 160, 170 ... and so on and so on .... or so I hope.
that's the other part of the equation too ... I've got 3 years left on the note, so at 25k/year it will have 180k+ on it at the end of the note if I don't get it paid off early. I'm hoping to get another 5+ years out of it before replacing it.
I'm just not sure I can make myself do it. the oil looks great in the engine. not dark at all .... if this were the EP, I don't think I'd be as gunshy
Sorry, I guess I didn't word my first post the best. What I meant was that 145k / 7500 = 19.33333333, so not an even number. But 142.5k / 7500 = 19. Yes, I'm an accountant so that's my whole number OCD kicking in.
Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
137,500 and 145,000 are still not evenly divisible by your anticipated 7500 mile OCI. That would be 142,500 and 150,000.
With that much top off, you can likely run it out to the 142,500 and put that OCD at ease.
ok .. I've checked the math several times now ...
137,500 + 7,500 = 145,000
I changed it last at 130,000 (actually 130,500ish) and I'm currently at 137,500(ish) so changing it now gets me back to where I'd be at an easy-to-remember interval @145k.
but 140k is easier to remember still
that's the other part of the equation too ... I've got 3 years left on the note, so at 25k/year it will have 180k+ on it at the end of the note if I don't get it paid off early. I'm hoping to get another 5+ years out of it before replacing it.
I'm just not sure I can make myself do it. the oil looks great in the engine. not dark at all .... if this were the EP, I don't think I'd be as gunshy
Sorry, I guess I didn't word my first post the best. What I meant was that 145k / 7500 = 19.33333333, so not an even number. But 142.5k / 7500 = 19. Yes, I'm an accountant so that's my whole number OCD kicking in.
Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
Sorry, I guess I didn't word my first post the best. What I meant was that 145k / 7500 = 19.33333333, so not an even number. But 142.5k / 7500 = 19. Yes, I'm an accountant so that's my whole number OCD kicking in.
ok, I get where you are at. (engineers and accountants can have the same affinity for numbers, after all)
I'm not starting at zero, though, I'm starting at 130k. plus, i really don't have an interest in how many times I've change the oil over any range of miles; which is why I couldn't follow where you were going.
Sorry, I guess I didn't word my first post the best. What I meant was that 145k / 7500 = 19.33333333, so not an even number. But 142.5k / 7500 = 19. Yes, I'm an accountant so that's my whole number OCD kicking in.
ok, I get where you are at. (engineers and accountants can have the same affinity for numbers, after all)
I'm not starting at zero, though, I'm starting at 130k. plus, i really don't have an interest in how many times I've change the oil over any range of miles; which is why I couldn't follow where you were going.
The black bottle has a 15k mile recommendation on the bottle.
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
The black bottle has a 15k mile recommendation on the bottle.
not here it doesn't.
the gold bottle says "guaranteed protection for 15,000 miles"
the black bottle say nothing of the sort
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Castrol-Edge-5W30-Motor-Oil-5-qt/34039135 (black bottle)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Castrol-Edge-Extended-Performance-5W30-Motor-Oil-5-qt/34039136 (gold bottle)
The black bottle has a 15k mile recommendation on the bottle.
not here it doesn't.
the gold bottle says "guaranteed protection for 15,000 miles"
the black bottle say nothing of the sort
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Castrol-Edge-5W30-Motor-Oil-5-qt/34039135 (black bottle)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Castrol-Edge-Extended-Performance-5W30-Motor-Oil-5-qt/34039136 (gold bottle)
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