Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
The only way to entirely invalidate HID conversions into halogen housings is to test them all. Can you deny this, or are you going to make me break out my high school material and show you just how an experiment is run and how the results apply?
And the converse of this (if I understand you correctly) is: the only way to validate any HID conversion is to photometrically test it in accordance with regulations. The burden of proof, either when designing something from scratch or modifying a current design, is not on a regulating agency or anyone else to demonstrate why it doesn't work...it's on the designer to demonstrate that it DOES work.
Your go/no-go gauge on your own vehicles seems to be, "I can back away from them and they seem fine to me." That's not testing.
To my knowledge, nobody who has converted a halogen housing to HIDs has done the required testing to demonstrate compliance. Whether that's an HID bulb manufacturer, a middle man, or an end user.
Assuming everything you are saying is accurate, and I'm not saying it is, there are still no grounds to say that something does not work correctly, but only that it is unknown if it works correctly.
At the end of the day, I'm not a machine, and I don't drive in one.
There was a time where there was no photometric testing, but still, people used electric lights to good effect for all sorts of purposes. Am I to believe that all of those people, pilots, sea captains, explorers, soldiers, rescue workers, engineers, etc. we're all a bunch of fools for using lighting with no photometric testing, and imagined their results? Would I tell them that their lights don't work because they never produced photometric results to back up their claims that they were able to see where they were going/what they were searching for? Am I going to start tearing through history books calling Paul Revere a fraud because no photometric testing ever backed up that anyone could see his lanterns? No, that would be ridiculous.
Modern scientific testing is a very good thing, but seriously? It's not required to figure out if you can see something or not. There was a world before it.
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
The only way to entirely invalidate HID conversions into halogen housings is to test them all. Can you deny this, or are you going to make me break out my high school material and show you just how an experiment is run and how the results apply?
And the converse of this (if I understand you correctly) is: the only way to validate any HID conversion is to photometrically test it in accordance with regulations. The burden of proof, either when designing something from scratch or modifying a current design, is not on a regulating agency or anyone else to demonstrate why it doesn't work...it's on the designer to demonstrate that it DOES work.
Your go/no-go gauge on your own vehicles seems to be, "I can back away from them and they seem fine to me." That's not testing.
To my knowledge, nobody who has converted a halogen housing to HIDs has done the required testing to demonstrate compliance. Whether that's an HID bulb manufacturer, a middle man, or an end user.
Assuming everything you are saying is accurate, and I'm not saying it is, there are still no grounds to say that something does not work correctly, but only that it is unknown if it works correctly.
At the end of the day, I'm not a machine, and I don't drive in one.
There was a time where there was no photometric testing, but still, people used electric lights to good effect for all sorts of purposes. Am I to believe that all of those people, pilots, sea captains, explorers, soldiers, rescue workers, engineers, etc. we're all a bunch of fools for using lighting with no photometric testing, and imagined their results? Would I tell them that their lights don't work because they never produced photometric results to back up their claims that they were able to see where they were going/what they were searching for? Am I going to start tearing through history books calling Paul Revere a fraud because no photometric testing ever backed up that anyone could see his lanterns? No, that would be ridiculous.
Modern scientific testing is a very good thing, but seriously? It's not required to figure out if you can see something or not. There was a world before it.
